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^ I don't know. I just found out about it. But in the East Village there are a few Filipino restaurants and this place gets rave reviews. But I haven't been there either, since it's always packed and the crowd looks like it's nothing but 25-year olds. Not that there's anything wrong with that:classic_sad:. But it's super noisy!

 

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Legit question...is there even a middle class in NYC anymore? Or is it essentially incredibly wealthy expats, and wealthy generational families? 

 

My past vacation to NYC, mind you for 3 days, cost me over 5k. My hotel, was modest at best. I just didn’t want anything w/ cockroaches and bedbugs. Cost me 575$ a night. Again MODEST at BEST. Probably a 2.5 star hotel in most cites.

 

The restaurants were out of control. Why am I paying 9 bucks for a regular cup of coffee that I would normally buy for 2$? Why am I paying 24 dollars for a burger that would typically cost me 7$ at best...why is this Diet Coke 4$?!!!

 

I see so many young people to...assuming they live in the city how in the hell are they affording this? Is mommy and daddy giving them blank checks ala carte essentially. 

 

I would take it a step further, how do public safety (cops, firefighters, EMT, etc) afford to live in the city? I have to imagine it’s penny pinching to the max if they do.

 

The prices in NYC are becoming a utopia for the rich and wealthy. I’m surprised more folks aren’t creating a massive uproar about this. It’s literal insanity.

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Where the heck did you stay? There are countless nice hotels in Midtown and Downtown Brooklyn for 150-250/night. Many brand new.

For restaurants, same thing. I went to dinner with my boyfriend the other night and got an amazing arepa for $7. Last week I got some halal that was two meals' worth for $8 after tip.

I'm a young person who lives on my own earned money in NYC and own property here. It really isn't that hard if you aren't dumb with your money. I save half of my post-tax income on top of putting 10% of my income into my 401k and I make a very middle-class income.

Prices are expensive in Manhattan and in trendy parts of Brooklyn and Queens. Go a couple neighborhoods further out and you can find one bedroom apartments for 200k. Not exactly super wealthy required to purchase. My apartment in Brooklyn cost me less to buy per square foot than my condo in OTR did. Similar price, significantly more room.

Additionally, people generally do make more here compared to other places in the same career. I make twice what I did in Cincinnati. That more than makes up for the differences in cost of living. Additionally, living without a car is way easier here. That saves me $400/month alone over living in Cincy.

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I can't remember which hotel it was but around 2000 I stayed at a place where the continental breakfast was $36.  This was a totally average and unremarkable hotel, otherwise. 

 

I have slept on couches a lot more in NY than in hotels, but a few of the "middle-class" hotels were truly questionable.  The last time I actually rented a hotel room in Manhattan was probably around 2011...the room's door could not be opened all of the way because it hit the bed.  Stayed in another (here: https://www.yelp.com/biz/gorham-hotel-new-york) in the 90s that had a room window that opened just 12" or so from the neighboring building.  So the effect was that of sleeping in a basement apartment, despite being on the 8th floor or whatever. 

 

 

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^The city is cracking down on those types of hotels. They aren't legal and don't meet code at all. Most are being shut down in one way or another.

Midtown is going through a massive wave of new hotel development. All nice enough and fairly priced. I can literally see three under construction as I'm typing and next to them 2 more that are a couple years old and across the street there are 4 that are all less than 4 years old. Hotels are saturating the market so prices are very reasonable.

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Nooooh!  I just looked up the Gershwin Hotel youth hostel and it closed in 2014 and is now a boutique hotel.  I stayed at that place for about 17 nights between two different trips in college, upwards of 20 years ago. 

 

https://foursquare.com/v/gershwin-hotel/451d25c1f964a5208c3a1fe3?openPhotoId=4f4847d2e4b01e144e83e5be

 

I was just telling somebody about the goings-on on one of those trips last Thursday night. 

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15 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

^ I don't know. I just found out about it. But in the East Village there are a few Filipino restaurants and this place gets rave reviews. But I haven't been there either, since it's always packed and the crowd looks like it's nothing but 25-year olds. Not that there's anything wrong with that:classic_sad:. But it's super noisy!

 

http://www.jeepneynyc.com

 

Years ago I lived around the corner from this spot in Woodside when Jollibee opened up (it might have been one of the first ones on the east coast?):

 

https://goo.gl/maps/U5MinbMz7jK2

 

It was nuts - every afternoon there were lines down the street. This went on for months.  I finally had to see what the commotion was all about so stood in line for 20+ minutes - it was okay, nothing to write home about. I think it must be a nostalgia thing.

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I cruised around the corner on Google Streetview and saw this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7466582,-73.9005444,3a,31.6y,31.82h,89.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA0G5oDWkKMSmjYLEtrvt0w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

...the inability of Google's software to distinguish between real, 3-D faces as opposed to 2-D faces on signs and posters.  Yet somehow driverless cars are going to work perfectly. 

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13 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Years ago I lived around the corner from this spot in Woodside when Jollibee opened up (it might have been one of the first ones on the east coast?):

 

https://goo.gl/maps/U5MinbMz7jK2

 

It was nuts - every afternoon there were lines down the street. This went on for months.  I finally had to see what the commotion was all about so stood in line for 20+ minutes - it was okay, nothing to write home about. I think it must be a nostalgia thing.

