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Florida's Deadly Hit-and-Run Car Culture

By Tim Padgett, Miami Sunday, Nov. 29, 2009

 

Ashley Nicole Valdes was a smart, pretty 11-year-old girl who often cared for her younger, mentally disabled sister while their single mother studied to be a paramedic. In January, while crossing the street to get to her home west of Miami, Ashley was struck and killed by a hit-and-run driver in a pickup truck — and became a heart-wrenching symbol of South Florida's notoriously reckless car culture. "You see all these people getting run over and you ask yourself: What's happened to us as people here?" says Ashley's mother, Adonay Risete. "We need to get tougher and change attitudes."

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^In South Florida this is just as much a problem of of fast, reckless Caribbean driving habits and a general lack of community identity of any kind, as it is a problem of transportation policy.

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego.  Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

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^New York, yes. But nothing else I've ever seen in matches the Florida peninsula. I got so used to the driving culture of Florida that when I came back to Cincinnati, I was astonished at the difference.

 

 

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^New York, yes. But nothing else I've ever seen in matches the Florida peninsula. I got so used to the driving culture of Florida that when I came back to Cincinnati, I was astonished at the difference.

 

Atlanta is hands down the worst.

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We're talking about the mentality of drivers, not congestion. Atlanta ranks among the most courteous of drivers according to studies. When I lived in Atlanta one summer I was surprised at how friendly drivers were. They would wave at you all the time even if they didn't know you. Miami is ALWAYS considered the road rage capital. Ask any truck driver. It's not about people talking on their cell phone or beeping their horn. People in Miami love to switch lanes without notice and cut in front of you.

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We're talking about the mentality of drivers, not congestion. Atlanta ranks among the most courteous of drivers according to studies. When I lived in Atlanta one summer I was surprised at how friendly drivers were. They would wave at you all the time even if they didn't know you. Miami is ALWAYS considered the road rage capital. Ask any truck driver. It's not about people talking on their cell phone or beeping their horn. People in Miami love to switch lanes without notice and cut in front of you.

 

David so am I.  Courteous drivers?  In ATL?  Please!  Those chevy driving hick are the worst.  No you ask a truck driver. This is my experience.

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For what its worth, I've lived in 5 cities. Cincinnati, Columbus, Atlanta, Chicago and Orlando.

 

Orlando was by far the most aggressive, then Chicago, then a distant tie between Cincy, Columbus and Atlanta. Atlanta and Orlando had similar congestion patterns and very poor connectivity.

 

That's just my experience. I think many would agree, but everyone has a different perspective.

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Atlanta's drivers are some of the worst and rudest I've encountered, as are most sprawling cities.  I think it stems from frustration of having to drive so far everywhere and the horrible traffic.

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Atlanta's drivers are some of the worst and rudest I've encountered, as are most sprawling cities.  I think it stems from frustration of having to drive so far everywhere and the horrible traffic.

 

Bingo!

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I've only been a passenger in Atlanta, and maybe a dozen times, but I don't think their aggressiveness even comes close to that of LA drivers during rush hour or a rain storm (or the dreaded combination of BOTH).  It was terrifying driving there.  Nobody EVER lets you out if you're, say, waiting to pull out of a gas station and continue on down the road.  You just have to pull out with traffic coming at you full bore, and hope that they stop.  People do not signal when changing lanes, at best, you get the pointed hand coming out of the window AS they're changing, so you slam on the brakes and let them in.

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I've only been a passenger in Atlanta, and maybe a dozen times, but I don't think their aggressiveness even comes close to that of LA drivers during rush hour or a rain storm (or the dreaded combination of BOTH).  It was terrifying driving there.  Nobody EVER lets you out if you're, say, waiting to pull out of a gas station and continue on down the road.  You just have to pull out with traffic coming at you full bore, and hope that they stop.  People do not signal when changing lanes, at best, you get the pointed hand coming out of the window AS they're changing, so you slam on the brakes and let them in.

