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He's going to make a ton of money.  It's the exact sort of development rich people love. If he had gotten off the ground around 2003, the whole thing would have been built-out before the crash. 

 

My issue with it is that a 100 year flood plain isn't good enough for me.  I want a house with a basement and one whose floor is higher than that flood plain. 

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The locks, however, are not flood control devices. They will open the gates and let the flood waters through. I remember sitting in the observation deck (when it was open) at the Greenup Locks and Dam (the first "super dam" on the Ohio) during the flood of 1997 and just watching the high waters flow right on through the dam. Very impressive sight!

 

That said, how does a fairly generic residential development classify as the "best" and "world class" that cannot be found "anywhere" else?

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The locks, however, are not flood control devices. They will open the gates and let the flood waters through. I remember sitting in the observation deck (when it was open) at the Greenup Locks and Dam (the first "super dam" on the Ohio) during the flood of 1997 and just watching the high waters flow right on through the dam. Very impressive sight!

 

That said, how does a fairly generic residential development classify as the "best" and "world class" that cannot be found "anywhere" else?

 

True, the locks are actually to keep the water level up to a navigable level, not to impound water to prevent flooding. The flooding protection is provided by lakes such as East Fork and Ceasars Creek where runoff can be stored and then slowly released.  I would have liked to see the river at Greenup during the last flood.  Markland still has an observation platform for the next time.

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I wonder why some were closed. Greenup has a hydro dam and had it when I was there in 1997, but it was closed off after 9/11. Despite it being just minutes from my parents house, I haven't been back since its closure. I might have to see Markland soon.

 

FWIW, the last wicket dam near Paducah is finally being replaced.

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So after a two year hiatus from UO I have come back and decided to share some pics that I took of this but I can't seem to get them to upload. Basically they didn't show much other than some dirt work being done with a few pieces of equipment and not much else. Regardless, it's good to be back. I didn't realize how much I missed keeping up with all the developments.

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So after a two year hiatus from UO I have come back and decided to share some pics that I took of this but I can't seem to get them to upload. Basically they didn't show much other than some dirt work being done with a few pieces of equipment and not much else. Regardless, it's good to be back. I didn't realize how much I missed keeping up with all the developments.

 

Welcome back.

 

You can always use an image hosted on another site instead of uploading. Just use the following syntax:

[ img ] (url of image) [ /img ]

 

minus the spaces.

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Does anybody else think detached single family, suburban-style homes are an odd use for this site?

 

Check out the latest on this $400M riverfront project: PHOTOS

Tom Demeropolis Reporter- Cincinnati Business Courier

 

Every day, David Imboden trucks in more dirt for his $400 million development in Dayton, Ky., Manhattan Harbour.

 

About 30 trucks per day bring dirt to the site along the banks of the Ohio River. Soon, Imboden hopes more traffic on the newly installed road will be in the form of potential buyers checking out the views.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2014/05/16/check-out-the-latest-on-this-400m-riverfront.html

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Ugh... DCI hasn't a clue what they are doing.


"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

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Ugh... DCI hasn't a clue what they are doing.

No, sadly they don't.  Instead of a dense, multi-use riverfront development, we're getting a waterfront Wetherby homearama meant for only the few.  But don't despair--unlike many residences of our affluent (which remain hidden away upon hillsides above the "hoi polloi")--from Eden Park, any paparazzo with telephoto can scrutinize these homes as much as he pleases.  :roll:   

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We went from:

 

Urban Development

Urban Development with Super High-Tech Connected Stuff from South Korea

Waning Urban Development

Single Family Homes

 

If they could just phase in the urban development, that would be nice. It almost reeks of Bellevue's recent trend of "apartment killers."

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Marina purchase boosts $400M riverfront development

Tom Demeropolis Reporter- Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The man behind the planned $400 million Manhattan Harbour riverfront development in Dayton, Ky., just landed what he considers to be the final piece of the puzzle for the project.

