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article from the PD....

 

Is this being done to create land to develop on? If so, what's there now they need fill dirt? Also isn't there plenty of other land around?  Or is this being done as the current holding space at BKL will run out of room. In which case, why not start to build the new port at E55 instead of dragging the dirt upstream? What am i missing here?

 

 

Cleveland wants to use dredgings to create industrial-park site in Cuyahoga River Valley

Thursday, May 21, 2009

Tom Breckenridge

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Mounds of dried river muck would be dumped and leveled to help create a large industrial park in the Cuyahoga River valley, under a unique plan crafted by Cleveland officials.

 

The city is working with the Army Corps of Engineers on an effort to scoop 500,000 cubic yards of dredged muck from dikes north of Burke Lakefront Airport.

 

The dirt - enough to fill 154 Olympic-sized pools - could be taken to a valley west and south of Pershing Avenue and Interstate 77, officials say. .....

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1242894638124650.xml&coll=2

 

 

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With the proposal for the new port over at E55th we have no shortage of room to put the dirt. I imagine they want to take the dirt from Burke because they know the future dredging is spoken for and the idea of redeveloping the airport seems like will be pushed aside at least till after the port move, so they can steal that dirt and we can fill it up again later.  So yes, they want to flatten out the area so they can entice new industrial development.

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As an engineer, I really do not see "river muck" having an appropriate density for footer bearing.  This writer really does not have enough facts yet to put together a strong article. 

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there is some kind of development going on near the heidtman steel parcel. does anyone know whats going on there? you can see it right off interstate 77. they seem to be digging foundations and tons of construction vehicles.

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I noticed this too, and it immediately jumped out at me. At least this one is in the city proper - I think it is, or is that Cuyahoga Heights/Newburgh Heights borderline?

 

Geis Construction is on this one and they don't play games, they're one of the biggest industrial players in NE Ohio. They threw down some warehouses the past few years in Glenwillow as big as Key Tower horizontally and they keep building more.

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I think this is the same thing I wrote about last November....

 

http://cleve.live.advance.net/westsidesun/news/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1227191875252410.xml&coll=4

 

Old dump will be cleaned up to host manufacturing space

Thursday, November 20, 2008

By Ken Prendergast

kprendergast@sunnews.com

West Side Sun News

 

An old slag dump could see a cleaner future as a home to advanced energy manufacturers, thanks to a $5 million Ohio Job Ready Sites grant. The funding will be used to prepare the site for the city's planned Cuyahoga Valley Industrial Center.

 

"This project is a unique opportunity for job creation and redevelopment of industrial land in the city of Cleveland and Northeast Ohio," said Mayor Frank Jackson in a written statement.

 

When finished, the center could have 500,000 to 1 million square feet of manufacturing space and create 300 new manufacturing jobs. Jackson said the site will be marketed to attract advanced energy manufacturers.

 

 

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well the site isn't along the river its more on the hill next to the highway. geis put up a big sign saying GEIS construction so something big is going on there. 

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what is going on off of 77 by heidtman steel?? a real tall red crane there and another tall crane not in the air yet. earth has been moved around and looks like,kinda hard to tell but looks like foundations have been poured. Does anyone know what is going up there?

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I think that this is the project that some small steel firm out of Indiana is building. It is not a huge thing--maybe 50 jobs. Family-run business sort of thing. I believe that this went in front of the City Planning Commission back around February 17,18 or 19.

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at least thats not 50 jobs lost. this is what cleveland needs is small companies to create alot of jobs not one big company. good news

 

You just said what I have said for years. I always wondered why several smaller/local/independent businesses, as the economy was originally built upon, had become 'not as good' as the one giant company who rides in like the Lone Ranger and saves the day. The bad thing about the 'one big company' thing..and when you build an economy around one golden goose egg.....is that is it falls, we all fall. We need to strive more, then for economic stability instead of always growth, growth, growth...Growth beyond maturity is cancer...and a diverse economy will breed a stable economy---Just like in the eco-system in nature; the more diverse it is, the more stable it is.

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Republic Steel, Standard Oil, TRW, etc. etc. all started out as small companies because we nurtured innovation and growth. They didn't move here. They were born and grew up here.

 

The one big silver bullet that so many want to suddenly emerge to save the city doesn't exist. There are thousands of silver slivers, in terms of successful small businesses, than can and will make this city an economic powerhouse again. If we let it.


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Republic Steel, Standard Oil, TRW, etc. etc. all started out as small companies because we nurtured innovation and growth. They didn't move here. They were born and grew up here.

 

The one big silver bullet that so many want to suddenly emerge to save the city doesn't exist. There are thousands of silver slivers, in terms of successful small businesses, than can and will make this city an economic powerhouse again. If we let it.

 

Yes....Exactly the philosophy I am talking about.

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heck of a warehouse the got going up right off 77. steel framing is just about all up. a couple of cranes on site and alot of workers. hope this brings jobs.

 

Yes, it's kind of funny how "in your face" the general contractor is, but they have no mention of what the building is for.  Maybe the company doesn't want it to be known?

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I noticed they finished the original frame, then expanded it south, and inside was some sort of old cement foundation of some sort. Last time I saw, it was inside the framework, meaning it might be implemented?? I love how Geis builds stuff so quick AND without 5 years of hyping it up. We need Geis to operate our downtown projects. And the one in South Euclid that hasn't been worked on in 3 weeks.

