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Recent murder about three blocks away, a kid opened the door when someone knocked and they shot him.   

 

This was almost certainly gang stuff, but it's also close to where the mailman got killed a few years back.

 

It used to be one of the most peaceful and quiet sections of Maple.

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I grew up in Maple Hts. in the early '60s.  It was kind of an idyllic place then-huge trees, manicured lawns, etc.

 

Last time I drove down my old street it scared me how things changed.

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5 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I grew up in Maple Hts. in the early '60s.  It was kind of an idyllic place then-huge trees, manicured lawns, etc.

 

Last time I drove down my old street it scared me how things changed.


You post gave me a sad little chuckle.  I also grew up in Maple Hts. in the 60s.  Your comment reminds me how all the adult homeowners of that period would say the same exact thing about their former neighborhoods in Cleveland. Ironic? 

 

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27 minutes ago, Htsguy said:


You post gave me a sad little chuckle.  I also grew up in Maple Hts. in the 60s.  Your comment reminds me how all the adult homeowners of that period would say the same exact thing about their former neighborhoods in Cleveland. Ironic? 

 

Indeed.

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Damn, we got a whole bunch of erstwhile Mustangs here.

 

I've noted that irony myself.   My old street (Corkhill) doesn''t look all that much different on the surface, nor does the rest of "Maple Hills" (south of Turney).

 

But neither did that Brunswick-Reddington section the last time I was over there.  

 

The east side is a different matter at times.

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I wish I could find it, but there was a political cartoon from about five years ago showing several frames of a generic city map. The first frame showed white people living in the city surrounded by countryside. The next frame had white people moving out of the city to the inner-ring suburbs with minorities living in the city. The next frame had white people living in the outer suburbs, minorities in the inner-ring suburbs, and a void in the inner city. The last frame had white people living in the inner city, black people in the outer suburbs and a void in the inner ring suburbs between them. And that frame was subtitled "Mission Accomplished."


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It's older than that.  I remember seeing it in a textbook when I was a college student in the 90's.  Someone was pretty prescient- or maybe just from NYC or SF.

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I suppose I should ask why, on those rare occasions when Painesville makes it into the national news, it's always for something like this. But I think the real questions we should be asking are 1) why the perpetrator didn't use something more practical, like a cat-o'-nine-tails; and 2) where is PETA on this? The alleged assailant seems to have left his iguana high and dry to fend for itself. If that isn't cruelty to animals, I don't know what is. 

 

Disorderly man uses iguana as weapon, throws pet at manager inside Painesville Perkins restaurant

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/2019/04/16/disorderly-man-uses-iguana-weapon-throws-pet-manager-inside-painesville-perkins-restaurant/

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10 minutes ago, eastvillagedon said:

I suppose I should ask why, on those rare occasions when Painesville makes it into the national news, it's always for something like this. But I think the real questions we should be asking are 1) why the perpetrator didn't use something more practical, like a cat-o'-nine-tails; and 2) where is PETA on this? The alleged assailant seems to have left his iguana high and dry to fend for itself. If that isn't cruelty to animals, I don't know what is. 

 

Disorderly man uses iguana as weapon, throws pet at manager inside Painesville Perkins restaurant

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/2019/04/16/disorderly-man-uses-iguana-weapon-throws-pet-manager-inside-painesville-perkins-restaurant/

is "Painesville man" Ohio's version of "Florida Man?"🤣

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3 minutes ago, freefourur said:

is "Painesville man" Ohio's version of "Florida Man?"🤣

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Police learned that a 49-year-old man removed the iguana from inside his shirt and swung it around his head by the tail before throwing it at the restaurant manager.

Yes.


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5 minutes ago, freefourur said:

is "Painesville man" Ohio's version of "Florida Man?"🤣

 

Or "Ravenna man".

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https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/four-people-shot-in-pepper-pike-police-say

 

Four people shot after a private social gathering in Pepper Pike, police say

Posted: 8:52 AM, Jun 02, 2019

 

Updated: 10:24 AM, Jun 03, 2019

By: Courtney Shaw

Photo by: News 5

PEPPER PIKE, Ohio — Four people were shot early Sunday morning in Pepper Pike.

Police responded around midnight after reports of shots fired in the area of North Landerwood Plaza on Pinetree Road.

Police said the shooting happened in the parking lot after a private social gathering at Europa Restaurant on Pinetree Road.

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But, but Cleveland is unsafe! 

 

 

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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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Parma police are ridiculous and out of control. They often act as if they are above scrutiny by the mayor, council members, courts and the general public. Unfortunately, city taxpayers are going to pay for their hypersensitivity here, not the police department or individual police officers. And that's why they will be further emboldened to do this BS again, or worse....

 

 

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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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^victim's vehicle found in Euclid, which of course triggered a spate of responses of what-do-you-expect-ism? Given Painesville's long history of not having the safest reputation it seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, not to make light of a tragic situation🤨

 

 

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Lots of stupidity going on in and around the Lakeshore Blvd CVS this morning.   FB rumor is Butchie Cisternino's son is playing a major role.   @KJP

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54 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

Lots of stupidity going on in and around the Lakeshore Blvd CVS this morning.   FB rumor is Butchie Cisternino's son is playing a major role.   @KJP

 

There's a blast from the past. What's he doing??


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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18 hours ago, KJP said:

 

There's a blast from the past. What's he doing??

 

I can't find an MSM story, but apparently it was a literal blast, something blew up and he locked himself in a CVS bathroom.  This was Anthony.

 

Here's Pasquale (Butchie's real name)

 

https://www.news-herald.com/news/pasquale-cisternino-sentenced-for-string-of-lake-county-bank-robberies/article_b9459852-b791-11e9-9010-ff1d57902210.html

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This pic is about 15 years old, but this was Anthony Cisternino back then. From the old clevelandmob.com archives....

Cisternino Anthony J.jpg


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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Awful....

 


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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On 10/8/2019 at 9:21 AM, KJP said:

This pic is about 15 years old, but this was Anthony Cisternino back then. From the old clevelandmob.com archives....

Cisternino Anthony J.jpg

 

Those two would likely be highly placed if their dad had lived, he was one of the younger made men IIRC.   It's very unlikely they would have ended up on drugs.

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"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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