 

Developer David Imboden and a financial partner have a contract to purchase the Manhattan Harbour Marina from the city of Dayton for $900,000.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2014/05/23/marina-purchase-boosts-400m-riverfront-development.html

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These are absolutely atrocious. I'm legitimately upset that everyone will now have to look at these pieces of garbage forever when looking across the river.

 

What a smack in the face to the architecture of surrounding areas.

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These are absolutely atrocious. I'm legitimately upset that everyone will now have to look at these pieces of garbage forever when looking across the river.

 

What a smack in the face to the architecture of surrounding areas.

Agreed.  Just view these homes from the Eden Park overlook...  Mason, KY.  :|

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The dream of the 90's is alive in Mason,KY!


“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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Can anyone with a structural engineering background comment on the long-term integrity of this building site?  I'd be concerned that a few large floods could erode the riverbank and undo some of the earthwork that delayed this project for so long. 

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There shouldn't be any issues if they built up the land correctly.

 

But that might be expecting too much when the product they're pitching looks like this...

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The houses are built above the 100 year flood elevation, but not above the 500 year flood, which is the top elevation of the flood berm on the site.

 

So they are not required to put the buildings on stilts, but if we have water up to 1937 levels, they may get some water.

 

And yes over time that shore line will erode putting those houses in danger.


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The houses are built above the 100 year flood elevation, but not above the 500 year flood, which is the top elevation of the flood berm on the site.

 

So they are not required to put the buildings on stilts, but if we have water up to 1937 levels, they may get some water.

 

And yes over time that shore line will erode putting those houses in danger.

 

I assume that there has been an HOA established that will handle shoreline erosion issues as a shared expense, however if I were interested in one of these homes I might hire an independent engineer to determine which lots are the least likely to suffer long-term damage.  We have 1,000-year flooding events every few years somewhere in the country (i.e. Nashville in 2010), and I think given the endless building sites that exist in this area that aren't within striking distance of a flood-prone body of water or on an unstable hillside overlooking one, I don't understand their continued popularity.  Even if property damage is insured or one has enough money to survive huge losses, it's still incredibly wasteful to knowingly build a house that will eventually be destroyed by an act of nature. 

 

 

 

 

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While I agree with the comments on the design of these houses they are far less likely to have structural issues than houses perched on the hillsides along Columbia Parkway or in Newport.

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I biked over there today to find a wine & cheese event blocking public access to the finished roadway and homes.  I'm guessing that this event will be taking place tomorrow as well so anyone willing to tuck in their shirt and wear a belt can probably sneak in and tour the completed homes. 

 

The developer has only finished the road and fully graded the site for a first phase.  I'm guessing it's between 1/3 and 1/2 finished at this point, with space for about 50 homes.  The grade these homes are being built on is much higher than similar homes across the river, which are all on stilts.  Also, these new homes outside the levee are much higher than the homes immediately inside it, by at least ten feet.  The levee itself rises much higher than these new homes though, probably 15 feet higher. 

 

 

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These are seriously some of THE worst houses I've seen built in awhile. They're just terrible all around. Bad site planning, bad layouts, awkward proportions, uninviting fronts, cheap materials on the interior, spaces laid out like it's 1995 again with soaring double height entries and great rooms, etc. They're just horrible. No wonder people aren't biting when that money can get you a fantastic home across the river overlooking Downtown from up higher and have way more quality built into it.

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Well I'm sure some people will hire architects and do some unique homes.  But my only real complaint with the development is the lack of mature trees, and there's nothing anyone can do about that.  I'm sort of in awe at the amount of money this developer is in the hole on this project.  After ten years I assume it's going to take another five at least for him to break even.  He might not even get in the black after every lot in Phase 1 is sold.  The guy could be six feet under before he realizes a return on this thing. 