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ya i noticed that cement thing to wonder what it was. and ya we definitely need to get them to build stuff for Cleveland projects. this warehouse went up so fast. i just went buy and they have the Christmas tree on the top of the steel framework.

 

A pre-engineered building can go up very fast.  That's part of the reason why you always hear commercials about "buying a pre-engineered building to save money".  It's basically the same idea as going to a big box home improvement store and buying a pre assembled shed.  The problem with it is that they all look the same and have little to no design quality.  But, you put those sheds in your backyard where only your neighbors really see them.  Unfortunately that is not true with a pre-engineered building. 

I can't even imagine how many people will see that new building every day.  A site like that has some of the best potential in NE Ohio and there will be a boring steel building there.

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I can't even imagine how many people will see that new building every day. A site like that has some of the best potential in NE Ohio and there will be a boring steel building there.

 

That's OK with me. I'll bet motorists going by there on I-77 will see that huge industrial building going up and start to wonder if the industrial economy is picking up here (for the first time in 30 years!). Sometimes psychological boosts can translate into real economic boosts.


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I can't even imagine how many people will see that new building every day. A site like that has some of the best potential in NE Ohio and there will be a boring steel building there.

 

It's a sign of jobs.  Manufacturing jobs.  In a down economy.  I'll take it.

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It's a sign of jobs. Manufacturing jobs. In a down economy. I'll take it.

 

That's OK with me. I'll bet motorists going by there on I-77 will see that huge industrial building going up and start to wonder if the industrial economy is picking up here (for the first time in 30 years!). Sometimes psychological boosts can translate into real economic boosts.

 

While I don't disagree with either of you that it's a sign of an economic upswing, that kind of thinking is what has got us into some of the mess that is now downtown and is currently being done by the city administration.  People are fine with accepting that something, anything, is being built.  The problem is that shows such shortsightedness that it ends up being detrimental in 20 years.

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I don't know... it is a warehouse being built in the industrial valley directly adjacent to other warehouses... not sure how short sighted it is.

 

b/c the other warehouses aren't right up next to the highway maybe?

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their is another heidtman warehouse practically right next to this one that is very visible from the highway.

 

Not as I recall, but we can disagree.

 

Look at it this way.  Most people that come into the city will pass that area.  When do you fell like you have hit the "gate" to the city?  Right now there isn't one i.m.o.  Tri-C just put that addition onto their building right off of 77.  Whether myself or anyone else thinks it's a good or bad design is not important.  What is important is that you can tell someone actually thought out a design for the addition.  When you hit that point you look over and say, "hey, that college just put an addition on, people must like going to school there (enrollment up)."

When I drive by a steel building, personally I think, great another garage.  When in fact that would be a great place to have an important piece of architecture serving as a "maker" to the start of Cleveland.

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The entrance to the city is not this warehouse, nor is it Tri-C. If you want to know the entrance to Cleveland, coming north on I-77, it's Fleet Avenue and Slavic Village, with an ethnically diversisified bridge, full of flags.

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While I don't disagree with either of you that it's a sign of an economic upswing, that kind of thinking is what has got us into some of the mess that is now downtown and is currently being done by the city administration.  People are fine with accepting that something, anything, is being built.  The problem is that shows such shortsightedness that it ends up being detrimental in 20 years.

 

I wouldn't accept just anything, anywhere either. But it's an industrial area and we need more industry. If the concern is about having a highway next to an industrial area that's been there for nearly 200 years, then your complaints should be directed at those who put the Willow Freeway there in the 1940s.


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While I don't disagree with either of you that it's a sign of an economic upswing, that kind of thinking is what has got us into some of the mess that is now downtown and is currently being done by the city administration. People are fine with accepting that something, anything, is being built. The problem is that shows such shortsightedness that it ends up being detrimental in 20 years.

 

I wouldn't accept just anything, anywhere either. But it's an industrial area and we need more industry. If the concern is about having a highway next to an industrial area that's been there for nearly 200 years, then your complaints should be directed at those who put the Willow Freeway there in the 1940s.

 

When did I say I didn't want an industrial building there?

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People are fine with accepting that something, anything, is being built.  The problem is that shows such shortsightedness that it ends up being detrimental in 20 years.

 

That doesn't sound like a rave review to me. Nor did any of your other comments about this structure. If you meant something otherwise, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.


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People are fine with accepting that something, anything, is being built.  The problem is that shows such shortsightedness that it ends up being detrimental in 20 years.

 

That doesn't sound like a rave review to me. Nor did any of your other comments about this structure. If you meant something otherwise, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

 

All I was asking is that it have some design quality to it.  You're right, I'm not going to give a rave review about an of-the-shelf steel building.

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Architecturally, it's nothing spectacular. But I think it's certainly worth talking about from an economic impact perspective. In fact, I think it's HUGE.


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Architecturally, it's nothing spectacular. But I think it's certainly worth talking about from an economic impact perspective. In fact, I think it's HUGE.

 

KJP- can you elaborate on this?  This definitely is worth talking about.

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It's huge because a new factory/warehouse is being built during a major economic crisis. It's not the only one in Cleveland, as there is also one on E. 55th and along I-90 near W-117th that is also going up. But nonetheless, it's a big deal in a city that needs new industry. It's also the first new development in that area in a LONG TIME.

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