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Why doesn't the city just rezone the land?  Wouldn't that negate the lawsuit from a neighboring property owner since the city has the right to control its zoning?

 

I was thinking the same thing. Cleveland has been actively looking to rezone certain areas for denser residential/mixed use construction. The vast majority of rezoning is from semi and regular industry to multi-family to block potential industrial use where they don't want it, like along the towpath in Tremont and Flats. This fits that mold quite well, to encourage dense multi-family along a major transit corridor.

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If a property owner believes that a development will decrease his property values, is there really something wrong with using all avaliable legal means to prevent it?

 

Belief is a long way from evidence. When belief wins in the absence of evidence (either way), I have a teeny problem with that.

 

It wasn't merely "belief" though.  He had legal grounds. 

 

Belief in an adverse outcome is certainly sufficient to take action to prevent it.  On a macro level, that's called "politics".

 

If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to expect them to take action to impact their immediate surroundings.

 

Good grief. If we want wealthy people to live in the city, we have to let developers build places for them to live. This guy may be in his legal right to file nuisance suits, but he's an a-hole for doing so.

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Website is up for La Collina: http://lascolinas.resident360.com/amenities/

 

That website drives me nuts, but it's pretty par for the course with apartment websites these days: stock pictures of pretty people laughing and drinking coffee and hanging out.  Pictures that have nothing to do with the development except sell the illusion that, yes, you too can be like these people if only you rent here. 

 

Give me pictures of the actual building any day!

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"Quattro" condos going up quickly:

 

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With "Centric" looming in the background:

 

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Foundation and infrastructure being done in the hole of the future "La Collina:"

 

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La Collina apartments on Mayfield

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Quattro condominiums next to Tony Brush Park

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I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic"

 

I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else."

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I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic"

 

I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else."

 

Which development? La Collina or Quattro (or both)?

 

Some neighborhoods do get loved to death. I would love to live in Little Italy but my chance of getting into a sub-$200,000 home of good quality has likely passed me by. But the community can ensure that the new developments that come to the neighborhood offer the unique kinds of designs and goods/services/foods that the neighborhood is famous for, just more of it to serve a growing population.

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I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic"

 

I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else."

 

A large number of Little Italy locals do not like any new construction / change / outsiders.  Tremendous push back always occurs when anything new is proposed.  I remember when Mayfield Lofts was proposed, I was hit up multiple times to sign a petition against it.  Not saying that's the reason it hasn't been built, but I'm sure it played a factor.  Personally, I was absolutely shocked the Little Italy train station was built with the majority of the long-timers were against it.

 

Regardless of La Collina being built, the neighborhood is not going to remain stuck in the 1920's, 1950's, 1970's...or whatever year they want it to be.

 

Even the existence of TOLI where that gentlemen was drinking broke away from the norm, bringing a craft beer option into the neighborhood.

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I was having a drink at Toli last Thursday when I heard a local refer to that construction as "as good for the neighborhood as an abortion clinic"

 

I engaged him and asked why, and he said "because pretty soon this neighborhood won't be any different from anywhere else."

 

So this guys preference is piss poor working class architecture that has been horribly modified, divided and poorly maintain for decades, which is basically the majority of Little Italy. 

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Two developments in Little Italy....

 

La Collina apartments/retail going vertical on Mayfield

 

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Quattro condos next to Tony Brush Park

 

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I guess the apartment building on that small lot next the Rapid station hasn't started yet?

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I guess the apartment building on that small lot next the Rapid station hasn't started yet?

 

No sign of it yet

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I guess the apartment building on that small lot next the Rapid station hasn't started yet?

 

No sign of it yet

 

The last thing that I could find was that they won approval about a year ago?

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La Collina development. I didn't know until yesterday that La Collina is Italian for "The Hill." It is now rising up out of the ground and has the beginnings of a street presence....

 

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Looks like Quattro has topped out. This is how it looks from Mayfield, across Tony Brush park....

 

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You have to give Geis credit-that La Collina site has to be a nightmare to develop.  Pinned in on three sides and located on a narrow and always busy Mayfield Road.  I am sure construct costs have to be higher than normal which would have turned off many a developer (but also probably reflected in the higher rents noted on the buildings website).  Also, keeping the neighbors and the neighborhood association happy probably takes a fair amount of finesse.  Certainly not the same as building on a former farm field in Avon.

 

 

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You have to give Geis credit-that La Collina site has to be a nightmare to develop.  Pinned in on three sides and located on a narrow and always busy Mayfield Road.  I am sure construct costs have to be higher than normal which would have turned off many a developer (but also probably reflected in the higher rents noted on the buildings website).  Also, keeping the neighbors and the neighborhood association happy probably takes a fair amount of finesse.  Certainly not the same as building on a former farm field in Avon.