 

ATL/Houston/Dallas are like LA drivers in Rain.  They have no idea how to drive in snow.  Its really scary!

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Phoenix/Tempe. Its an absolute nightmare to drive or be a passenger in greater phoenix. You may be living life in a fantasy world in the middle of the dessert, but you need to wake up and face the real world when you get behind the wheel of an automobile.

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Phoenix/Tempe. Its an absolute nightmare to drive or be a passenger in greater phoenix. You may be living life in a fantasy world in the middle of the dessert, but you need to wake up and face the real world when you get behind the wheel of an automobile.

its all those old people driving around "God's waiting room - West" AKA Phoenix!

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego. Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

 

lol I'm ATL based and I couldn't agree more.  Now give me the BQE anyday...  I know what to expect there

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego.  Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

 

lol I'm ATL based and I couldn't agree more.  Now give me the BQE anyday...  I know what to expect there

 

You poor thing, you.

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego. Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

 

lol I'm ATL based and I couldn't agree more. Now give me the BQE anyday... I know what to expect there

 

You poor thing, you.

 

it cool baby...  i live in brooklyn

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego.  Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

 

lol I'm ATL based and I couldn't agree more.  Now give me the BQE anyday...  I know what to expect there

 

You poor thing, you.

 

it cool baby...  i live in brooklyn

 

OH OK. 

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People in Miami drive like maniacs. It's very much a cultural thing.

 

I dont find South Florida drivers any different from any city with sprawling highways. LA, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta (those hillbillies are by far the worst), The DC-Baltimore Beltway or San Diego. Metro NY and Philly in city drivers are just as bad.

 

lol I'm ATL based and I couldn't agree more. Now give me the BQE anyday... I know what to expect there

 

You poor thing, you.

 

it cool baby... i live in brooklyn

 

OH OK.

 

the nice thing about airline biz is that you don't have to live where you are based.  NY was my first crew base and I certainly wasn't going to leave it once I got there.

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I'm putting my vote in for Phoenix.  That city is terrifying to drive in.  MTS, I can agree that drivers are generally rude in Atlanta, but I never felt as unsafe there as I have in Miami and Phoenix (haven't been to LA).  I think the difference is that Atlanta's general lack of a street grid keeps people from reaching top speeds and running red lights at 70mph (something I saw alarmingly frequently in Phoenix). 

 

 

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I'm putting my vote in for Phoenix.  That city is terrifying to drive in.  MTS, I can agree that drivers are generally rude in Atlanta, but I never felt as unsafe there as I have in Miami and Phoenix (haven't been to LA).  I think the difference is that Atlanta's general lack of a street grid keeps people from reaching top speeds and running red lights at 70mph (something I saw alarmingly frequently in Phoenix). 

 

 

 

Unsafe in your surrounds or unsafe on the roads.  In South Florida -  i'm black and latin - I dont feel safe at  times driving.  Phoenix, I felt as the drivers had poor reflexs and generally didnt pay attention to traffic.

 

Houston and Dallas, their city streets are like the Indy 500.

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I've driven in probably every major city in this country.

 

The ones that EASILY stand-out in regards to "worst" drivers (for various reasons) are Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Miami, and Phoenix.  Also, Baltimore, for some odd reason, has horrific drivers.  The most courteous drivers were out in the Pacific Northwest and Minnesota.  New York and Los Angeles drivers are aggressive but they at least have SOME sense compared to the ones mentioned earlier.  The slowest drivers are Pittsburgh drivers (and yes, Cleveland is up there).  Columbus drivers stay in the left-lane too damn much and KOOW is right, there are no turn signals.

 

I will say, the most outrageous stuff I've ever seen, driving-wise, was in Oakland (CA) and Detroit.  Those two cities should receive gold medals for survival.


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Oh, and outside the border, Toronto has horrific drivers.  Montreal, on the other hand, has wonderful drivers.


