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From a Gov. Strickland press release.......

 

For Immediate Release:                                            Contact: Amanda Wurst

Thursday, December 9, 2010                                       614 644-0957/614 832-7512

                                                                                    Amanda.Wurst@governor.ohio.gov

 

 

Ohios Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs

 

Columbus, OH Ohio Governor Ted Strickland today expressed his deep disappointment that Ohios rail funds will be given to other states as a result of Governor-elect John Kasichs strong opposition to Ohios passenger rail plan. 

 

In a phone conversation today, Secretary LaHood informed the governor that, based on his conversations with Kasich, the bulk of Ohios $400 million will be sent to California and Florida.  Washington State, Illinois and other states are also expected to benefit.

 

Today is one of the saddest days during my four years as governor, Strickland said.  Because I see jobs leaving Ohio, I see resources leaving Ohio, I see vital infrastructure leaving Ohio.  And I see other states being enriched by resources that would otherwise have created thousands of new jobs, revitalized our cities and helped keep our young people in Ohio.  I cant understand the logic of giving up these vital, job-creating resources to California and Florida at a time when so many Ohioans need jobs.

 

Ohio competed against other states and won $400 million based on the strength of Ohios plan to restore passenger rail to the most densely populated corridor in the country without passenger rail, the Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati, or 3C-D, corridor.  Strickland offered to work closely with the U.S. Department of Transportation to wrap up the current passenger rail study currently underway.

 

I fear that history will show that this one, uninformed decision will be looked upon with regret by future generations of Ohioans, Strickland said.

 

--30--

 

With all due respect Governor, perhaps if you had fought harder for your initiative BEFORE the election.....

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This whole ordeal shows what is wrong with the american political system today.  Obstructionism is used as much as it can be and not getting things done is seen as preferable to anything happening that makes an opponent look good.  I may be biased but I would have to say that most of this is coming from the Republican side although Democrats are guilty to some extent too.  Today's politicians care far more about getting elected than doing anything useful, all common sense is thrown out if it will win them one more vote.  Partisanship is at an all time high and with no compromise nothing is getting done.  Ok, I am done with my rant but I just feel that the Kasich/3-c ordeal is a sign of bigger structural government problems.

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Kind of a shame about Ohio; that link between Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland is a natural.

 

Oh, well...Republicans being what they are, of course they would work to make Big Oil happy in the now and so condemn the people of Ohio forevermore.

 

It ain't like oil is a fixed cost...even if it doesn't run out, demand and the speculation of those few whose liquidity benefits from the Republicans' wealth redistribution policy of "flood-up/trickle-down" economics will ensure that the price of commuting between those cities becomes prohibitive.

 

The problem with putting Republicans into office is that the ones who were great businessmen and visionaries? The ones who built things to last?

 

They're all dead; all the Republicans have now are myopic grifters.

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/09/105057/california-to-get-high-speed-rail.html#ixzz17g2ddrUJ

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From a Gov. Strickland press release.......

 

For Immediate Release: Contact: Amanda Wurst

Thursday, December 9, 2010 614 644-0957/614 832-7512

Amanda.Wurst@governor.ohio.gov

 

 

Ohios Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs

 

Columbus, OH Ohio Governor Ted Strickland today expressed his deep disappointment that Ohios rail funds will be given to other states as a result of Governor-elect John Kasichs strong opposition to Ohios passenger rail plan.

 

In a phone conversation today, Secretary LaHood informed the governor that, based on his conversations with Kasich, the bulk of Ohios $400 million will be sent to California and Florida. Washington State, Illinois and other states are also expected to benefit.

 

Today is one of the saddest days during my four years as governor, Strickland said. Because I see jobs leaving Ohio, I see resources leaving Ohio, I see vital infrastructure leaving Ohio. And I see other states being enriched by resources that would otherwise have created thousands of new jobs, revitalized our cities and helped keep our young people in Ohio. I cant understand the logic of giving up these vital, job-creating resources to California and Florida at a time when so many Ohioans need jobs.

 

Ohio competed against other states and won $400 million based on the strength of Ohios plan to restore passenger rail to the most densely populated corridor in the country without passenger rail, the Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati, or 3C-D, corridor. Strickland offered to work closely with the U.S. Department of Transportation to wrap up the current passenger rail study currently underway.

 

I fear that history will show that this one, uninformed decision will be looked upon with regret by future generations of Ohioans, Strickland said.

 

--30--

 

With all due respect Governor, perhaps if you had fought harder for your initiative BEFORE the election.....

 

I would have to agree with this statement.  Strickland should have pressed this issue during the election and done a better job of properly informing the public with the right facts. 

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Agreed....and add to that...so should the media we lack, had done. But the next question is where do we go from here? Its all certainly worth fighting for.

 

We build up a supporting base for this kind of project. Elect officials who support rail, amongst many other things. Elect uncorrupt citizens and await the doubling of oil prices by 2015. And when we want to gloat over the naysayers, we have to continue to push for change. 

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You know, I caught a lot of flack for voting for Strickland. He was the first Democrat I voted for. I'm not a big fan of him, but every tim Kasich opens his mouth, I feel glad I made that decision despite the outcome. No thanks Johnny boy.

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Nice to know Ohio's $$$$ are finding good homes.....you're welcome Senator Durbin.

 

http://durbin.senate.gov/showRelease.cfm?releaseId=328933

 

Durbin Announces $42.3 Million in Additional High Speed Rail Funding for Illinois

 

Thursday, December 9, 2010

 

Funding rejected by Ohio and Wisconsin will improve Chicago to St. Louis route

 

[WASHINGTON, D.C.] – U.S. Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) today announced that Illinois will receive $42.3 million in additional high speed rail funding to finance track and other improvements on the Chicago to St. Louis corridor. Earlier today the Secretary of the Department of Transportation, Ray LaHood, reprogrammed a total of $1.2 billion in funding that was rejected by the incoming governors of Ohio and Wisconsin.

