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This is a continuation of the "Kettering Tower close to being sold" thread.  The building will change hands at the end of October and is going to be renovated.  I locked the old thread, but if you want to see it it's here:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1458.0

 

From the 10/10/05 Dayton Business Journal:

 

 

Tower getting new property management

Caleb Stephens

DBJ Senior Reporter

 

The new owners of the Kettering Tower plan big changes to Dayton's tallest office building.

 

Besides a previously announced renovation project, the owners are hiring a new property management company, are reducing the building's overhead by renegotiating with vendors and are working to attract new retailers.

 

...

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2005/10/10/story6.html

 

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I'm not a big fan of the Kettering Towers ground floor areas.  They seem sort of chopped up an not as simple or clean as one would expect from a Miesianesque skyscraper

 

This was one of the premier banks in Dayton at the time...the Winters Bank, so one would expect modernist elegance and grandeur.

 

Yet there is no proper banking hall like one would expect in a downtown bank skyscraper...you take those escaltors up from the "lobby" to this low dark banking area on a sort-of mezzanine.  A bit of a letdown. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have been out of the area for a few months. Are there any projects planned for downtown other than tech town? Just wondering about my hometown. ..

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Riverscape Expansion Plans

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3716.0

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3184.0

 

Juvenile Justice Center construction

 

Webster Station West - proposed housing development at the corner of Patterson and First Streets

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6986.0

 

TechTown (as you already mentioned)

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=1293.0

 

 

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Please put an "a" in the title, that is really driving me nuts.

 

Anyway, glad to have a comprehensive thread. Is the McCormick building accross from 5/3 finished?

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There hasn't been any activity at the Schwind site for a long time. It looks like demolition had started, but then stopped. 

 

They recently tore down the old house that used to be the rectory for Sacred Heart, and also a  1950s-era building at the corner of Wilkinson and Third.

 

DVAC moved into a remodeled building on Jefferson, between 2nd and 1st.

 

A piano bar is supposed to be opening in the mid-rise across Main from the Victoria.

 

 

 

 

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Both from the 9/1/06 DDN:

 

Centre City plan could change downtown dynamic

Project's viability depends on developer securing tax credits, historic status and a grant for asbestos removal.

By Joanne Huist Smith

Staff Writer

Friday, September 01, 2006

 

DAYTON — In 1924, it was the tallest reinforced concrete building in the world, Dayton's first skyscraper.

 

Today, the 21-story Centre City Building, 40 S. Main St., is nearly empty, but Ron Smith of Hutchins Commercial Realty envisions it redeveloped into apartments and businesses.

 

The project would convert the office tower into 109 apartments, with parking, and cost about $17.5 million. It depends on several factors, including securing financing and historic status for tax credits.

 

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2006/09/01/ddn090106maininside.html

 

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That tower piece with the pyramidal roof is just tacked-on, though.

 

I like the side that faces Dave Hall Plaza, with the bay windows.

 

Probably a better skyscraper is the old Hulman Building, but that depends on the angle as the elevator shafts on one side sort of detracts.

 

The thing that I found suprising is how empty this building is.  Just 20% occupied.  I had read about the top floor penthouse apartment before, though. 

 

Smith wants to put 130 parking spaces in the Centre City building and, using Air City's entrance ramps, tenants will be able to drive right into Centre City and park near their apartment on the second to sixth floors.

 

That's interesting.  Gut the lower floors and turn them into parking. 

 

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The "taccked-on" portion is quite interesting architecturally for such a classic building, as it has more than one architectural style.  Well, good to see that building potentially being revived.

 

Then again, knowing Dayton's wonderful hood council, it'll be welfare momma's.


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Centre City redevelopment moves forward

Dayton Business Journal - 5:07 PM EDT Thursday

 

The city of Dayton will hold a public hearing Friday, Oct. 20 at 2 p.m. regarding an application for Clean Ohio funding that would go toward the Centre City building redevelopment project.

 

Hutchins Commercial Realty, which has an option to buy the Centre City project building at 40 S. Main St., asked the city of Dayton to help it obtain grant money from the state of Ohio through the Clean Ohio Fund.

