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ClevelandOhio, can you generate that same list for robberies only? I'm curious to see how flawed the FBI stats are

 

My thought is "define violent crime".  A lot of assaults and such get pled down to disorderly conduct.

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^^^ For Cleveland I have a different source which I calculated to be 13.63. Cleveland is a large area so you can expect some areas to be much higher, and some to be much lower.

 

ClevelandOhio, can you generate that same list for robberies only? I'm curious to see how flawed the FBI stats are

 

Sure. I guess Cleveland Heights is a bit higher on the list than I would have expected. One thing to note is that these are raw numbers, so population is not accounted for. With that said, I still believe Cleveland Heights would be near the top.

 

It is also interesting to note how some cities(mostly middle ring suburbs) with higher crime rates dropped dramatically in the robberies list. They make up for the lack of robberies with assaults.

 

East Cleveland - 174

Maple Heights - 67

Euclid - 93

Lorain - 147

University Heights - 11

Eastlake - 2

North Olmsted - 3

Amherst - 6

Shaker Heights - 20

Lakewood - 49

Chagrin Falls - 0

Westlake - 2

Cleveland Heights - 68

Chardon - 1

Mentor - 21

Parma - 44

Rocky River - 3

Beachwood - 5

Solon - 9

Strongsville - 6

Avon - 7

Willoughby - 3

 

 

Robberies highest to lowest

East Cleveland - 174

Lorain - 147

Euclid - 93

Cleveland Heights - 68

Maple Heights - 67

Lakewood - 49

Parma - 44

South Euclid - 24

Warrensville Heights - 21

Mentor - 21

Shaker Heights - 20

University Heights - 11

Solon - 9

Avon - 7

Amherst - 6

Strongsville - 6

Beachwood - 5

North Olmsted - 3

Rocky River - 3

Willoughby - 3

Eastlake - 2

Westlake - 2

Chardon - 1

Chagrin Falls - 0

 

ClevelandOhio, can you generate that same list for robberies only? I'm curious to see how flawed the FBI stats are

 

My thought is "define violent crime".  A lot of assaults and such get pled down to disorderly conduct.

 

Murder, Rape, Agg Robbery, and Assault.

 

Cleveland Heights does have a surprisingly low number for assaults for its size and other crime stats.

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^Perhaps, but let's just assume that the description was a black man, light-skinned, 5'10, 185 lbs, in his late 20's.  That describes more than a few people I know to a tee.

 

Why even report that they were male? That describes even more people!

 

Don't stop there.  While we're dumbing it down, why not gripe about the fact that the article makes clear the suspect is a human and not some Bigfoot passing through town.  (No offense to anybody who goes on Bigfoot hunts)

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The crime reporting has nothing to do with court proceedings, so I don't think plea bargains affect the classifications at all. Much more significant is how the police department in the jurisdiction chooses to classify the reported crime- the FBI promulgates criteria, but there's obviously a bit of subjectivity for some incidents.

 

ClevelandOhio, just to confirm, these are FBI UCR data? Did you pull them straight from the FBI or through a third party web site?

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And with that, Cleveland Scene just sent viral (at least among the exurban crowd who can identify with the 'panziness' of the French minister) some idiotic message which probably would not have caught the attention of more than 5 people.

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Seems like the metro area has had an inordinate amount of gunplay this past week

 

“The metro area” is a bit overgeneral. 

 

The stories I’ve heard lately involve bars, after 1am, in the city itself or parts of the inner ring suburbs.    Oh yeah, they all at least sound like they cater to a certain subculture.

 

Not to a certain race.  More often than not, my post 1am crowd is predominantly black.  But we don’t even have fights, let alone over the top nonsense like this .  Grumbling about closing time, yes.  But not anger or violence.

 

Of course, we have a pretty low tolerance for stupidity and so does BPD…

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I actually had in mind some day-time shootings, seemingly random attempted/botched robberies, the apparent drug related shootout in Euclid, in addition to the incidents reported outside bars/clubs.  It's almost like the type of spikes we see when the weather gets warmer.