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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I've driven in probably every major city in this country.

 

The ones that EASILY stand-out in regards to "worst" drivers (for various reasons) are Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Miami, and Phoenix.  Also, Baltimore, for some odd reason, has horrific drivers.  The most courteous drivers were out in the Pacific Northwest and Minnesota.  New York and Los Angeles drivers are aggressive but they at least have SOME sense compared to the ones mentioned earlier.  The slowest drivers are Pittsburgh drivers (and yes, Cleveland is up there).  Columbus drivers stay in the left-lane too damn much and KOOW is right, there are no turn signals.

 

I will say, the most outrageous stuff I've ever seen, driving-wise, was in Oakland (CA) and Detroit.  Those two cities should receive gold medals for survival.

 

I'm surprised you didn't throw DC and Philly in there.

 

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Philly drivers are bad but they aren't exceptionally bad.  DC drivers are wish-washy but again, they sure ain't Atlanta!


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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1. Pretty much anywhere in the Southeast - too much Nascar influence.  You'd better be ready for a flow of traffic that goes 10-15 mpg above the speed limit.

 

2. I-95 in Northern Jersey - where you will find at least one a-hole weaving in and out of bumper to bumper traffic at 90 mph.

 

3. Philly - rude and aggressive... a bad combination.  The traffic signals on the side of the road (as opposed to over the road) doesn't help.

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LA was the worst I've experienced.  As I remember any little thing, like trying to merge getting onto the highway, resulted in someone wanting to fight.  And I was going with the flow of traffic!

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Damn this sure has taken off! I'm certainly glad I split this off from "Transportation Planning Gone Wrong" into its own thread when the debate over bad drivers was just a few messages old! Otherwise the other thread would have been taken in a completely different direction!!


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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LA was the worst I've experienced.  As I remember any little thing, like trying to merge getting onto the highway, resulted in someone wanting to fight.  And I was going with the flow of traffic!

 

Thats exactly why I don't drive in LA.  I know my temper and I'll be ready to get out the car and fight.

 

LA is only city I won't drive in.  Most other places I'll take public transportation or a taxi.  In LA I'll sit in back and let someone else drive.

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Everyone loves to stereotype drivers in different  cities lol. It's not just the demographic at this kind of site. It's funny how you hear it everywhere. "People in _____ don't know how to drive!". Hehe.

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Damn this sure has taken off! I'm certainly glad I split this off from "Transportation Planning Gone Wrong" into its own thread when the debate over bad drivers was just a few messages old! Otherwise the other thread would have been taken in a completely different direction!!

 

I'm sure everyone was just holding back because they didn't want to post off-topic.  :angel:

 

I can echo the sentiment of feeling unsafe (car wreck wise) when I first started driving around Ft. Lauderdale/Miami.  But my worst experience was when I was in Baton Rouge when they were still running a curfew during/after the hurricanes last year.  The rush hour just before curfew time was intense and I unfortunately got caught in it more than once.  It's an isolated experience but it certainly skews the way I look at drivers and traffic today.

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I'll agree with ColDayMan on Minnesota though.  Everyone drives like an angel in the Twin Cities.  Unfortunately that makes the erratic driver REALLY stand out and they can really catch you off guard there.

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By what's stated this thread, it seems that cities in more conservative areas have less courteous drivers.

 

Ever been to Boston?? Or Paris!!!


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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By what's stated this thread, it seems that cities in more conservative areas have less courteous drivers.

 

Conservative areas tend to have more sprawl. I don't think sprawl = road rage but there's somewhat of a correlation.

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Well, what I said was a bit of a joke.

 

KJP -- yes, I have been to Paris, and it sure was craaaazzy. I mean really, why NOT cram five vehicles into two lanes, right? But abroad, you kind of expect irrational driving patterns. The U.S. is intended to have a very orderly roadway system, and for the most part it turns out that way. Here, when the order is compromised the problems compound themselves very quickly.

