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Last time I went through the stats, which has been a while, your chances of being killed on or by light rail were approximately equal to you chances of dying by a lightning strike, a bee sting or a skiing accident.

 

About half the deaths on light rail are due to suicides.

 

I'm unaware of any fatality or serious injury on any of the three modern streetcar lines now in operation.

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The only credible danger that can be associated with streetcars is this the situation that occurs when you have older-style center street running (as opposed to curbside) with no passenger waiting/loading islands.  When a streetcar stops in the center of the street, and the passenger must board from waiting at the curb, or disembark from the streetcar, all automobile traffic in the same direction MUST STOP as soon as the streetcar opens its doors.  In Toronto this is a strictly enforced law and money has been spent educating the public about this.  I believe the US has the same kind of older center-street running without islands in west Philadelphia and parts of San Francisco.  The problem of de-boarding passengers being struck by autos is one reason most cities started switching to trolleybuses in the 1940's.  As far as I know most modern day streetcar projects use curbside running or center-street loading islands to avoid this problem.  If you are driving around, say...Toronto...think of it like this:  treat a streetcar in traffic just like a school bus; same direction-when he opens his doors stop your car.  More about this here:  https://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Safety_and_Security/Streetcar_Watch.jsp

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About half the deaths on light rail are due to suicides.

They need to investigate why so many people in towns with streetcars want to commit suicide.

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About half the deaths on light rail are due to suicides.

They need to investigate why so many people in towns with streetcars want to commit suicide.

 

I-Team Follow up to Quimbob:

 

'If the streetcar wasn't there, they wouldn't be committing suicide by streetcar'

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Something is up with the recently welded rail between Liberty & 15th. Its been cut and removed along with the rebar base. Anyone know what's up?

 


"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

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It's been a couple months since the streetcar victory. It only seems like a bigger victory now than it did then. I really think that was a pivotal moment in the city's history. Think about how many people would be ready to throw in the towel and get out of the city. Think about the many more who would remain but feel like they had no political agency after such a crushing and illogical defeat. It's kept the optimism alive that we've got something going here. That is priceless.

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Something is up with the recently welded rail between Liberty & 15th. Its been cut and removed along with the rebar base. Anyone know what's up?

what else would you expect? Cranley told us they were incompetent.

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Of course, since the streetcar is "slower then a jogger", you should be able to avoid it!

 

Hell yes!  Ha how about we add another race to the flying pig...outrun the streetcar!  He'd get the medal everytime.  :)

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Of course, since the streetcar is "slower then a jogger", you should be able to avoid it!

 

Hell yes!  Ha how about we add another race to the flying pig...outrun the streetcar!  He'd get the medal everytime.  :)

 

If you're referring to Barry Horstman, he's dead.

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Of course, since the streetcar is "slower then a jogger", you should be able to avoid it!

 

Hell yes!  Ha how about we add another race to the flying pig...outrun the streetcar!  He'd get the medal everytime.  :)

 

If you're referring to Barry Horstman, he's dead.

 

Oh Crap I didn't know.  Sorry.

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Pres Obama will also announce a $600-million competition for Dept of Transportation grants for "transformative" infrastructure projects....

 

Would be nice if we could get some for the uptown phase of the streetcar.

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WCPO’s Sloppy Streetcar Reporting Misses Real Concerns

 

Since I joined CityBeat two years ago, I’ve read and watched a lot of bad attempts at investigative journalism. But on Feb. 24, WCPO genuinely surprised me with the worst piece of reporting, journalism or whatever one wants to call what I saw: a so-called “investigation” into deaths related to streetcars.

 

There is just so much wrong with the report. The statistics themselves show the story completely lacks news relevance. The reporters failed to contact any streetcar supporters, who are some of the most accessible sources in local journalism. And the story failed to identify one of its main sources as a member of the virulently anti-streetcar Coalition Opposed to Additional Spending and Taxes (COAST).

 

Putting aside most of these errors in the reporting process, I want to focus on two statistics provided in the story. According to WCPO’s sources, more than 300 people have died in light rail accidents nationwide since 1995, but — and this is crucial — 96 percent of rail-related deaths were not caused by the people riding in the streetcar or train.

 

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"It's just fate, as usual, keeping its bargain and screwing us in the fine print..." - John Crichton

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This is like a "story" one would read on THE ONION as political satire...unreal.

 

The streetcar was a Republican idea to begin with.  It only became a "Democrat" issue after Chris Bortz turned on his own project in 2011, meaning it fell in Mallory's lap.  There was stuff going on back around 2006-07 that seems impossible now, like both Ghiz & Cranley voting for the streetcar while dating. 

 

 

Oh, and I heard that JUDGE Ghiz was going to be pressured to recuse herself had the pro-streetcar charter amendment been placed on the spring 2014 ballot because of her past streetcar votes while serving on council and for having dated now-mayor Cranley.   

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This is like a "story" one would read on THE ONION as political satire...unreal.

 

The streetcar was a Republican idea to begin with.  It only became a "Democrat" issue after Chris Bortz turned on his own project in 2011, meaning it fell in Mallory's lap.  There was stuff going on back around 2006-07 that seems impossible now, like both Ghiz & Cranley voting for the streetcar while dating. 

 

 

Oh, and I heard that JUDGE Ghiz was going to be pressured to recuse herself had the pro-streetcar charter amendment been placed on the spring 2014 ballot because of her past streetcar votes while serving on council and for having dated now-mayor Cranley. 

 

Whoa...Cranley and Ghiz dated?!?

 

 

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This is like a "story" one would read on THE ONION as political satire...unreal.

