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Today's vote was 6-2 against proposed development.  With councilman against project I don't see what they can do to move it forward (and make economic sense...they already compromised significantly).

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1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

Today's vote was 6-2 against proposed development.  With councilman against project I don't see what they can do to move it forward (and make economic sense...they already compromised significantly).

 

I will never understand the anti-development sentiment in a declining region.  It is self defeating. 

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City should attach a disclaimer to each development - this project will (eventually) increase the tax receipts for the city, lowering your future tax burden.  

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I don't know how Geis gets LaCollina through Landmarks and this does not even come close.  The only real difference is that La Collina is on a more commercial street.

 

You could argue that this is an even a more beneficial project than LaCollina.  It includes the total renovation of two buildings on Murrary Hill (both of which really need it) and the tear down of two nondescript houses on Cornell which have been bastardized over the years and includes hidden away parking for residents so it should not contribute to parking problems.

 

I am really not a conspiracy type but could it be the owners of the LaCollina land were more connected and could more easily throw their weight around?  I feel sorry for the guy who wanted to sell his house for the project.  He was probably going to get a sweet heart deal from the developers.

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I'm wary of people fighting against new development when they own rental property in the neighborhood.

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I would've attended if I wasn't in NYC this week....

 

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25 minutes ago, KJP said:

I would've attended if I wasn't in NYC this week....

 

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They don't want more investment in the area at this time but if the neighborhood goes untouched and neglected they will complain their ass off. I hate the residents in this neighborhood (not all). 

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Honestly, I don't understand why these developers are so dense. Just give them what they want!  Put some Roman columns out front, make all the windows arches and throw in a statute of a naked woman pouring water out of a vase.

 

Done!

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What's additionally sad was the renovation work being offered up as well, for these three properties, as part of this project. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Terdolph said:

Honestly, I don't understand why these developers are so dense. Just give them what they want!  Put some Roman columns out front, make all the windows arches and throw in a statute of a naked woman pouring water out of a vase.

 

Done!

They will only be happy with for sale housing.  Rentals are for minorities and poor people. 

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really is time for some new political blood in Cleveland....   maybe a urban Ohio economic development mayorial debate...

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39 minutes ago, lockdog said:

really is time for some new political blood in Cleveland....   maybe a urban Ohio economic development mayorial debate...

 

Related, this is yet another reason why Cleveland’s ward based City Council is terrible.

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^what would you recommend instead---a council based wholly/partially on at-large seats?

 

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2 hours ago, Pugu said:

^what would you recommend instead---a council based wholly/partially on at-large seats?

 

 

Potentially, that’s one solution definitely. I also think it could be possible to keep council-people elected by ward, but the “rules and norms” would have to be wholly changed.

 

Cleveland’s issue is the fiefdom style in which the wards are run. Development, businesses, capital projects....nothing can be done without their sign-off or approval. I am a City of Cleveland resident, and this development affects me too...albeit not as directly as those in the neighborhood, but expanding the city’s population and tax base is in my interest. A project should not be able to be blocked single handedly by one person. 

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I was driving down Mayfield yesterday and, while I was only able to get a quick peek, I think the new condo building on
Random turned out way better than I imagined.  Need to go back and look at it in more detail.

 

On the negative side the retail space in Centric is SCREAMING for tenants.

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I'm not usually one to yell "OMG that's so out of scale with the neighborhood" but the upper floors of that first building just look... wrong. Which is a shame, because the lower half looks pretty decent.

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11 hours ago, BigDipper 80 said:

I'm not usually one to yell "OMG that's so out of scale with the neighborhood" but the upper floors of that first building just look... wrong. Which is a shame, because the lower half looks pretty decent.

The scale or the quality? The top looks like stuff that was built in the 90's when higher prices weren't justified.

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5 hours ago, jjames0408 said:

The scale or the quality? The top looks like stuff that was built in the 90's when higher prices weren't justified.

