KJP Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Pages 21-23 from WASHINGTON INN PRESENTATION DRAFT - 04.24.2019 http://freepdfhosting.com/4bd57d7002.pdf 3 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) Reminder about tonight's meeting. Please be there and please speak in support of this development. The basic message is that Greater Cleveland finally has market forces to stem the tide of urban outmigration but some people within the block clubs are resisting change from the status quo and are stemming the tide. The Washington Inn project has been scaled down to the bare bones of what the developer can reasonably achieve a worthwhile return. The public open house is Monday, May 6 from 6pm-7:30pm in the basement of Holy Rosary Church.Please attend the meeting and speak up in support of the project. Thanks!! Edited May 6, 2019 by KJP 3 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbaris87 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 KJP, Thanks again for your help in assisting with this. Really appreciate it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Unfortunately I couldn't go last night. Did anyone else attend? How'd it go? “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendo Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) The project is also scheduled to go back to city landmarks on Thursday. There is an updated site plan with tweaked renderings. It shows the northern section behind the houses to be renovated is now 3 stories, not 4. The part fronting Cornell looks unchanged. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/05092019/index.php Edited May 8, 2019 by Mendo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Please attend the Landmarks commission tomorrow. The Washington Inn project will be first on the agenda at 9am. Voices of support are needed. 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRrAy HiLL Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Little Italy apartment proposal sparks residents’ opposition, saying ‘respect the neighborhood’ Updated 8:16 AM; Today 8:07 AM By Jordyn Grzelewski, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio – A proposed Little Italy apartment project is going before the Cleveland Landmarks Commission on Thursday. The plan, however, is not without opposition from neighbors. Developers want to tear down two houses on Cornell Road to make way for an apartment building at Cornell and Murray Hill roads. The plan has evolved over the past several months as neighborhood residents raised concerns. Based on that feedback, developers tweaked their plans, scaling the project back from an initial proposal of 66 units to 50, and reducing the height of the building. Even with those changes, however, a neighborhood design-review committee that advises the city’s planning and landmarks commissions rejected the design at a meeting Tuesday, and some neighborhood residents say they are still dissatisfied. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/05/little-italy-apartment-proposal-sparks-residents-opposition-saying-respect-the-neighborhood.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefourur Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 NIMBYs gonna NIMBY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Today's vote was 6-2 against proposed development. With councilman against project I don't see what they can do to move it forward (and make economic sense...they already compromised significantly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefourur Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Htsguy said: Today's vote was 6-2 against proposed development. With councilman against project I don't see what they can do to move it forward (and make economic sense...they already compromised significantly). I will never understand the anti-development sentiment in a declining region. It is self defeating. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMB Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 City should attach a disclaimer to each development - this project will (eventually) increase the tax receipts for the city, lowering your future tax burden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I don't know how Geis gets LaCollina through Landmarks and this does not even come close. The only real difference is that La Collina is on a more commercial street. You could argue that this is an even a more beneficial project than LaCollina. It includes the total renovation of two buildings on Murrary Hill (both of which really need it) and the tear down of two nondescript houses on Cornell which have been bastardized over the years and includes hidden away parking for residents so it should not contribute to parking problems. I am really not a conspiracy type but could it be the owners of the LaCollina land were more connected and could more easily throw their weight around? I feel sorry for the guy who wanted to sell his house for the project. He was probably going to get a sweet heart deal from the developers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendo Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I'm wary of people fighting against new development when they own rental property in the neighborhood. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) I would've attended if I wasn't in NYC this week.... And Edited May 10, 2019 by KJP 2 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPhoneDead Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, KJP said: I would've attended if I wasn't in NYC this week.... And They don't want more investment in the area at this time but if the neighborhood goes untouched and neglected they will complain their ass off. I hate the residents in this neighborhood (not all). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRrAy HiLL Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) What's additionally sad was the renovation work being offered up as well, for these three properties, as part of this project. Edited May 10, 2019 by MuRrAy HiLL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefourur Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Terdolph said: Honestly, I don't understand why these developers are so dense. Just give them what they want! Put some Roman columns out front, make all the windows arches and throw in a statute of a naked woman pouring water out of a vase. Done! They will only be happy with for sale housing. Rentals are for minorities and poor people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdog Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) really is time for some new political blood in Cleveland.... maybe a urban Ohio economic development mayorial debate... Edited May 10, 2019 by lockdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enginerd Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, lockdog said: really is time for some new political blood in Cleveland.... maybe a urban Ohio economic development mayorial debate... Related, this is yet another reason why Cleveland’s ward based City Council is terrible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 ^what would you recommend instead---a council based wholly/partially on at-large seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enginerd Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pugu said: ^what would you recommend instead---a council based wholly/partially on at-large seats? Potentially, that’s one solution definitely. I also think it could be possible to keep council-people elected by ward, but the “rules and norms” would have to be wholly changed. Cleveland’s issue is the fiefdom style in which the wards are run. Development, businesses, capital projects....nothing can be done without their sign-off or approval. I am a City of Cleveland resident, and this development affects me too...albeit not as directly as those in the neighborhood, but expanding the city’s population and tax base is in my interest. A project should not be able to be blocked single handedly by one person. Edited May 10, 2019 by Enginerd 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I was driving down Mayfield yesterday and, while I was only able to get a quick peek, I think the new condo building on Random turned out way better than I imagined. Need to go back and look at it in more detail. On the negative side the retail space in Centric is SCREAMING for tenants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleveland Trust Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Little Italy construction progress. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDipper 80 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I'm not usually one to yell "OMG that's so out of scale with the neighborhood" but the upper floors of that first building just look... wrong. Which is a shame, because the lower half looks pretty decent. 2 “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjames0408 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, BigDipper 80 said: I'm not usually one to yell "OMG that's so out of scale with the neighborhood" but the upper floors of that first building just look... wrong. Which is a shame, because the lower half looks pretty decent. The scale or the quality? The top looks like stuff that was built in the 90's when higher prices weren't justified. Edited June 7, 2019 by jjames0408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imjustinjk Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, jjames0408 said: The scale or the quality? The top looks like stuff that was built in the 90's when higher prices weren't justified. The first 3 floors have really nice architectural detail. They really should have carried the brick, and bay windows up all 5 floors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) I agree the siding on the upper floors of La Collina is a design issue. It does seem to cheapen the look (in a pretty expensive building in terms of rent). I do like that they tried to break up the north elevation rather than having one massive wall (but I thinking maybe even that could have been done better). Edited June 7, 2019 by Htsguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleburger Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 41 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I agree the siding on the upper floors of La Collina is a design issue. It does seem to cheapen the look (in a pretty expensive building in terms of rent). I do like that they tried to break up the north elevation rather than having one massive wall (but I thinking maybe even that could have been done better). When I saw this upper level siding I actually thought it blended well with the LI neighborhood, where many owners chose to clad their early century homes in tacky aluminum siding and awnings! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 It also blends in well with the sky, sorta like camouflage. 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 7 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w28th Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Preach on KJP... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imjustinjk Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Are there any plans for E. 119th St/the parking lot there? Seems like it could be a good place for a community parking garage with apartments above it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPhoneDead Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Just posting to give an idea of the stature that the building has next to the train station. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomerang_Brian Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Just posting to give an idea of the stature that the building has next to the train station. Imagine what they could have done if the parking lot owner was willing to sell and/or otherwise work with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Imagine what they could have done if the parking lot owner was willing to sell and/or otherwise work with them. Could have had a nice retail space on Mayfield next to the station. That would have been a great spot for a little coffee shop. 3 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tykaps Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) The Feast of the Assumption started today so I took a few pics. La Collina really does a great job filling in Mayfield and making it more walkable (just needs some retail finally), and I'm excited for Mayfield Station to do the same when it's completed. And then Quattro just always makes me jealous of the people who get to live there. Edited October 27, 2020 by tykaps 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Looks like a shorter Washington Inn development is back before Landmark. Hopefully they got together with neighborhood NIMBY's and/or officials who were objecting to the first concept and this will go through quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/landmark/agenda/2019/08222019/index.php CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS Case 19-038: Little Italy Historic District (Case 19-012 Disapproved 5-9-19) Washington Inn Housing 2189-93 Cornell Road Demolition and New Apartment Building Construction Ward 6: Griffin Project Representatives: Michael Panzica, Hemingway Development; Dominic Durante, Jeff Evans, LDA Architects 2 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lafont Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) I had assumed the shabby parking garage on Random would be beautified as the garage for the tenants of Quattro, but now I see the new tenants have been moving into these luxury apartments, and there's still ugliness right next door. Admittedly, I haven't been following this particular forum for a while; are there plans for the monstrosity next Door? Edited August 21, 2019 by lafont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 For those keeping score, Washington Place went from 4 floors with 60 units, to 4/3 floors with 50 units, to 3 floors with 44 units. Plus the first floor garage was sunken deeper so the overall height went from 54 to 40 feet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshSteve Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Beautiful design (as was the last), but I'm interested to hear what the neighborhood finds not to like about it now. Not keeping in neighborhood character by having too many windows and not enough vinyl siding? 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle_guy90 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 And the project (Washington Inn) was finally approved! https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/controversial-little-italy-apartment-project-approved-by-landmarks-commission.html 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Litt's article had a rendering that wasn't in the landmark agenda posted upthread. So many breaks in the facade. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potamus Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I'm glad this is moving forward for the density it brings, but I hope it looks better in real life than it does in the renderings. Seems pretty blah... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lafont Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Again, what's the story with the ugly parking garage (which was obviously built for something else) next to the new luxury apartments on Random Road? I had assumed it would be renovated to go with the apartments, but I now see it is not part project and really distracts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potamus Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 IIRC they use it for the shared valet parking that they offer. I agree that's it's pretty apocalyptic-looking especially compared to the new building next door. I don't know if there are any plans for it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 6/6/2019 at 1:17 PM, Cleveland Trust said: Little Italy construction progress. What's the name of the project in the 2nd and 4th photo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: What's the name of the project in the 2nd and 4th photo? Quattro condos https://quattrocondos.com/ 1 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Thanks KJP. I love it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty15 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 1:28 PM, lafont said: Again, what's the story with the ugly parking garage (which was obviously built for something else) next to the new luxury apartments on Random Road? I had assumed it would be renovated to go with the apartments, but I now see it is not part project and really distracts. I wouldn’t expect any improvement. What’s the incentive for the building owner? Parking is a premium over there, and it’s covered. I’m sure he’s already getting top dollar for those spaces. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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