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I actually had in mind some day-time shootings, seemingly random attempted/botched robberies, the apparent drug related shootout in Euclid, in addition to the incidents reported outside bars/clubs.  It's almost like the type of spikes we see when the weather gets warmer.

 

Good point, the drug trade related stuff seems to have ticked up a bit as well.

 

Another one right about closing time on W. 25th street overnight just after 2am.  My first thought was "bar closing" but it was too far north, up in Lakeview Terrace (the old "Angle"  Irish neighborhood).

 

And another, in the Cleveland crime thread.  Not only a bar, but a familiar one.

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Well that (armed robbery outside Katz Club) sure isn't a good thing...  I'm not for armed citizens, but unfortunate these two didn't get some serious, immediate consequences for their actions...:

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— Two men were charged Monday on suspicion of robbing two women at gunpoint outside the Katz Club Diner.  Willie Parker, 19, of Cleveland Heights, and Justin Artis, 22, of Cleveland, were both charged Monday with first-degree felony aggravated robbery in Cleveland Heights Municipal Court.  Neither has been arrested.  Reports say the men approached two women walking from the diner to their cars about 12:30 a.m. Saturday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/12/two_charged_with_armed_robbery.html#incart_river_default

 

 

 

 

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Well that (armed robbery outside Katz Club) sure isn't a good thing...  I'm not for armed citizens, but unfortunate these two didn't get some serious, immediate consequences for their actions...:

 

CLEVELAND HEIGHTS, Ohio— Two men were charged Monday on suspicion of robbing two women at gunpoint outside the Katz Club Diner.  Willie Parker, 19, of Cleveland Heights, and Justin Artis, 22, of Cleveland, were both charged Monday with first-degree felony aggravated robbery in Cleveland Heights Municipal Court.  Neither has been arrested.  Reports say the men approached two women walking from the diner to their cars about 12:30 a.m. Saturday.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/12/two_charged_with_armed_robbery.html#incart_river_default

 

 

 

 

 

Pathetic. Justin Artis did the same thing last year and probably has done it a lot more just not getting caught. Why do we do NOTHING?!!!

 

http://clevelandheights.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/armed-robbery-suspect-arrested-c9cd4b7c

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^From his past court records, it looks as if he is mentally ill.  Medication and mental health counseling were included in his sentence.  The 4 year sentence which was suspended will now be imposed for that crime and he will get whatever he gets for this crime.  I'll bet the cops knew exactly who they were looking for, which helped quickly solve this one.

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And another shooting death in Maple Heights.  A teenager.

 

I mentioned a while back to expect to see more of this in those parts.....  Sure enough the last shooting death in Maple Heights was a mere 2 weeks ago.  http://fox8.com/2013/12/08/18-year-old-shot-to-death-in-maple-heights/

 

 

Yeah. I grew up in Maple Heights and they had a rate of about a murder a decade, it seemed.  I recall one day, probably in the mid 1970s, when the cops shot two people in separate incidents:  the first two they ever shot.  The first incident included the first ever shooting of an MHPD cop (he recovered).

 

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I have a hard time believing that crime is spiraling out of control in Cleveland Heights, but there certainly does seem to be a number of high profile incidents in recent weeks/months really making the city look bad in the local press.  Anyone have any insight or thoughts?

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I don't know if crime rates are going up in the suburbs, but the types of crimes are getting pretty ballsy IMHO. An example......

 

Westlake church has experienced four break-ins in the last two months

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2013/12/westlake_church_has_experience.html


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I don't know if crime rates are going up in the suburbs, but the types of crimes are getting pretty ballsy IMHO. An example......

 

Westlake church has experienced four break-ins in the last two months

http://www.cleveland.com/westlake/index.ssf/2013/12/westlake_church_has_experience.html

 

It seems like crime is up everywhere. What's going on?! The worst part is that every story the suspect should already be in jail from past offenses.

