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Well, folks are already disregarding the concrete bollards they're installing and walking through the landscaping to cross at no designated crosswalk at all.  Good job city with these safety improvements. 

 

Anyone who's ever been to a college campus had to know that was going to happen....

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A few pictures from today....


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Deplorable!  The terrorist's won IMHO.  Mayor Jackson's paranoia led to all these aesthetic choices.  The centralized crosswalk is a joke. KeyBank should ask for their name to be removed from the promenade sponsorship since it has been destroyed.  Cleveland looks as if it is the next big terrorist target.  Goodbye Public Square.

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Anyone who's ever been to a college campus had to know that was going to happen....

 

At the University of Toledo, they weren't sure where to put the concrete paths through their quad.  So they waited till it snowed and went by the footprints.  In other words, they studied and prioritized the needs of the people they were doing it for.

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Check out this video and watch how many people go around the new implemented K-Rail system blocking the KeyBank Promenade crosswalks. Instead of going towards the new centralized crosswalk they walk around the further outer ends of the K-Rail. Great planning by Cleveland's Traffic Engineers and RTA.  Love that they now have banned bicycles from Superior Ave going through Public Square

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/last-minute-changes-mark-public-square-reopening/419607178

 

 

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WTF is the city doing?  I swear they could screw up a one car parade.

 

This is the same Mayor Jackson that said they hadn't talked at all about a Cavs parade even the day before Game 7 because "we don't jinx." Guess he's just not the plan ahead type.

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WTF is the city doing?  I swear they could screw up a one car parade.

 

This is the same Mayor Jackson that said they hadn't talked at all about a Cavs parade even the day before Game 7 because "we don't jinx." Guess he's just not the plan ahead type.

 

And now he's implementing these half-assed "security" features to save face and cover the REAL reasons he was trying to keep buses off the square. 

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Thanks for the insightful photos. I hope you don't mind that I have used one of your pics to demonstrate the newest hazards created by The City and RTA.  The funneling of pedestrians to the center crosswalk from the southeast Keybank Promenade ramp is blocked once you get to the area where the K-rail meets the additional temporary ADA ramp.  The path is too narrow for any safety standard.  Also just look at the numerous unmarked height trip conditions.  This includes the temporary ADA ramp's raised sides. 

 

 

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Actually that photo was taken by PD reporter Ginger Christ. Mind if I forward your adapted photo her?


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Remember this when it's time to vote the mayor out of office.

 

Careful. Jackson is the lesser of six evils.

 

Maybe at one time, but these days he's got them trounced in complacency and hubris.  The question becomes whether we're even able to remove a bad mayor.

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He has blundered repeatedly with this public square foolishness, and it's looking like a total waste of money at this point. But compared to criminals like Reed and Johnson, he is still far and away the most qualified and frankly the most moral candidate so far.

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Here is an aerial photograph that shows the new crossing layout and adjustments made to Public Square .

 

Does anyone know the reason for all the circular concrete planters placed along the KeyBank Promenade pathways  and the western and eastern sidewalk ends of Superior Avenue?  I hadn't seen a mention of these safety concerns. It is also interesting to see the layout of he temporary ADA ramps through the center crosswalk. The person with a disability will have to weave through others to get to the opposite ramp. Another example of an inappropriate safety layout.

 

Also note the throngs of people using the park!  :wink:

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Here is an aerial photograph that shows the new crossing layout and adjustments made to Public Square .

 

Does anyone know the reason for all the circular concrete planters placed along the KeyBank Promenade pathways  and the western and eastern sidewalk ends of Superior Avenue?  I hadn't seen a mention of these safety concerns. It is also interesting to see the layout of he temporary ADA ramps through the center crosswalk. The person with a disability will have to weave through others to get to the opposite ramp. Another example of an inappropriate safety layout.

 

Also note the throngs of people using the park!  :wink:

 

My guess is that they are intended to prevent vehicles (aka Jackson's terrorists) from driving thru the park along the path.

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^ That seems to be the case. But then why did the city leave those paths unprotected from the terrorists since the park opened in July (including during the RNC & Women's March)??

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Holy. F***ing. Sh*t.

 

Mayor Jackson, you deserve to be run out of town on one of those ****ing K-rails.

 

 

I trust someone at the PD will be able to reach James Corner for comment on this atrocity?  I doubt he'll feel free to speak his mind but I wish he would.

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RTA responded to an email and said The City of Cleveland s responsible for The K-Rails, new center crosswalk, and ADA ramps.  They had nothing to do with the design. Interesting since Mayor Jackson has blamed them for all the safety design flaws  during his entire debate.

 

 

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GCRTA tweeted this morning in response to a question that this is a temporary solution. I'd say it's on us to keep pressure on the city to ensure they provide a plan to a better long term solution

 

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GCRTA tweeted this morning in response to a question that this is a temporary solution. I'd say it's on us to keep pressure on the city to ensure they provide a plan to a better long term solution

 

 

I would hope that the permanent solution is the original one. Once there are no issues, maybe they'll realize a mountain was made out of a molehill, and they can return the square to the original design intent.

