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It's an interesting design.  It appears that each condo is an entire floor (75~x75~ feet), with the exception of a few multi-floor units.  This design idea dates back at least to the Trump World Tower, which was built 1999-2000.  But I like the way the windows form an element which the rest of the interior can be designed around in a much more pronounced way than most of these buildings.  The website doesn't have a floor plan so we're not able to see what space the utilities/elevators/stairs take up in the middle. 

 

 

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stern's tower next to the woolworth is moving along

 

 

today

 

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i dk what is going on between the new tower and the woolworth

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at long last, the thunderbolt coaster is returning to its coney island site.

there was a groundbreaking ceremony recently.  :clap:

 

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Well, not the actual original but an interesting new carni-type coaster with the old Thunderbolt name slapped on it.  But whatever, it'll be successful.


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well yeaaah, the other one had the hollywood version of woody allens old house under it and was overgrown with weeds and trees for the longest until they tore it down lol (because it was an eyesore next to the new cyclones ballpark so they said)! anyway its the exact same site at least.

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I know tall buildings are kind of NYC's thing and all, but I have a really hard time getting behind projects like 432 Park.  A super tall, absolutely featureless box that will lord over the park, and divert attention away from ESB, Chrystler, and some of the other classic New York buildings just doesn't seem to contribute positively to the city.  I'm torn, because I know that high rise growth is what has allowed New York to become New York, and San Francisco's aversion to height seems to be causing a massive housing shortage, so in that sense these type of developments are probably good in the long run.  But part of me still just does not like these towers.

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While I can understand that sort of opinion of 432 Park since it is of a very particular style, I think the height is good. Classic New York skyline was a series of peaks and valleys which has since mostly been lost in Midtown. A 600-700 foot plateau exists with only a handful of buildings breaking above but not enough to make much of a difference. These 57th Street supertalls are so much taller than everything else though that they're bringing an essence of that old style skyline back since they definitely do tower over everything around them. But if 432 Park isn't your cup of tea there will definitely be a handful of supertalls that scream NYC. 111 W57th is probably the most so along with Tower Verre and 220 CPS. The detailing and stylistic cues of these buildings seems to be a lot more on par with what you're talking about and though they will still dethrone the ESB and Chrysler a bit, I think it's time for that. The Chrysler is already mostly lost in a sea of nearly-as-tall- buildings and isn't really visible from a lot of places. The ESB obviously still dominates its surroundings but it can still do that with these huge buildings going up 20+ blocks north. I think in the long run it'll really improve the city's skyline and their presence within Manhattan will be a positive one.

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I still think 432 Park is a bad-ass building.


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I'm in the same boat. I think the open mechanical levels which will glow at night, pure white concrete, and simplicity of its use of structure as design is great. But I can also understand how someone wouldn't like it. When I was in NYC in December the building already looked great and it was, I believe, just about to pass the halfway point. It's tall now and making an impact and still has 600 feet to go. It's going to be something to behold when finished and occupied.

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yeah lots of people dont seem to like 432 park.

i can understand, its a very stark, modernist design.

 

no worries about central park, its nearby, but not on the park or anything.

the top 1/3 apts will have central park views.

its really skinny too, so its not blocking anyones views either.

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i found a few interior renders/floorplans

 

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typical floor plan i think

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a $95M penthouse

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Thanks.  Looks like the penthouses take up the full floor, the merely really, really nice units take up a half floor, and I'm guessing the lower floors are divided into 4 units.  Look more closely at the elevator arrangement...maybe two of those elevators only go to the full-floor units at the top, then the half-floor units are served by the other two.  That means there are other elevators that serve the lowest half of the building, so those floor plans are actually a big smaller. 

 

What my main complaint about many places in cities is that you're only getting light from one side of the building and maybe two if you're really lucky.  You need to have the big money to get good sunlight from multiple directions into your apartment or your condo or else you end up with "cave" rooms.  Unfortunately in Cincinnati several of the new 4-story apartments/condos are built around central parking garages, meaning several rooms, even on corner units, have walls that back up to the parking garage meaning there is no sunlight. 

 

Also it should be added that from what I understand, hi-end units in New York are actually a bargain compared to cities like Monaco and Dubai, which is hard to imagine, although is in part explained by their tax haven status drawing people from around the world who will actually live there whereas international buyers might be buying these hi-end NYC condos as more of a speculative investment. 

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^ correct - many of these apts will sit empty. its just another place for the rootless ultra rich to hold their money.

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I actually heard (though from the developer at some point, so take with a grain of salt) that unlike neighboring One-57, 432 Park was actually seeing a lot more locals buying as a new primary residence where competing towers were seeing a lot more foreign buyers looking for a NYC crash-pad for when they're there one month of the year. It'll be curious to see if this actually turns out to be true since I think it would be a shame for these buildings to sit dark and unoccupied when owners are not in town.

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^^ I rented a place in Astoria that had an immaculate oasis of a back yard, and was a 5 minute walk from the N train, which is just a short 10-15 minute ride from Midtown.  I’m pretty sure most of my friends were only my friends because of the weekly grill outs, but at least they brought booze.

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One of my personal issues with hi-rise living is the lack of balconies in many buildings, and that those buildings with the cantilevered balconies are spaces that you don't really want to be on.  There are a lot of balconies out there that pretty much get zero use because there's no sense of privacy. 

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That's definitely my problem with most modern highrise apartment buildings. You get charged for "outdoor space" but it's basically awful space. My cousin and her boyfriend live in Manhattan at 60th and Amsterdam and their $7,900/month rent includes "outdoor space" in the form of two balconies, one off of the master bedroom and one off of the living room. These are both about 10 feet wide and 4 feet deep. Being 500 feet up these spaces were terrifying to occupy and were super uncomfortable. I can't imagine ever using them and it was obvious they didn't either. There was no furniture on either. If those had just been inset instead of cantilevered they'd be incredible assets. But as they are they're just a marketing ploy to get more money out of the units in the building.

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I think also when you have a balcony where somebody else's windows are too close and looking at your balcony, you always feel like someone's going to spy on you.  Maybe there's a science to it but it seems sort of random when somebody has a rooftop space or balcony that is really outstanding. 

 

You see a lot of old brick 2-families or 4-families in Ohio's cities that had sturdy brick pillars and presumably concrete floors.  People are out on those all the time because there's that solid feel and a little bit of privacy. 

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balconies have long been phased out of most newer manhattan apt bldg construction for just those reasons. they're usually useless. larger shared outdoor space, like roofdecks, took their place.

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432 park ave had a core jump yesterday up to apparent level 57 or 883' 6''

they are busting it out quick

 

and here is a graphic of all the big tower projects

(midtown only, so no hudson spire or hudson yards)

 

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I had never been to her apartment before but visited about a year ago or so and honestly when I snooped and looked up their rent online (I wasn't about to ask but I was curious haha) I was expecting it to be more. It's 3 bedrooms, 2.5 baths, over 2,000 square feet on the top floor of a large building and has views of Hell's Kitchen, both rivers, a sliver of Central Park, all of Midtown, Downtown, the WTC, and even the Statue of Liberty in the canyon of the avenue it's on. It was insane. I guess when you and your boyfriend are both lawyers making 7 digits each a $7,900/month rent doesn't phase you anymore.

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Keep those updates coming mrnyc.

 

That crane photo you posted is amazing and has me all "vertigoed".

 

And that "Race To The Top" graphic reminds of the old Boomtown Dubai thread circa 2008.

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An obnoxious trendy/foodie restaurant (unaffordable for many New Yorkers) has taken over the *fill in the blank*

 

saving this template for, you know, next week & afterward.

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