 

The $750,000 grant would go toward asbestos abatement.

 

The Centre City project will cost between $15 million and $20 million. The building will be redeveloped to include 100 apartment units and six floors of commercial use. The 21-story building now is 20 percent occupied and was built in 1904.

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2006/10/16/daily24.html?t=printable

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So, I know there was a fire about a month ago, and I still see the plywood up over the windows that were broken out b/c of the fire. But....seriously, How long does it take to replace these windows? It's starting to get really cold out. I sure hope they get them replaced soon.

 

Does anyone know if anything is getting done about this?

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I've read that a lot of Kettering Towers components aren't readily available, so someone was contracted to replicate the glass among other things. Don't really know how long this takes and don't know if that's true.

 

Or maybe downtown Dayton is just trying to blend in with it's adjacent neighborhoods by boarding up the windows?  :laugh:

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From the 12/25/06 Dayton Business Journal:

 

 

Kettering Tower fire leaves its mark on tenants

Some tenants still in temporary locations

Dayton Business Journal - December 22, 2006

by Tracy Kershaw-Staley

DBJ Staff Reporter

 

Two months after a fire shut down its highest floors, Kettering Tower continues to work to recover.

 

Among the changes are a new tenant -- the law firm of Skilken and Dankof -- and Merrill Lynch has been able to move back into its home on the 25th and 26th floors.

 

...

 

http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/stories/2006/12/25/story4.html

 

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To reply to a comment posted earlier in this thread about the tower's "boarded windows" after the recent fire:  Just for the record, they were never "boarded."  They removed a few windows in specific spots on multiple floors after the fire and there were what looked like some kind of air-filtration devices in the window spaces (presumably to filter any remaining contaminants after the fire).  And all of those have since gone and the glass returned as usual. 

 

The lobby renovation seems to be coming along well, too. 

 

Does anybody else think that for the tallest tower in Dayton, they could maybe do a little something to light up the tower at night.  It's the basically the centerpiece of the skyline, and unless a bunch of office windows are still left on amongst the various floors, you'd barely know the thing was there. 

 

Any opinions or ideas??

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Throw up some blue neon, like the old Miami Valley Tower and *BAM!* instant Columbus!


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I looked closely at the Kettering tower today and on the southside where the brown "board like" material use to be, there is now a much darker black window or something. I could pressume it's a window/glass, but it's definitely not the same type of glass as the rest of the buidling, because if you look closely they stick out.

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It seems as though in past Hutchins has made big announcments and never come through, so I'm expecting the same with this.  Hopefully the owners, Vontz Realty, are committed to doing something with the building, but as along as Hutchins is involved, I'm not really expecting anything to come of this.

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If I would have won the mega millions Friday, this is the first thing I would have done. Bought Centre City, restored the facade and copper roof, then rehabbed it into apartments and lived in the Penthouse on the top floor! :-D

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If I would have won the mega millions Friday, this is the first thing I would have done. Bought Centre City, restored the facade and copper roof, then rehabbed it into apartments and lived in the Penthouse on the top floor! :-D

^Haha, I bought my first lottery ticket this week and thought the exact same thing...but I did not win.

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Next time the Mega Millions gets that size, we need to do an Urban Ohio lottery pull! That's gotta be like....at least 57 tickets! :lol:

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This was a front page story (with a big pix of downtown) on the Dayton Daily News ths Friday.

 

 

Revitalized city may begin with new life for old buildings

 

Dayton looks at plan to offer incentives to save vintage structures

 

By Joanne Huist Smith

 

Staff Writer

 

Friday, April 18, 2008

 

DAYTON — The City of Dayton hopes to promote transformation of vintage downtown Main Street buildings with financial incentives for developers who take them on as projects.

 

Target reuses, determined by the market, will be housing, jobs and amenities.

 

 

More above

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There was this other article, too, which elaborates on the cover story

 

 

Unique urban character a selling point

 

Lacking large parcels of land, downtown does have vintage look to attract interest.