 

 

 

The Geis Companies aren't involved in that project outside of property management. Pride One is the GC on that site and they are also doing Quattro. Either way that tight sight with limited access and no laydown area is as probably as hard a site to manage as it gets.

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Someone help me with my (non-existent) Italian--is the double L in "La Collina" pronounced "ee" al a Espanol?  (Hey, if you're going to mix your romance languages, you might as well, you know, MIX them).

 

Also, is there any hope that the old Mayfield theater next door finally gets a worthy redevelopment nod?  I've given up hoping it can be repurposed as a theater like the Capitol but can't it at least be reused while maintaining the marquee (like the Centrum up the hill)?

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Yeah, Italian letter sounds are overall pretty similar to English, moreso than Spanish and French. The double consonant just signifies a bit more emphasis on that syllable than the rest of the word. Also, pronounce the "i" in "Collina" like an English "ee" (you probably knew that one already).

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I also note that XYZ Development is "teasing" on it's website its long delayed Via126 condo project on the former Primo Vino site across the street.  While it has been a long time to finally come to fruition (I may not recall correctly but they might not have been the original developer when this project was first announced) I'm  wondering if recently they are just waiting for the completion of the Mayfield Rd paving and are allowing La Collina to progress to a point where construction vehicles are not competing for scare space.

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?Transportation Alert: The Mayfield Road resurfacing project between E.  126th St. and Euclid Ave. has been completed! Traffic is now open in both directions and street parking and valet are in their normal locations.

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I guess the apartment building on that small lot next the Rapid station hasn't started yet?

I drove y this lot today......they are clearing trees out of it

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I guess the apartment building on that small lot next the Rapid station hasn't started yet?

I drove y this lot today......they are clearing trees out of it

No Indiana bat restrictions because of urban area?

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If someone posts a photo here of the construction/clearing work and with the Little Italy station also visible, I will post it on All Aboard Ohio's Twitter account with a credit and a news blurb about it.

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When you want to get something done, sometimes ya gotta do it yourself (plus a few extra pics)....

 

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Welp, no further land clearing has occurred since I took the pictures posted above. Please don't tell me that a restraining order has been filed.

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^Actually there was a lawsuit requesting a TRO filed by CEI.  However the suit was filed in February of this year and was just settled and dismissed in July (which probably prompted  the recent land clearing).  It involved CEI poles and wires on the property.  Maybe they ran into problems with them again as the clearing commenced.  I just happened to drive up Mayfield today and noticed the same thing.  No action since the pics you took last week.

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Does anybody know if the lot clearing for the Perotti project has re-commenced and if not what the problem is?

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I passed through Little Italy on Friday and saw no progress. I checked the county court dockets but found nothing active, including against the new property owner, Mayfield Station LLC. It purchased the property from the trust of Constance Perotti on June 14, 2018. The Perotti's had owned the property since 1999.

 

EDIT: I just found this on Dimit's website, posted yesterday. Looks like they cleared it just enough to do a groundbreaking ceremony. We'll find out soon...

 

http://www.dimitarchitects.com/mayfield-station-groundbreaking/

 

Mayfield Station Groundbreaking

On July 31st 2018, Perotti Co. hosted a groundbreaking for the Mayfield Station apartment project in Cleveland’s Little Italy neighborhood. Speakers included Tim Perotti and Cleveland City Councilman Blaine Griffin.

 

Mayfield Station will be a five-story, 40-unit transit-oriented apartment complex near Case Western University and the Uptown District. The development will increase the residential density of the neighborhood while minimizing the need for parking due to close proximity to a Greater Cleveland RTA Rapid Transit station.

 

Read more about Mayfield Station

http://www.dimitarchitects.com/mayfield-station/

 

More pics at the links above....

 

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KJP you are like a fountain of information  8)

 

Nah, I'm just good at finding sh!t.

 

Even with the ground breaking I imagine nothing will happen until the Feast is over.

 

I think that's a very reasonable assumption. They may clear more vegetation between now and then. But I am confused why they didn't clear more for the groundbreaking. It's not that big of a lot.

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I'm very pleased, because some people in the enormous crowd expected for the Feast will notice still another project is started in Little Italy.  A good sign would help, too, so everyone can see it until completion.

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^^^^So are we just not going to acknowledge the A+ sport coat game in that bottom pic?

 

I'm in no position to comment on other people's fashion sense.

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