 

The streetcar was a Republican idea to begin with.  It only became a "Democrat" issue after Chris Bortz turned on his own project in 2011, meaning it fell in Mallory's lap.  There was stuff going on back around 2006-07 that seems impossible now, like both Ghiz & Cranley voting for the streetcar while dating. 

 

 

Oh, and I heard that JUDGE Ghiz was going to be pressured to recuse herself had the pro-streetcar charter amendment been placed on the spring 2014 ballot because of her past streetcar votes while serving on council and for having dated now-mayor Cranley. 

 

Whoa...Cranley and Ghiz dated?!?

 

Eww ... Gross.

 

TMI

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This article brings up a great talking point the next time some over-zealous conservative rants about the streetcar...."well you know the Hamilton County Republican Chairman considers it a great asset and even used it as a way to sell the city to land the Republican national convention."  Hopefully the one of many more critics to fall into the supporter camp.  This can only help the overall success and increase the possibility of future expansion.

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The streetcar was:

 

Socialist

Marxist

Crime train

Too Short

Too long

No one will ride it

Trolly Folly

Crack train

Thug Train

Yuppie Train

Hipster Train

Leftist Train

Bankrupt the city

Make us Detroit

Downgrade our credit rating

Take money away from our police

Take money away from fire

Take money away from roads

Take money away from potholes

 

 

 

Now its:

 

An asset

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The streetcar was:

 

Socialist

Marxist

Crime train

Too Short

Too long

No one will ride it

Trolly Folly

Crack train

Thug Train

Yuppie Train

Hipster Train

Leftist Train

Bankrupt the city

Make us Detroit

Downgrade our credit rating

Take money away from our police

Take money away from fire

Take money away from roads

Take money away from potholes

 

 

 

Now its:

 

An asset

 

You could have added:

 

"Killer Streetcar - attacks citizens"

 

and, given the vehemence of its opponents, one might think that it  ....

 

"Stinks worse than the thousands of abandoned refrigerators full of rotting food left behind in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina!"

 

(That WAS a horrendous problem, which taught everyone there the importance of emptying their refrigerators and freezers BEFORE evacuating the city. The stench in the hot humid air was overwhelming to the evacuees who returned, and it was weeks before FEMA was able to arrange to have all those ruined appliances hauled away.)

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Easy to see why Cincinnati keeps scoring high in the federal grant process when you see what else is getting funded.  This is the new light rail extension in Houston which goes through an incredibly ugly and inauspicious area:

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What's so striking about Houston's new light rail line is not only its bleak, empty desolate surroundings, but the fact that it appears that virtually nobody is riding it! Makes one wonder, what the heck is the matter with the Feds' funding priorities for light rail? If this is the kind of ridership Cincinnati is going to experience on its new system, God help us!

 

Maybe the Feds are hoping that Houston's new line will help to spur redevelopment of the area it traverses. Looks like it's going to take a LOT of reinvestment to revive this barren landscape. For now, Houston has a fast, sleek-looking train to nowheresville!

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What's so striking about Houston's new light rail line is not only its bleak, empty desolate surroundings, but the fact that it appears that virtually nobody is riding it! Makes one wonder, what the heck is the matter with the Feds' funding priorities for light rail? If this is the kind of ridership Cincinnati is going to experience on its new system, God help us!

 

Maybe the Feds are hoping that Houston's new line will help to spur redevelopment of the area it traverses. Looks like it's going to take a LOT of reinvestment to revive this barren landscape. For now, Houston has a fast, sleek-looking train to nowheresville!

 

The only reason that Houston's light rail system was built and Cincinnati's wasn't is that Houston was willing to put up the local match. It's a shame because ours would be way better.

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What's so striking about Houston's new light rail line is not only its bleak, empty desolate surroundings, but the fact that it appears that virtually nobody is riding it! Makes one wonder, what the heck is the matter with the Feds' funding priorities for light rail? If this is the kind of ridership Cincinnati is going to experience on its new system, God help us!

 

Maybe the Feds are hoping that Houston's new line will help to spur redevelopment of the area it traverses. Looks like it's going to take a LOT of reinvestment to revive this barren landscape. For now, Houston has a fast, sleek-looking train to nowheresville!

 

The person who made this video foolishly made it on a Sunday. 

 

Houston is an absolutely insane place. Like LA, it has its own logic, but it has none of the good architecture, exotic landscapes, or excitement.  Its first light rail line has the highest per-mile ridership of any in-street light rail line, but these new branches are really testing the power of rail alone to turn around low-rent areas. 

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It's not a race, but it doesn't say much for the rail transit. If it takes longer to ride the streetcar (or light rail) than it does to drive, than why should anyone ride the streetcar?

 

 

They don't like driving.

 

They can't drive.

 

They'd rather sleep or be productive rather than piloting their own machine.

 

They don't want wear and tear on their car.

 

Driving is more dangerous.

 

And more...

 

Only people who get behind the wheel and imagine they're sitting next to a bald eagle think it's a race. It's those clenched-jaw WLW callers who are scared that they would turn into a eunich if they did anything except drive everywhere.

 

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Houston is an absolutely insane place. Like LA, it has its own logic, but it has none of the good architecture, exotic landscapes, or excitement.  Its first light rail line has the highest per-mile ridership of any in-street light rail line, but these new branches are really testing the power of rail alone to turn around low-rent areas.

 

Given that there aren't zoning laws in Houston, it will be interesting to see how this rail (over time) changes the landscape. IF all goes well it might make that place look a little more like a real city (might still be ugly but it will probably be denser).

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^ Although they don't have traditional use-based zoning, they still have lot line setbacks, parking minimums, floor area ratios, and pretty much everything else you find in a typical zoning code. 

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