 

The robberies in Lakewood, and Cleveland Heights, the break ins and tire stealing in Ohio City, and more shootings this year downtown.

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Some actual data would be more informative than all the recent wailing about how crime just MUST be on the rise.

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I have a hard time believing that crime is spiraling out of control in Cleveland Heights, but there certainly does seem to be a number of high profile incidents in recent weeks/months really making the city look bad in the local press.  Anyone have any insight or thoughts?

 

Also a lot of arrests.  I haven't tried matching all the reported robberies to arrests, but many seem to have been solved quickly, which surprised me somewhat:

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/12/trio_of_teens_arrested_in_conn.html

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/12/boy_16_arrested_in_attack_and.html

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/12/two_charged_with_armed_robbery.html

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cleveland-heights/index.ssf/2013/10/cleveland_heights_police_make_3.html

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This story in the most recent issue of rolling stone.  Really good read about Camden NJ.

 

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalypse-new-jersey-a-dispatch-from-americas-most-desperate-town-20131211

 

This graf is apropos to this discussion

 

"That's the crazy thing about this city. The Camden story was originally a controversial political effort to isolate urban crime and slash municipal spending by moving political power out of dying nonwhite cities. And they do it, this radical restructuring backed by the best in Baghdad-style security technology, and for a second or two it looks like it's working – only the whole thing might be rendered moot in the end by the collapse of the rest of America. All over the country, we've been so busy arguing over who's productive and who isn't that we might not be noticing that the whole ship is going down. There's no lesson in any of it, just a giant mess that still isn't cleaned up."

 

Meth use in rural areas, Heroin/Prescription drug use in the suburbs.  The hopelessness is everywhere, it wont be "fixed" soon.  People with nothing AND no hope of ever achieving anything....destroy.  Themselves, their families, their communities.  It will get worse before it gets better.

 

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"Its the economy stupid!"

 

As the middle class shrinks, you'll see more and more Camdens around the country.  Cleveland has several candidates....

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Uncertainty or perhaps willful blindness to the investigatory records exception is hardly limited to CH - http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/your-right-to-know/2013/11/incident-reports.html.  The above PID article is a bit misleading, IMO, about the reach of the Supreme Court's decisions on this issue.  There still is a case-by-case analysis which must be employed prior to declaring the report a public record.  As usual, the media and law enforcement are at opposite extremes in terms of determining the law on this issue.  The media wants everything right away.... no exceptions.  Law enforcement wants to limit their immediate disclosure requirements as much as possible.

 

FWIW, it seems like the PD is correct in this specific case.

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I am not sure if there is indeed a spike in crime in CH.  But there certainly seems to be a big spike in non-CH residents committing crimes in CH.  It seems, lately, that more than half of the people arrested are from either Cleveland or EC.

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I am not sure if there is indeed a spike in crime in CH.  But there certainly seems to be a big spike in non-CH residents committing crimes in CH.  It seems, lately, that more than half of the people arrested are from either Cleveland or EC.

 

Hasn't that always been the case?

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I am not sure if there is indeed a spike in crime in CH.  But there certainly seems to be a big spike in non-CH residents committing crimes in CH.  It seems, lately, that more than half of the people arrested are from either Cleveland or EC.

 

I noticed ever since the Plain Dealer cuts, the paper has been strongly reporting every incident in Cleveland Heights. Specifically Adam Ferrise seems to writing all of these articles.

 

Im not sure if crime is up, or if Cleveland.com is desperate for page views. Crime sells. Oddly enough, crime is often ignored in other suburbs and even in popular city neighborhoods. This writer seems to have it out for Cleveland Heights.

 

Its still unfortunate that these crimes are being committed and it doesn't matter where the people live. If it happens it Cleveland Heights, it affects Cleveland Heights.