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Has anyone other than a developer purchased land yet though? All the properties they've sold have been built by developers or are planned to be built by developers. It doesn't sound like this is going to be a showcase of the architectural abilities of this region.

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It doesn't sound like this is going to be a showcase of the architectural abilities of this region.

 

Definitely not.  That showcase happened 100 years ago, much of it surrounding this development in Dayton, Bellevue, and Newport. 

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Not to toot our own horn, but the firm I work for does extremely high quality single family homes all the time that would be great for a development trying to be "prestigious" but these are so far below our level (or our peer firms' level) of work that it's insulting when anyone describes them as the epitome of home design in Cincy. The developer is either just spewing marketing nonsense or is delusional. Either way these are just sad.

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>Dayton Mayor Virgil Boruske

 

The best mayor name in the region.  It's borderline a pro wrestling name. 

 

Can't forget  Goofy Borneman but you know, that's a dog mayor

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>Dayton Mayor Virgil Boruske

 

The best mayor name in the region.  It's borderline a pro wrestling name. 

 

Can't forget  Goofy Borneman but you know, that's a dog mayor

 

Though Lucy Lou is the current mayor of Rabbit Hash. (And first female dog mayor in America)

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Developer of $400M riverfront project brings in new team

 

Dave Imboden of DCI Properties said he brought in Build Cincinnati of Coldwell Banker West Shell to help market the single-family home sites in Dayton, Ky. [...]

 

Even though Manhattan Harbour, located at 525 Manhattan Blvd., hosted HomeFest in 2015, Imboden said there are still real estate agents and builders on the Ohio side of the river who aren’t familiar with the development.

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$30 million in new development coming to NKY's Manhattan Harbour

By Tom Demeropolis  – Senior Staff Reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

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A developer is building a more than $20 million apartment project at Manhattan Harbour, the mixed-use development along the banks of the Ohio River, with plans for additional projects at the 73-acre Dayton, Ky. site.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/07/25/30-million-in-new-development-coming-to-nkys.html

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^That building is under construction on the Dayton side of the flood wall, so not on the land that the developer raised out of the flood plain at a terrific expense.  The new building is being built above a 2-3 level parking garage and has a bridge to the top of the flood wall, sort of like all of the bridges you see on 1960s multifamilies in hilly parts of Cincinnati. 

 

I rode my bike on Manhattan Harbor's road this past weekend and the place is just sad.  Not a single house under construction.  The developer's flags and landscaping are fading and unkempt.  There are still only 5 houses (I don't think any were built in 2017, either). 

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That project started with such potential too. I was so disappointed when they decided to just build McMansions along the river, what a waste. Perhaps they can cut losses and move forward with something a little better.

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Luxury apartment developer buys riverfront property

 

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Arlington Properties Inc., a Birmingham, Ala.-based real estate development, construction and property management company, has purchased nearly 14 acres of land along the Ohio River for a luxury apartment development.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/10/26/exclusive-luxury-apartment-developer-buys.html


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On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 10:55 AM, jmecklenborg said:

From their website:

 

 

 

 

Four years have transpired since these homes were built.  They're still the only houses there.  A large apartment complex is nearly complete toward the marina, but the single-family lots have been a complete flop.  Everyone in U.S. real estate has been making gobs of money since 2016 except for this developer.  

 

I was at the Eden Park overlook this past weekend...it's a sad sight across the river.  

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

 

Four years have transpired since these homes were built.  They're still the only houses there.  A large apartment complex is nearly complete toward the marina, but the single-family lots have been a complete flop.  Everyone in U.S. real estate has been making gobs of money since 2016 except for this developer.  

 

I was at the Eden Park overlook this past weekend...it's a sad sight across the river.  

 

 

 

 

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This is a development that just needs to be opened up to multiple home builders. I toured the properties a couple years ago when they did a pseudo homearama was not impressed with any of the designs exterior or interior. Why have this amazing property and a house that could be plopped down anywhere in Florence or Mason. 

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