 

By Joanne Huist Smith

 

Staff Writer

 

Friday, April 18, 2008

 

DAYTON — The city of Dayton wants to reposition its downtown core and the ring of surrounding neighborhoods to be more competitive when it comes to creating jobs, housing and amenities.

 

More above

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Here is a diagram of "vintage" (persumably pre WWII) buildings on Main Street, since thats what they are focusing on.  Recall that thread I posted here this past fall, I think, on how Main Street was decimated by urban renewal and misguided modern developement?  That means there isnt much "old" on Main anymore, and what there is pretty big

 

Vintage1.jpg

 

..the color coding shows whats owned by govermnet or non-profits.  The only one likley for redevelopment would be Lindsey Building, owned by the city, but vacant for years.  Two of the "red" buildings (#s 5 & 6)were recently renovated by Bob Schillfer.

 

Expanding the look to included downtown between Wilkinson and St Clair, one sees a lot more older buildings. 

 

Vintage2.jpg

 

Places like these, where $1M/yr, or a portion of $1M could go a long way.

 

Vintage5.jpg

 

...but they are smaller, maybe cheaper to renovate due to the size. The city would get more bang for its buck by assisiting in the redevelopment of these smaller buildings, particulalry if they target clusters of them, rather than having this relativley small amount set aside for high-rise renovations (which would cost probably more like $10M and up?) on Main Street. 

 

 

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Hey guys, took a break for the summer, so I need to catch up on some stuff.

 

First, does anybody know what's going on with 40 West 4th in downtown? Looks like it is getting a slight facade makeover, but I don't know how much of one. Haven't seen anything in the news, can someone enlighten me? If I can, I'll get a pic if no one knows what I'm talking about.

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I too would also love to know what's going on. . .I drove through downtown today and was completely shocked. .. I was like Dayton didn't jyst build a new building in 2 weeks did they? It looks NOTHING like the previous building, it's almost a charcoal and grey color now. . . .gone is all the white. . .do they still have the blue neon light at night? I'd love any info on this project, if someone can share anything. Thanks

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Hmmm...I gotta go see it.


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I think it looks 10x's better now than it did before. Basically, they just changed all the white to charcoal grey. I actually...gasp...like it! The building definately has a slimmer and taller look to it now. Don't see the blue neon back on yet. Not sure if it will go back up or not.

 

I snapped a couple pics. Will post later tonight.

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I drove by this twice today. . once in the daylight and once at night. I've decided that from a distance I don't like it as well, it just looks like a big ol black box, I think they need to trim it out a little better and maybe at the top. But, from up close, I really like the look of it a lot better. . .but I still think there are little touches that need to be added. Also, I drove by tonight and there is no blue neon light. . .I REALLY hope it gets added back in, b/c I barely could make this buidling out in the dark sky. . it was PITCH black. . . .

 

Also. . .Caresource looks FANTASTIC from 75 and I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the entire top of the Carersource building is outlined with a neon light that appears to dim into different colors. . .I think I saw Green, Blue, Purple, Red and a Pinkish color. . .it looks amazing.

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The Grant-Deneau Tower was the orginal name and I think it opened in the late 1960s.

 

The design, with the white verticles, was intended to accentuate the verticality of the building and activate the facade somewhat, and the top acted as sort of a modernized version of cornice.

 

So it was a representative design for its era...competent but not inspired.

 

Painting it black was a misguided attempt to "modernize" it somehow, to make a building following the aesthetic of, say, Minoru Yamasaki or Saarinen look like a Mies Box. 

 

Instead of updating it they ruined the design.

 

Also. . .Caresource looks FANTASTIC from 75

 

The curved piece on Monument looks outstanding at night with all the lights inside on. I was driving by and was really impressed.  That's going to be some good office space. 

 

If you look at the floorplate, this is a fairly bulky building, but the design broke that up. I wasn't too impressed with the first rendering, but this place looks pretty good from all angles. 

 

 

 

 

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Back at the end of October there was this op-ed by the Dayton Daily News editor on a new intitiative for downtown Dayton.