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^Judging from the comments (dangerous, I know), the Heights crime stories seems to be major click bait.  They also seem to bring out some of the most blatantly racist trolls.

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Whoa - you're right.  I just searched for the stories he's recently written and it reads like a civil war is happening in the near east side neighborhoods.

 

I think some Cleveland Heights kids beat him up when he was a kid or something.

 

Check them out his latest stuff here:

http://connect.cleveland.com/staff/adamferrise/posts.html

 

 

*Note: Maybe he's assigned solely to cover crime in the near east suburbs?  That's the only thing that makes sense given his laser focus on the issue.  I'm assuming no dedication previously existed under the Plain Dealer.

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I am not sure if there is indeed a spike in crime in CH.  But there certainly seems to be a big spike in non-CH residents committing crimes in CH.  It seems, lately, that more than half of the people arrested are from either Cleveland or EC.

 

Hasn't that always been the case?

 

Perhaps.  But when I was more "in tune" with who was doing what, it didn't seem that way.  It was taken as an insult if some Cleveland or EC kids came up starting trouble..... such as the group of Shaw students who had their car tipped over in the parking lot behind Cedar-Lee circa 1995.  I recall a kid when I was in HS who had robbed a bank right near the HS and then ran back across the street and went to class like nothing happened.  There were probably more shootings back then too involving CH kids.

 

 

^Judging from the comments (dangerous, I know), the Heights crime stories seems to be major click bait.  They also seem to bring out some of the most blatantly racist trolls.

 

Let me guess - "how's that diversity thingy workin' out for ya, Cleveland Heights!"

 

It never fails.

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^Plenty of that, yes, but some even wore stuff recently.  I mean really beyond the pale stuff, like wishing slavery hasn't been abolished. The cess pool in the Cleveland.com commenter community is pretty deep.

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Cleveland Heights is a lightning rod for a number of reasons.  Many of the conservative Cleveland.bomb posters love to revel in any negative attention the city receives that they believe can be attributed to the city's policies.  Then you have your run-of-the-mill exurbanite that has been pulled over by the CHPD while commuting through the city (some even admit to breaking traffic laws but are still bitter).

 

While the comments on Cleveland.bomb are definitely extreme, I do worry that all of this attention is worsening perception of Cleveland Heights, which is unfortunate, because the city of is still one of Greater Cleveland's true gems and if it is allowed to decline significantly more than it has in the past 15-20 years it will be a real loss for the region.  I say that not only because I grew up in the area, but also because I truly believe that and feel the same way about other similar neighborhoods/cities like Shaker Heights, Shaker Square, Lakewood, etc.

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So.... do inner ring liberals actually LIKE being held up at gunpoint in diner parking lots? Or jumped and beaten coming home from the library...? Or robbed of their iPhone or computer on the way home from school, in broad daylight?  And when they do - how do they describe the culprits --- as old, white ladies? Well, that's the way it sounds - since suburban conservatives are being called out as alarmist, scared, racist whiners who are making something of nothing...

 

I don't live in an inner-ring suburb...  I know little about Cleveland Heights past policies - or the apparent hatred of the police for their ticket focus..

 

What I DO know, plain and simple, is that when I go for dinner and a movie on Lee, or my wife goes to pick up a few gifts on Coventry, or when my teen daughter goes alone to dance lessons near Cain Park - we shouldn't have to worry about one of us getting a gun stuck in our backs by culprits of all-to-similar backgrounds... I don't think that's too much to ask...  And while we've not curtailed our trips to the area,  I DO think that being concerned/wary is legit... This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland Heights!

 

If Cleveland.com chooses to report these stories (and coverups) - and, in turn, we're all better off for it.. so be it.. It's unfortunate that some are taking those reports - and the sameness of the suspects - offensively... - or finding it an opportunity to bash those who don't share the same political views or urban lifestyle... (not sure what either of those matters...)

 

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Whoa - you're right.  I just searched for the stories he's recently written and it reads like a civil war is happening in the near east side neighborhoods.

