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Insidently, the projects were the 1st thing to blast huge holes in the neighborhood. And this knowledge may be lost to time, but the presence of the projects on Cedar may have caused engineers to swoop I77 back west towards downtown as opposed to continuing north from E30th & Woodland and allowing I90/71 to hit I77 there.

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Looking west down Euclid Avenue from East 55th (aka Penn Square) in 1929......

 

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22 hours ago, KJP said:

Looking west down Euclid Avenue from East 55th (aka Penn Square) in 1929......

 

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It's sad to see these old photos of Cleveland's East side and to see what was and what has become of it.  This photo, E.55 and Woodland area, League park area (even the W. 6th area downtown)...all those beautiful brick buildings and density...gone.  😞  Urban destruction via politicians and the riots...the decisions NOT to build a subway system...The landscape of this city would look so much different.  I was just at E 55 and Carnegie today taking at fire truck to the shop and was looking at the giant brick building just to the East of that intersection and thinking I hope it isn't doomed to be torn down.  So many of these old jewels have been, it's a shame.

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On 5/13/2019 at 4:55 PM, KJP said:

Looking west down Euclid Avenue from East 55th (aka Penn Square) in 1929......

 

 

 

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US 322 followed Euclid Ave?

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8 hours ago, Magyar said:

 

US 322 followed Euclid Ave?

 

The portion of Chester from E 55th to University Circle wasn't built until the mid-1930s, so 322 originally ran down Euclid. 

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16 hours ago, cfdwarrior said:

It's sad to see these old photos of Cleveland's East side and to see what was and what has become of it.  This photo, E.55 and Woodland area, League park area (even the W. 6th area downtown)...all those beautiful brick buildings and density...gone.  😞  Urban destruction via politicians and the riots...the decisions NOT to build a subway system...The landscape of this city would look so much different.  I was just at E 55 and Carnegie today taking at fire truck to the shop and was looking at the giant brick building just to the East of that intersection and thinking I hope it isn't doomed to be torn down.  So many of these old jewels have been, it's a shame.

 

"YEAH BUT WHERE CAN I PARK!?!?"

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On 5/14/2019 at 3:22 PM, cfdwarrior said:

It's sad to see these old photos of Cleveland's East side and to see what was and what has become of it.  This photo, E.55 and Woodland area, League park area (even the W. 6th area downtown)...all those beautiful brick buildings and density...gone.  😞  Urban destruction via politicians and the riots...the decisions NOT to build a subway system...The landscape of this city would look so much different.  I was just at E 55 and Carnegie today taking at fire truck to the shop and was looking at the giant brick building just to the East of that intersection and thinking I hope it isn't doomed to be torn down.  So many of these old jewels have been, it's a shame.

 

See my East 55th article at: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/04/developers-discover-midtowns-other-axis.html

 

On 5/15/2019 at 7:57 AM, TPH2 said:

 

The portion of Chester from E 55th to University Circle wasn't built until the mid-1930s, so 322 originally ran down Euclid. 

 

Actually @TPH2, that portion of Chester wasn't built until after WWII. My father, as a teenager in the early 1940s, was riding in a car with his older brother heading on Chester toward East 55th. When they got to 55th, my uncle Frank said to my dad "Someday this road will go east to University Circle." When it did, it made it less attractive to walk from densely populated Hough to the Euclid Avenue commercial district. This was Hough (looking west toward downtown) in 1949, and you can see the fresh scar that the newly extended Chester was (upper left).....

 

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On 5/16/2019 at 7:18 AM, cfdwarrior said:

^I threw up in my mouth a little...

 

 

 

ha -- you can see where his one track ideas came from via his work:

 

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Terrific photo posted on the Landmarks Commission site today -- showing construction work starting in 1915 on the streetcar subway approach to the new Detroit-Superior bridge. The location/direction of view is labeled.......

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The portal to the subway is at the far-upper left.....

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None of these venues still stand...

 

 


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On 5/21/2019 at 11:44 PM, KJP said:

None of these venues still stand...

 

 

I feel so old.  I remember the Alhambra.  I remember Super Fly opening there and every Black person in Cleveland wanting to see it, THERE.  I remember my parents, Aunts and Uncles going to vel's for the parties.  It was Black Cleveland on display and beautiful.

 

I remember Win/Jam studios,  Mr. Johns (IIRC my brother, and male cousins and I all had matching kids furs from here), Boon Docks Seafood, The Wig Shops, the Pussy Cat theater, Winston's Restaurant.  Black artists would go to Record Den for autograph signings.

 

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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6 minutes ago, JSC216 said:

^ they were part of the neighborhood that was cleared for the terminal tower project

 

I obviously wouldn't trade the terminal tower for anything.... but those are beautiful

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1 minute ago, YABO713 said:

 

I obviously wouldn't trade the terminal tower for anything.... but those are beautiful

I easily would if we could have guaranteed that the entire neighborhood would still be intact. Most likely it would have been demolished for parking or other less iconic buildings though. 