 

Kevin Riley: Downtown too important to slip off radar

By Kevin Riley

Sunday, October 12, 2008

 

Last week the Downtown Dayton Partnership announced a plan to have local architects look at 10 downtown buildings and imagine what's possible with them.  The idea goes well beyond the impressive sketches that we'll eventually see.  The architects' ideas will be shared with developers.

 

This volunteer effort, laudable in itself, offers a peek at behind-the-scenes efforts concerning downtown — and a renewed effort to transform it.

 

Downtown remains a challenge for our region, with little agreement about what its future should be. We all care about it, but we just don't know what to do about it.  Just about everyone agrees that we can't be a prosperous region without a lively downtown.

 

MORE: http://www.daytondailynews.com/

 

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Fast forward to last week.  Dayon Most Metro board host provides this update on the planning effort to-date.  Looks like no more studies and a bias towards action/execution:

 

New Downtown Plan: Not the Same Old Thing

 

As some of you know, a new committee has been formed to work on transforming Downtown Dayton.  It is actually a series of three different committees, and it is unlike any effort previously undertaken here in decades.

 

Dr. Mike Ervin has spearheaded this effort as he has gathered business leaders, institutional leaders and city & county leaders to work on doing some truly meaningful things that will hopefully re-energize downtown in ways never previously seen.  I'm talking truly transformational stuff here.

 

The three committees (as previously mentioned in a DDN op-ed) are:

1.  Value Proposition Committee that has been working on a comprehensive list of things that differentiate downtown from any other area of the region (ie competitive advantages)

2.  Greater Downtown Dayton Business Plan Committee, who will be developing ONE strategic plan that is focused on core planning principles and identifying a set of priorities.

3.  Funding Committee, who will be identifying funding sources and helping to determine what is doable in terms of financing.  Those serving on this committee include area bank presidents and other financial leaders.

 

Stay tuned, more to come soon...

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Re: Daytonnatian's comment

 

I agree, but I'd be willing to bet that the DDN cares more about downtown than most residents of the Dayton area.

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I think most are indifferent to downtown.  There's nothing there for the average person.

 

DDN did relocate their offices from downtown proper to an old NCR building on the border with Oakwood, so the editorial position is interesting, given that the paper has left the center city.  Though there are moves afoot to redefine downtown to inlcude the old NCR site and UD.

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Most people in the region probably associate MVH with downtown.  And because of proximity, there's no reason not to lump Stewart & Brown in with that.  UD is stretching it, but then again, it's also stretching its campus all the way to the river.  So, it's probably a redefinition that is a long-time coming.

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Hi all - sorry I've been absent from UO for so long.  I'm actually part of this new effort in Downtown Dayton, and I can truthfully say that this is different than anything done here before in terms of who is involved, how broad the plan is (much bigger than the CBD), and the actual partnership between business leaders, government leaders, institutional leaders, and private citizens.  Here is an "official" description:

 

The public and private sectors in Greater Downtown Dayton have joined forces to create a bold, unified plan for the region’s center city. The City of Dayton and the Downtown Dayton Partnership have convened a group of business and community leaders to spearhead this community-wide effort to establish a blueprint ― called A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan ― to help guide the future of Dayton’s urban core.

 

A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan will establish a very tactical, deliberate game plan for the future of our Greater Downtown. It will identify collaborative ― not competitive ― strategies for creating a more vibrant city. In addition, it will merge existing plans into one unified vision for our center city, allowing our community to work from the same playbook as we tackle clearly identified action items that lead to one goal: a vibrant, thriving center city.

 

We're using the DMM Forum for public input, and I invite any of you here on UO to participate (especially those who have a connection to Dayton - that means you, ColDayMan!).  In the mean time I'll also monitor this thread here and answer any questions or suggestions you guys might have.

 

Cheers!  :clap:

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DDM Forum has a good set of subcategories, too.  There are other options to provide input:

 

1.  Three pubic forums

 

2.  A Facebook page

 

3.  An online survey.

 

 

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They have a neat logo and slogan too...Original People/Original Place...riffing off the "Originals Wanted" brand.