 

I think some Cleveland Heights kids beat him up when he was a kid or something.

 

Check them out his latest stuff here:

http://connect.cleveland.com/staff/adamferrise/posts.html

 

 

*Note: Maybe he's assigned solely to cover crime in the near east suburbs?  That's the only thing that makes sense given his laser focus on the issue.  I'm assuming no dedication previously existed under the Plain Dealer.

 

It may just be as simple as him having a contact in the CHPD. Many media love covering crime stories because they don't have to do any research. They can rip-and-read from police reports and, for the broadcast media, the 911 tapes are always good theater. Remember the first rule of news -- if it bleeds, it leads.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Cleveland Heights is a lightning rod for a number of reasons.  Many of the conservative Cleveland.bomb posters love to revel in any negative attention the city receives that they believe can be attributed to the city's policies.  Then you have your run-of-the-mill exurbanite that has been pulled over by the CHPD while commuting through the city (some even admit to breaking traffic laws but are still bitter).

 

I agree, and would add a kind of historical jealousy in an older city like Cleveland. If you lived all your life in more of a blue collar burb...places like Cleveland Hts, University Hts and Shaker Hts were at one time the top of the heap, and maybe as a kid you were jealous of those places and that your family couldn't afford to live there. For some reason people love to try and drag down the once high and mighty. You see it when something bad happens at Beachwood Place, or when Tower City was going down, those who couldn't afford to shop there love to relish in the fact that something bad happens or that it's going downhill. The older person who grew up in Maple Heights, Euclid, Parma (etc) and bashes the wealthier Heights, but secretly wished they had grown up there is what I picture as some of the Cleveland.com posters.

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Suspected Homicide in Cleveland Heights

 

Cleveland Heights Police are reporting a suspected homicide that happened Thursday, December 19. Randall P. Trefzger, a 58-year old male, was found dead at 2417 Derbyshire Rd.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24270658/suspected-homicide-in-cleveland-heights

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Cleveland Heights is a lightning rod for a number of reasons.  Many of the conservative Cleveland.bomb posters love to revel in any negative attention the city receives that they believe can be attributed to the city's policies.  Then you have your run-of-the-mill exurbanite that has been pulled over by the CHPD while commuting through the city (some even admit to breaking traffic laws but are still bitter).

 

I agree, and would add a kind of historical jealousy in an older city like Cleveland. If you lived all your life in more of a blue collar burb...places like Cleveland Hts, University Hts and Shaker Hts were at one time the top of the heap, and maybe as a kid you were jealous of those places and that your family couldn't afford to live there. For some reason people love to try and drag down the once high and mighty. You see it when something bad happens at Beachwood Place, or when Tower City was going down, those who couldn't afford to shop there love to relish in the fact that something bad happens or that it's going downhill. The older person who grew up in Maple Heights, Euclid, Parma (etc) and bashes the wealthier Heights, but secretly wished they had grown up there is what I picture as some of the Cleveland.com posters.

 

Back in the days when places like Parma, northern(?) Euclid and west Maple Heights (yes, Maple Heights) were aggressively all white, there was probably a perception among some that the relative success of Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights in absorbing a middle class black population was held up as somewhat idealistic refutation of the concern that integration would bring in the kinds of problems that, well....it more or less led to. 

 

Among those people, they see the decline of CH as the chickens coming home to roost, or a sort of karma.  I strongly disagree with this view myself, but it's out there.

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So.... do inner ring liberals actually LIKE being held up at gunpoint in diner parking lots? Or jumped and beaten coming home from the library...? Or robbed of their iPhone or computer on the way home from school, in broad daylight?  And when they do - how do they describe the culprits --- as old, white ladies? Well, that's the way it sounds - since suburban conservatives are being called out as alarmist, scared, racist whiners who are making something of nothing... 

 

 

What exactly is this in response to?