 

20+ minutes for average food is nothing; when Cracker Barrel opened in Victorville, which is basically in the middle of nowhere in San Bernadino County, people drove and waited 4 hours to eat there. 

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On 11/2/2018 at 1:47 PM, Ram23 said:

 

Years ago I lived around the corner from this spot in Woodside when Jollibee opened up (it might have been one of the first ones on the east coast?):

 

https://goo.gl/maps/U5MinbMz7jK2

 

It was nuts - every afternoon there were lines down the street. This went on for months.  I finally had to see what the commotion was all about so stood in line for 20+ minutes - it was okay, nothing to write home about. I think it must be a nostalgia thing.

 

the woodside jollibee was the first in ny. i looked it up and i see the first in the usa was in daly city cali in 1998. agree, like bagels its good, but nothing special.

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i walked by the downtown brooklyn 9 dekalb (340 flatbush ave) site we are all waiting and waiting on and i have great news — its definitely on. actual tower site foundation work behind the bank bldg was a-happening.

 

 

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On 11/2/2018 at 1:37 AM, jmecklenborg said:

I can't remember which hotel it was but around 2000 I stayed at a place where the continental breakfast was $36.  This was a totally average and unremarkable hotel, otherwise. 

 

I have slept on couches a lot more in NY than in hotels, but a few of the "middle-class" hotels were truly questionable.  The last time I actually rented a hotel room in Manhattan was probably around 2011...the room's door could not be opened all of the way because it hit the bed.  Stayed in another (here: https://www.yelp.com/biz/gorham-hotel-new-york) in the 90s that had a room window that opened just 12" or so from the neighboring building.  So the effect was that of sleeping in a basement apartment, despite being on the 8th floor or whatever. 

 

 

 

during hurricane or superstorm sandy or whatever yacallit I was doing dishes with the kitchen window open listening to the storm raging around outside and I heard a loud boom. then I heard super come out.  I said I better go see what that was so I went out and saw the facade of a building on the corner by us collapsed.luckily no one got hurt. it turns out it was an illegal hotel. they only advertised in europe or something. it was quite obvious and funny because all the rooms were the same. there is another one right across the street from us even today, so these kinds of things still exist. I had some pics but lost them of the sandy facade collapse, but I found some online:

 

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^Cincinnati still had some of that until about 2005, when they finally cracked down on the Metropole and Dennison hotels.  They were running a pretty obvious drug/prostitution operation out of the Metropole until it was closed for renovations and turned into a boutique hotel.  There was also an amazingly sleazy bar right next door, The Phoenix Cafe.  This was amazingly sleazy stuff going on right in the middle of downtown, a block from the square. 

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^ no, these arent those kind of sro or hot sheet hotels, they are illegal hidden hotels geared to travelers.

 

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foster was chosen by chase to build 270 park. it will be either 1400’+ or about 1600’. it will be about 2.5M sq ft and 12k employees and have grand central access. the existing 1961 union carbide building is the largest intentional tower demo.

 

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/market-insight/features/the-new-skyline/jpmorgan-chase-plans-enclosed-public-plaza-metro-north-access-1400-foot-tall-headquarter-building/25461

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The last couple of times I have visited NYC, I have stayed at a place called Hotel Azure, right where Chinatown, Little Italy, and SoHo come together. It looks like the hotel has been sold or rebranded since my last visit and is now called "City Rooms NYC SoHo". It is a great value for the location; rooms are currently available for $84/night on Hotels.com and similar websites. The rooms are very small but that is to be expected for Manhattan, but were clean and not dingy or gross at all.

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On 11/11/2018 at 5:16 PM, mrnyc said:

^ no, these arent those kind of sro or hot sheet hotels, they are illegal hidden hotels geared to travelers.

 

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foster was chosen by chase to build 270 park. it will be either 1400’+ or about 1600’. it will be about 2.5M sq ft and 12k employees and have grand central access. the existing 1961 union carbide building is the largest intentional tower demo.

 

https://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/market-insight/features/the-new-skyline/jpmorgan-chase-plans-enclosed-public-plaza-metro-north-access-1400-foot-tall-headquarter-building/25461

Do they still have some more air rights that they can acquire for that site? Do you think they will try to get them and go for the 15,000 capacity mark? I also hope they go for the taller(more expensive, less likely) tower that is of right, and that Foster can think outside the box and diagrids and come up with something that at least has a decent crown and does not meet the air with the resounding crunch of a rather large flat top.

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^ i believe chase have bought or have plenty of air rights and that isnt a concern. and it is as of right so that eases the process.

 

as for footage i read you get like 5000 employees per million sq ft,  so i dont think they could get more than 12,500 staff in there.

 

idont think it will go over 1600’ either, although that would be amazing. and yes a crown would be ideal. definitely want a crown and no flat top or so-called spire.

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^It's ridiculous that Nashville is getting an office.  They have zero transit and their airport sucks.  It's not cheap to live there.  So Cincinnati was nixed for not having a rail transit system but it didn't matter that Nashville doesn't have one. 

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I'm amazed that only one of the top-10 employers in NYC is NOT a governmental unit or a hospital system. So in other words, they're not much different than Cleveland except the numbers are larger....

 

 

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23 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

^It's ridiculous that Nashville is getting an office.  They have zero transit and their airport sucks.  It's not cheap to live there.  So Cincinnati was nixed for not having a rail transit system but it didn't matter that Nashville doesn't have one. 

 

Bezos must be a low key country music fan I guess. 

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