 

gdtnplan-logo.jpg

 

...and a good FAQ, too

 

YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT

“A GREATER DOWNTOWN DAYTON PLAN

 

1. Why now?

Dayton is fighting to catch its breath. Like many other cities, it is contending with a crumbling infrastructure, deteriorating employment base, budget deficits and more. Without serious, thoughtful, strategic intervention _ now _ the city will continue to struggle. This is why a group of committed citizens, in partnership with the City of Dayton, are spearheading a community-wide effort to establish a blueprint that will chart the course for a new future for Dayton.

 

This effort is backed up by well-regarded research: A September 2008 Brookings Institute Report, “Restoring Prosperity: How Ohio Can Revitalize Core Communities,” concluded that for the state to be competitive in today’s economy, it’s critical it rebuild its cities _ and that rebuilding must begin now. Greater Downtown’s business and community leaders firmly believe Dayton can be at the forefront of this creative re-use and redevelopment of Ohio’s center cities.

 

2. What will the plan do?

A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan will establish a very tactical, deliberate game plan for the future of our Greater Downtown. It will identify collaborative _ not competitive _ strategies for creating a more vibrant city. In addition, it will merge existing plans into one unified vision for our center city, allowing our community to work from the same playbook as we tackle clearly identified action items that lead to one goal: a vibrant, thriving center city.

 

3. Who is involved in creating A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan?

Collaboration is at the heart of A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan. Not only are the public and private sectors working collaboratively in new ways to share information, professionals from the City of Dayton, business community and public institutions have committed their time and expertise to developing the plan. A deep and broad swath of community anchors are represented in this process, including local government and its agencies, universities, large and small companies, nonprofit organizations, foundations, and more are all at the table to coordinate their plans and find ways to propel our center city toward a successful future. Indeed, the collaborative nature of this plan is one of its hallmarks.

 

In addition, public input will be aggressively sought through an inclusive process designed to include everyone in our community who would like to contribute their ideas, from young people to residents of the city’s neighborhoods and suburbs to those who work and play downtown. In addition to public meetings and other sources, public input will be gathered with the benefit of such technology as online surveys and discussions, making it easier and more convenient for people to contribute their thoughts and ideas. This input will be compiled and folded into the plan. A draft plan then will be presented to the public in early June, followed by another round of discussion, again using technology to facilitate community input.

 

4. What is a value proposition and what role does it play in the plan?

A value proposition will serve as the foundation for the Greater Downtown Plan.  It is not unusual for a business to have a value proposition, but few cities have them.  The Greater Downtown Dayton Value Proposition will describe downtown’s competitive advantages, what is unique about Greater Downtown and how it separates itself from others. It will outline the compelling reasons for businesses, residents, visitors and investors to decide on locating or doing business in Greater Downtown Dayton. 

 

 

5.  What principles form the foundation of the plan?

Through numerous meetings with community and business leaders, a set of planning principles has been developed to guide our conversation about breathing new life into Greater Downtown. These principles also are based on research regarding best practices in the revitalization of center cities. They are fluid and may change as we gather public input and continue the planning process. To date, they are: 

• Develop a vibrant urban center through infrastructure improvements that create a pedestrian-friendly environment that connects downtown hotspots and breathes life into its parks and public squares.

• Establish a nurturing business environment that attracts and retains high-value jobs in the Greater Downtown.

• Implement a streetcar system that moves people throughout downtown, connects institutional anchors and is part of a larger, comprehensive transportation system.

• Focus on green, sustainable development and attract and create green jobs.

• Strengthen Greater Downtown Dayton’s arts, entertainment and cultural community.

• Increase and diversify _ in style, function and price point _ housing options and strengthen Greater Downtown as a desirable neighborhood by enhancing the mix of amenities, such as retail venues.

• Take better advantage of the Great Miami River as a focus for development, entertainment, recreation, housing and community life.

• Create a broad mix of housing, entertainment and cultural opportunities that will help attract and retain young professionals and college students to Greater Downtown and the Dayton region.

• Ensure Greater Downtown has a safe, clean and beautiful environment.

• Address parking and other issues that inhibit development and growth in the Greater Downtown.