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Suspected Homicide in Cleveland Heights

 

Cleveland Heights Police are reporting a suspected homicide that happened Thursday, December 19. Randall P. Trefzger, a 58-year old male, was found dead at 2417 Derbyshire Rd.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24270658/suspected-homicide-in-cleveland-heights

 

That is in the nicer section of CH. Not good.

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Suspected Homicide in Cleveland Heights

 

Cleveland Heights Police are reporting a suspected homicide that happened Thursday, December 19. Randall P. Trefzger, a 58-year old male, was found dead at 2417 Derbyshire Rd.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24270658/suspected-homicide-in-cleveland-heights

 

That is in the nicer section of CH. Not good.

 

One can be considered an aberration, pending investigation.

 

Much like the killing of Sharon Anderson-Norfus said a lot more about Maple than Shaker....

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So.... do inner ring liberals actually LIKE being held up at gunpoint in diner parking lots? Or jumped and beaten coming home from the library...? Or robbed of their iPhone or computer on the way home from school, in broad daylight?  And when they do - how do they describe the culprits --- as old, white ladies? Well, that's the way it sounds - since suburban conservatives are being called out as alarmist, scared, racist whiners who are making something of nothing... 

 

 

What exactly is this in response to?

 

One of the strawmen he loves to argue with.

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Back in the days when places like Parma, northern(?) Euclid and west Maple Heights (yes, Maple Heights) were aggressively all white, there was probably a perception among some that the relative success of Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights in absorbing a middle class black population was held up as somewhat idealistic refutation of the concern that integration would bring in the kinds of problems that, well....it more or less led to. 

 

I know many people hold this view, but I disagree.  There definitely are more problems in Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights than "back in the good old days," but I don't see why people think historical integration had anything to do with it.  There has been an "outflux" of crime from the city everywhere for quite a while now.  Obviously, cities like Maple Heights, Garfield Heights, Euclid, Bedford, Parma, East Cleveland, etc. have seen the effects of it, and it's not like they were known for historical integration.  I would say that if anything, CH's and SH's willingness to integrate staved off problems for longer, as the increased demand from people with jobs and money (both black and white) kept the neighborhoods stable much longer than the suburbs where the white people fled at first sight of a black person, causing property values to instantly fall and neighborhoods to decay.  Unfortunately, sprawling development has made increased blight almost inevitable in all inner ring and inner city areas.  Some have just fought it off better than others, and I'd put CH and SH in the "fighting it off fairly well" category.

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Suspected Homicide in Cleveland Heights

 

Cleveland Heights Police are reporting a suspected homicide that happened Thursday, December 19. Randall P. Trefzger, a 58-year old male, was found dead at 2417 Derbyshire Rd.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24270658/suspected-homicide-in-cleveland-heights

 

That is in the nicer section of CH. Not good.

 

One can be considered an aberration, pending investigation.

 

Much like the killing of Sharon Anderson-Norfus said a lot more about Maple than Shaker....

 

This is upsetting, but I agree, ERocc.  We need to wait to find out what happened first before going all cleveland.bomb on here.

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Suspected Homicide in Cleveland Heights

 

Cleveland Heights Police are reporting a suspected homicide that happened Thursday, December 19. Randall P. Trefzger, a 58-year old male, was found dead at 2417 Derbyshire Rd.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24270658/suspected-homicide-in-cleveland-heights

 

That is in the nicer section of CH. Not good.

 

One of the MANY 'nicer' sections of CH..... but very close to the borders of Cleveland and EC, as well as probably the worst part of CH.  Let's wait on this one.  The PD reporter (perhaps deliberately) makes it sound like the guy was found on the street.  Other reports suggest he was found inside his home.  And for those who like the LI conspiracy theories, this part of CH is where a lot of the.... ummmmm.... more succesful LI businessmen live. 

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Sounds like CH is turning into East Cleveland...

 

Take it to Cleveland.bomb my man.  People come here to avoid the nonsensical commentary.

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