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14 hours ago, Eastside said:

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Does anyone know where these buildings used to exist? Found on pinterest https://www.pinterest.com/pin/291608144618377130

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, they were here (arrow shows general view/direction of camera) along with a zoom of the same view in 1886. Note that these maps were from 36 years before the above photograph was taken. BTW, South Water Street here was later renamed Columbus Road. Champlain Street was erased by the Cleveland Union Terminal development which prompted dozens of "before" photos taken and posted in the CUT collection at the Cleveland Memory Project....

 

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^ I like the old practice of naming downtown streets after lakes.


There's nothing wrong with optimism, as long as you don't get your hopes up.

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2 hours ago, ryanfrazier said:

Does anyone know about that CCC&IRR train station in that historic map?  I'd never heard of that before.

Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati & Indianapolis Railway. After mergers it later became the Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (Big Four) Railway.

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3 hours ago, ryanfrazier said:

Does anyone know about that CCC&IRR train station in that historic map?  I'd never heard of that before.

 

 

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After the Big Four was acquired by New York Central and relocated into the lakefront Union Depot, its old station was acquired by the Erie Railroad which had its previous passenger station on Scranton Peninsula. Erie continued to use the station under the Detroit-Superior viaduct until 1949 when the city of Cleveland widened the Cuyahoga River navigation channel and replaced many lift bridges. The old Erie/Big Four two-track-wide lift bridge next to the Carter Road bridge was replaced with a longer, one-track lift bridge. And the Erie's passenger trains were relocated to Cleveland Union Terminal/Terminal Tower. Under Conrail, they were the last passenger railroad train service to CUT in 1977.

 

In the 1960s and 70s, the Erie depot under the Detroit-Superior viaduct was owned by mobster James Vinci who converted it into a restaurant called Diamond Jim's. After he was murdered prior to testifying in a mob trial, his daughter, Rosemary Vinci took over ownership of the old depot, running Shorty's Diner until the early 1990s. She met the same fate as her father for apparently the same reason.

 

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A little bit down the line, on the Erie Railroad toward Solon, Warren, Youngstown, and beyond, was this fascinating crossing of East 131st and Miles Avenue in Cleveland. The two-track railroad line that hosted a dozen daily passenger trains at 70 mph and at least a dozen daily freight trains in 1953 is now a single-track streak of rust and the neighborhood is pocked with vacant lots and empty buildings.....

 

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Here's a larger view of the first photo......

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In light of the recent Woodland Cemetery gatehouse reconstruction at 6828 Woodland Avenue woodlandgate.thumb.jpg.6ebc080fd9404186b22107a504ac26c8.jpg

Here are some photos of the original chapel, fountains, and gatehouse, all are gone at this moment but the gatehouse is in the process of being rebuilt!1339027078_ScreenShot2019-06-10at2_54_52PM.thumb.png.277fb56c9b72473051c934861a8cf05d.png2094081797_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_03_37PM.thumb.png.d9d9fe50401287af8fa12a2ac1373c63.png257059997_ScreenShot2019-06-10at2_59_51PM.thumb.png.d1f5f8f5b2a146edc095556055c0b8b3.pnglostgatehouse.jpg.7647e693ffeac955c922670a84e408d8.jpgwoodlandcemetarylostfountain.jpg.1fd6d068d35959fb8ad5f0d0740af55b.jpg

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St. Thomas Aquinas Church located at 9101 Superior Avenue demolished in 1975 the same year St. Agnes was demolished on Euclid Avenue. 1975 was quite a bad year for Cleveland architecture it seems. Today, the school still stands as a landmark for the area slowly demolished over the past 60 years.1033927138_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_38PM.thumb.png.be9ef0004c847f1376f0f47e31f456c6.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png1509320054_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_42_16PM.thumb.png.a4e67c5abfbfa2c1735c14bf26cde2e0.png

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So they tore down that beauty and replaced it with....nothing. Great.

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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People??

 

 


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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On 6/10/2019 at 3:55 PM, JohnCurran1996 said:

St. Thomas Aquinas Church located at 9101 Superior Avenue demolished in 1975 the same year St. Agnes was demolished on Euclid Avenue. 1975 was quite a bad year for Cleveland architecture it seems. Today, the school still stands as a landmark for the area slowly demolished over the past 60 years.1033927138_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_38PM.thumb.png.be9ef0004c847f1376f0f47e31f456c6.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png2060722812_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_40_48PM.thumb.png.a04b7e631655e28a6c41203b5fea6132.png1509320054_ScreenShot2019-06-10at3_42_16PM.thumb.png.a4e67c5abfbfa2c1735c14bf26cde2e0.png

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 Demolished or a neighborhood that was purposely left to deteriorate?

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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I'm sure plenty of people here follow John, but I have a feeling folks that follow this topic would have some great tidbits to add!

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