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I groan every time I hear someone say "people here can't drive", because it's probably the most trite, overused and often meaningless complaint I know of. It's like they don't realize everyone else is saying that about them!

 

That said, LA is the worst. It's a combination of a couple things. First, the fact that its highway systems are ancient by interstate standards -- built in the 1950s -- means that a good deal of them don't conform to interstate construction standards, and you have on-ramps without adequate merging length and other problems. Second, it's a city where, like Atlanta, everyone drives everywhere because of the immense sprawl. And everyone goes 90 all the time.

 

Bigger cities do tend to have more aggressive drivers, though. I was with a friend who was driving around Chicago once and it made me nervous just being a passenger -- I'd never drive there in a million years. Good thing I don't have to!

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When I first moved to Cincinnati from Chicago I thought everyone he drove like crap.  I still do.  Mainly, it's poor highway etiquette, like slow cruising in the left lane, lots of weaving, trying to merge onto the highway at 40 mph.  Generally on surface streets it's ok, but sometimes there's a doofus who doesn't know how to make a turn or which lane they want to be in.  It seems around here that it's not an issue of people being aggressive or dangerous, but just driving like a...well...doofus. 

 

The disturbing part though is when I've driven back through Chicago, I experienced all the same problems I see here.  Namely, people blocking the passing lanes on the highway for no reason.  I remember saying, "damn, I thought people here were better than this."  Oh well. 

 

I have noticed a broad pattern, where it seems southerners (and we're already far enough south here in Cincinnati) just don't understand the principle of merging onto a highway.  The farther south you go, the slower people are when merging onto highways.  This also leads to people making a bee-line for the left lane, even if they're barely going the speed limit, to get out from behind all the other wankers who aren't accelerating. 

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Do most stupid drivers drive trucks??

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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BTW, that video of all the trucks hitting the railroad bridge was shot in Raleigh, NC where stupid drivers must be everywhere!


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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BTW, that video of all the trucks hitting the railroad bridge was shot in Raleigh, NC where stupid drivers must be everywhere!

 

The issue is the low clearance of the bridge. There should be 50 warning signs or something telling truck drivers to stop.

The name of the video is 11' 8" the clearance height. Dam near everyone assumes that a truck will pass safely under a bridge.

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It's actually in Durham not Raleigh.  But anyway, they even have a detector to activate warning lights when a vehicle is over the height limit.  http://goo.gl/maps/DOoFA  Maybe they need to make it a flashing red instead of yellow, but it's not as if the city and the railroad are lacking in due diligence. 

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The issue is the low clearance of the bridge. There should be 50 warning signs or something telling truck drivers to stop.

The name of the video is 11' 8" the clearance height. Dam near everyone assumes that a truck will pass safely under a bridge.

 

'Can Opener Bridge' repeatedly ripping tops off of trucks

 

Authorities know of no serious injuries. Signs start warning of the low clearance several blocks away and vehicles that are too tall trigger the, "over height when flashing," lights, which drivers manage not to see, and don't even think of trying to slowly sneak up on the can opener.

 

So you say, why doesn't someone fix it? Raise the bridge; lower the road, but the sewer main runs right under the highway and the bridge would cost millions to raise. So the “can opener” keeps racking up hits that YouTube enjoys putting to music, like "Rocky," and "The good, the bad, and some ugly crashes."

 

http://www.kmov.com/video/featured-videos/Can-Opener-Bridge-repeatedly-ripping-tops-off-of-trucks-202730411.html

 

The bridge is the immovable object. No matter how many times you hit it, the clearance is not going to get any higher. No matter how many warning signs you place in advance of it, there are still going to be people who hit the bridge. So no matter how much you try to protect people from their own stupidity, some are going to defeat all attempts.

 

The smart answer is, if you aren't sure your vehicle will clear, you'd better start to steer....


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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