• Build Greater Downtown as an educational center of excellence.

 

6. What is the geographic definition of Greater Downtown Dayton?

A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan will include a broad geographic area that includes the central business district and the key institutions and neighborhoods surrounding this core. Such a broad, fluid definition will allow the plan to be inclusive of the variety of downtown stakeholders, as well as expand the discussion of Greater Downtown’s assets and role in regional growth and development.

 

7. How will the action items in the plan be funded?

The plan will be bold and forward-looking _ but also realistic, especially when it comes to funding. Possible funding sources will be identified during the planning process, and the ability to fund projects may affect their priority ranking. 

 

8. How will the community decide which action items to pursue first?

Not only will the plan be strategic, it also will be actionable and results-oriented. Specific action steps and targeted goals will be prioritized with clearly defined strategies for implementation. In addition, the plan will call citizens to action so we reach those goals together as a community.

 

9. What is the process for developing A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan?

The impetus for A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan came during a spring 2008 CEO Roundtable, a gathering of leaders from the business, higher education, health care and other public sectors. The foundation for the plan will be a value proposition, which will define downtown’s competitive advantages and assets. The entire process will be open and transparent.

 

Leading the development of A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan are chairs Rashad Young, Dayton City Manager; Dr. Michael Ervin, retired physician and businessman, as well as community philanthropist; and Michael Greitzer, chair of the Downtown Dayton Partnership. Other committees and chairs are the Value Proposition Committee, chaired by Ron Budzik, and the Funding Committee, chaired by KeyBank Southwest Ohio District President Ed Reilly. A Business Plan Committee, which includes members representing a wide array of the public and private sectors and is chaired by Dr. Mike Ervin, will guide development of the plan along with input from members of our community.

 

MORE: http://www.downtowndayton.org

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local media on the plan.. this should be thought of as a "central area plan", as its not just the CBD...see bolded parag.

 

Local leaders want input on revitalizing downtown

Dayton Daily News

By Tim Tresslar

Tuesday, January 27, 2009

 

DAYTON — A group of business and government leaders who have been working on a turnaround plan for the downtown said they want to hear from the public in the coming weeks.  At a press conference held at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, officials announced A Greater Downtown Dayton Plan, an initiative aimed at creating a development blueprint for the city.

 

The planning effort, which began last year, has included input from local business executives as well as elected officials, administrators and staff from the Downtown Dayton Partnership, Montgomery County and the city of Dayton.  The effort is divided among three committees focused on the plan for downtown, a value proposition for the urban core and funding sources for implementing the plan. The group defines value proposition as the things that make Dayton an attractive place to locate and its competitive advantages.

 

Dr. Mike Ervin, a local philanthropist and co-chair of the planning effort, said the principles laid out on Jan. 27 are meant to act as a starting point for the discussion over the downtown's future.  The group hopes to have a draft plan completed by June, he said.

 

MORE: http://www.daytondailynews.com/

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Dayton Business-Journal also reports....

 

Groups line up to draft plan to revitalize downtown Dayton

Dayton Business Journal

Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:49pm EST

 

The city of Dayton looks to draft a plan to develop what it has termed “greater downtown Dayton,” which includes the central business district and key institutions and neighborhoods surrounding it.  The officials said they will present a draft plan to the public in early June.

 

Michael Greitzer, co-chair of the Downtown Dayton Partnership, Dayton City Manager Rashad Young and retired physician and community activist Dr. Michael Ervin, are leading the effort.  Ron Budzik, retired Mead Corp. executive and Downtown Dayton Partnership board member, and KeyBank Southwest Ohio District President Ed Reilly also are leading planning committees.

 

No funding is lined up, but sources will be identified during the planning process and the ability to fund projects may affect their priority ranking, officials said.  Officials are encouraging public comments to draft the plan and have scheduled three February meetings where comments will be heard.  Details are available at www.downtowndayton.org.

 

MORE: http://dayton.bizjournals.com/dayton/

 

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DDM Forum has a good set of subcategories, too.   There are other options to provide input:

 

2. A Facebook page

 

Do you have the link for this?

 

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