 

The first 3 floors have really nice architectural detail. They really should have carried the brick, and bay windows up all 5 floors. 

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I agree the siding on the upper floors of La Collina is a design issue.  It does seem to cheapen the look (in a pretty expensive building in terms of rent).  I do like that they tried to break up the north elevation rather than having one massive wall (but I thinking maybe even that could have been done better).

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41 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I agree the siding on the upper floors of La Collina is a design issue.  It does seem to cheapen the look (in a pretty expensive building in terms of rent).  I do like that they tried to break up the north elevation rather than having one massive wall (but I thinking maybe even that could have been done better).

 

When I saw this upper level siding I actually thought it blended well with the LI neighborhood, where many owners chose to clad their early century homes in tacky aluminum siding and awnings!   

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It also blends in well with the sky, sorta like camouflage.

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Are there any plans for E. 119th St/the parking lot there? Seems like it could be a good place for a community parking garage with apartments above it?

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40 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Just posting to give an idea of the stature that the building has next to the train station.

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Imagine what they could have done if the parking lot owner was willing to sell and/or otherwise work with them. 

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15 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Imagine what they could have done if the parking lot owner was willing to sell and/or otherwise work with them. 

 

Could have had a nice retail space on Mayfield next to the station. That would have been a great spot for a little coffee shop.

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The Feast of the Assumption started today so I took a few pics. La Collina really does a great job filling in Mayfield and making it more walkable (just needs some retail finally), and I'm excited for Mayfield Station to do the same when it's completed. And then Quattro just always makes me jealous of the people who get to live there.IMG_20190815_123318373_HDR.thumb.jpg.1a5dd0dd606c639c736d286bba13efd8.jpgIMG_20190815_123915774_HDR.thumb.jpg.b27a61ec20db34a640562315f1538e3f.jpgIMG_20190815_124138825_HDR.thumb.jpg.6dc443b1ad69e8cd79522c4d2b30715c.jpg

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Looks like a shorter Washington Inn development is back before Landmark.  Hopefully they got together with neighborhood NIMBY's and/or officials who were objecting to the first concept and this will go through quickly.

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/08222019/index.php

 

CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS

Case 19-038: Little Italy Historic District (Case 19-012 Disapproved 5-9-19)
Washington Inn Housing 2189-93 Cornell Road
Demolition and New Apartment Building Construction
Ward 6: Griffin
Project Representatives: Michael Panzica, Hemingway Development; Dominic Durante, Jeff Evans, LDA Architects

 

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I had assumed the shabby parking garage on Random would be beautified as the garage for the tenants of Quattro,  but now I see the new tenants have been moving into these luxury apartments, and there's still ugliness right next door.  Admittedly, I haven't been following this particular forum for a while; are there plans for the monstrosity next Door? 

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For those keeping score, Washington Place went from 4 floors with 60 units, to 4/3 floors with 50 units, to 3 floors with 44 units. Plus the first floor garage was sunken deeper so the overall height went from 54 to 40 feet.

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Beautiful design (as was the last), but I'm interested to hear what the neighborhood finds not to like about it now. Not keeping in neighborhood character by having too many windows and not enough vinyl siding?

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1 hour ago, PoshSteve said:

Beautiful design (as was the last), but I'm interested to hear what the neighborhood finds not to like about it now. Not keeping in neighborhood character by having too many windows and not enough vinyl siding?

Not enough Roman columns and no statues of naked ladies pouring water.

 

Moreover, where are the arches?

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Litt's article had a rendering that wasn't in the landmark agenda posted upthread. So many breaks in the facade.

 

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It's nice, but I don't see how it fits into the neighborhood at all.

 

La Collina does a much better job.

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I'm glad this is moving forward for the density it brings, but I hope it looks better in real life than it does in the renderings.  Seems pretty blah...

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Again, what's the story with the ugly parking garage (which was obviously built for something else) next to the new luxury apartments on Random Road?  I had assumed it would be renovated to go with the apartments, but I now see it is not part project and really distracts.

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