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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RTA and the City are about to turn what was a beautiful, celebrated, people-centered public (front-door) park redo into a mess.

 

This fiasco is an example why a large segment of voters is in perpetual knee-jerk opposition to spending tax dollars on the public good.

 

I'm not saying you should join in their complete negativity, not at all. But in your frustration you can at least now understand where they're coming from.

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And yet it comes from a few very wealthy corporate executives twisting the arms of politicians to get them to implement their narrow, privileged views of how cities should be designed and for whom.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Buses were running smoothly today, and RTA riders, the thousands of them who go to Public Square every day, were happy.

 

Westbound during the PM rush was a party downtown. The lack of congestion, omnipresent for the past two years, was a sight for sore eyes.

 

RTA riders remain the most consistent user of Public Square. That's what the last seven months taught.

 

However, I guarantee that St Pattys Day the square will be closed, which will be neat. Per the plan all along. Weekends, get a special event permit and close it.

 

On work days, however, buses will be given the right of way: they should. Workers need to get to jobs. People down the lines need to make connections that categorically depend on timing. Seniors got to get to the doctor's.

 

Public Square is the transit hub. That's how the city is laid out, and it's not a bad thing.

 

Re-routing buses around the square was a safety hazard. One million more left turns is no joke. Unilaterally making that decision was not a shining moment for Cleveland democracy. Indeed, in contrast to its original design and avoiding any public comment or public planning process, that's how the decision to shut down Superior was made.

 

Today the RTA isn't out the $12 million the FTA wanted. Considering that amounts to 5% of RTA's annual budget, that's a big deal.

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Buses were running smoothly today, and RTA riders, the thousands of them who go to Public Square every day, were happy.

 

Westbound during the PM rush was a party downtown. The lack of congestion, omnipresent for the past two years, was a sight for sore eyes.

 

RTA riders remain the most consistent user of Public Square. That's what the last seven months taught.

 

However, I guarantee that St Pattys Day the square will be closed, which will be neat. Per the plan all along. Weekends, get a special event permit and close it.

 

On work days, however, buses will be given the right of way: they should. Workers need to get to jobs. People down the lines need to make connections that categorically depend on timing. Seniors got to get to the doctor's.

 

Public Square is the transit hub. That's how the city is laid out, and it's not a bad thing.

 

Re-routing buses around the square was a safety hazard. One million more left turns is no joke. Unilaterally making that decision was not a shining moment for Cleveland democracy. Indeed, in contrast to its original design and avoiding any public comment or public planning process, that's how the decision to shut down Superior was made.

 

Today the RTA isn't out the $12 million the FTA wanted. Considering that amounts to 5% of RTA's annual budget, that's a big deal.

 

In good weather, the Square was always crowded. Notably, with small children.

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Buses were running smoothly today, and RTA riders, the thousands of them who go to Public Square every day, were happy.

 

Westbound during the PM rush was a party downtown. The lack of congestion, omnipresent for the past two years, was a sight for sore eyes.

 

RTA riders remain the most consistent user of Public Square. That's what the last seven months taught.

 

However, I guarantee that St Pattys Day the square will be closed, which will be neat. Per the plan all along. Weekends, get a special event permit and close it.

 

On work days, however, buses will be given the right of way: they should. Workers need to get to jobs. People down the lines need to make connections that categorically depend on timing. Seniors got to get to the doctor's.

 

Public Square is the transit hub. That's how the city is laid out, and it's not a bad thing.

 

Re-routing buses around the square was a safety hazard. One million more left turns is no joke. Unilaterally making that decision was not a shining moment for Cleveland democracy. Indeed, in contrast to its original design and avoiding any public comment or public planning process, that's how the decision to shut down Superior was made.

 

Today the RTA isn't out the $12 million the FTA wanted. Considering that amounts to 5% of RTA's annual budget, that's a big deal.

 

In good weather, the Square was always crowded. Notably, with small children.

 

What does small children have to do with it? If proximity to small children is the standard for amending bus routes there's no point in having busses at all. Parents need to parent.

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Indeed. You cannot get to Public Square itself without crossing a street. Every bus that now goes through Superior had been diverted to the street that every small child has to cross to get to the splash pool or the lawn.

 

What's a travesty is that the Square's design has been mangled by the new so-called safety precautions.  Both visually and functionally, it is a disaster.  The square was designed to have (1) a busway on Superior at least 5 days a week, and (2) TWO pedestrian crossings of that busway along the "promenade".  Putting the chosen path of the pedestrian walk aside for a moment, was that 2-crossing design flawed from a safety perspective from the start?  If so, how did it pass review?  Why has there been no comment sought from the designer?  No one's saying "What was Corner thinking with this promenade crossing a busy busway twice with absolutely no street markings?"  At what point did the powers that be decide that they'd try to get away with never opening Superior?  Bus shelters were erected but as I recall from my time there, there are absolutely no signals installed for pedestrians to cross via the "promenade".  Who missed that? How were all these concerns ignored?  That is not corporate interests twisting the arms of hapless politicians. That's incompetence from incompetents.

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