 

“Illinois will be able to use this funding to break ground on projects that were included in the state’s application for high speed rail along the Chicago to St. Louis corridor, but not funded earlier this year,” said Durbin. “Improvements to the route will decrease travel times even further and create jobs that our state badly needs.”

 

Durbin, a member of the Senate Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, announced in January that more than $1.2 billion in federal high speed rail funding was allocated for the Chicago to St. Louis corridor. Durbin has worked closely with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Federal Railroad Administrator Joe Szabo, Amtrak Board Chairman Tom Carper, Members of the Illinois Congressional Delegation and others to make high speed rail a reality in Illinois.

 

In October, Durbin and Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) announced that $230 million in federal funding was awarded for a new Amtrak route between Chicago and Iowa City through the Quad Cities. The project – scheduled for completion in 2015 – will create 588 jobs per year for the first four years of design and construction. Once initiated, the new service is expected to increase business activity at $25 million per year. Durbin also supports the State of Illinois’ plan to extend Amtrak service from Chicago to Rockford and the Quad Cities.

 

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Maine, Vt. to get more rail project funding

The Associated Press

 

 

MONTPELIER, Vt. — Passenger rail projects in Maine and Vermont are going to be getting another financial boost from the federal government.

 

The U.S. Department of Transportation has $1.2 billion in stimulus funding that had been intended for high-speed rail projects in Wisconsin and Ohio. But those states don't want to move forward with the projects.

 

Read more at: http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-Vt-to-get-more-rail-project-funding-.html

 

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Lumps of coal for the 3C and sugarplums for the golden states as jobs and commerce set for high-speed departure from Ohio

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Thursday, December 9, 2010

CONTACT:  Jack Shaner, Ohio Environmental Council Jack@theOEC.org (614) 446-1693

 

Reaction of OEC Deputy Director Jack Shaner to today’s announcement by the Federal Railroad Administration that it plans to redirect Ohio’s $400 million award to other states, in keeping with Ohio Governor-Elect John Kasich’s vow to kill the 3C train:

 

“Tonight, a lonely train whistle will sound across Ohio, signaling the high-speed departure of jobs and development and other valuable cargo, outbound to enrich other states.

 

“The anti-public transportation crowd can sleep tight tonight, smug and secure that the 3C line may continue to carry only lumps of coal and freight for the foreseeable future while other states’ transportation stockings get stuffed with millions of dollars of investment.

 

“The Buckeyes may rule the gridiron, but the Buckeye State just fumbled away a $400 million investment opportunity.  Commerce, convenient travel, and energy conservation –that’s the real 3Cs that Ohio turned over today.

 

“There may yet be one last glimmer of hope.  The Dayton Daily News reported today (http://bit.ly/em8xpo) about a possible effort by private investors and local governments to fund and operate the 3C train.  Such locally-led, public-private partnerships exist in California and Minnesota.

 

“For that to happen, Ohio needs to complete the engineering studies on the 3C.  This will give definitive, detailed information about speed, ridership, revenue and costs and benefits.  That, in turn, will better enable local governments and prospective private investors to make well-informed decisions about whether and how to move forward.

 

”We urge all involved to give this one last chance a try.”

 

 

Jack Shaner

Deputy Director and Senior Director of Legislative and Public Affairs

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So I'm listening to NPR this am, and who do I hear, but our own regional rail expert! Nice interview with our own KJP on NPR this morning. (he's on about 2 minutes in)

 

Federal Government Pulls Rail Service Money

 

The federal government is pulling the millions of dollars it has given Ohio to establish passenger rail service here because it's clear incoming Republican Governor John Kasich won't support the plan. The feds say the money that's been set aside for Ohio will now go to other states. But one group that's been pushing for the train says it's not taking "no" for an answer, yet. Ohio Public Radio's Jo Ingles reports.

 

 

 

http://www.wcpn.org/WCPN/news/37348

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And Ohio makes the New York Times....for all the wrong reasons...

 

More U.S. Rail Funds for 13 States as 2 Reject Aid

By MICHAEL COOPER

 

Ohio and Wisconsin’s loss of $1.2 billion in federal stimulus money for rail projects will be California, Florida and 11 other states’ gain.

 

Ohio and Wisconsin sought and won the stimulus money this year to build new rail lines to create jobs, ease traffic and help the environment. But both states elected new Republican governors last month who vowed to kill the train projects, arguing that they were boondoggles that would require annual state subsidies to operate.

 

Now both states, which have been hit hard by the economic downturn, are losing the money. The federal Department of Transportation announced Thursday that it was rescinding the $810 million that had been awarded to Wisconsin to build a train line from Milwaukee to Madison, and the $385 million that was awarded to Ohio to build a train line linking Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland.

 

Full story at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/us/10rail.html?_r=1&ref=us

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Guest Column in the Plain Dealer from Gov. Strickland.... good points, but (again) why didn't he stand up this stongly during a tight campaign race when he had the chance to win it?

 

Ohio's outgoing governor defends high-speed rail: Ted Strickland

Published: Friday, December 10, 2010, 7:00 AM

Plain Dealer guest columnist

 

By Ted Strickland

 

Columbus -- Ohio fought hard against other states to win this $400 million award in order to create jobs and economic opportunity in our state. Because so much incomplete and inaccurate information has developed around this project, it's important to separate myths from facts:

 

Myth No. 1: The Ohio trains would run at 39 mph.

 

Fact: The 3C&D "Quick Start" would be a 79 mph train. In fact, the train would run at 79 mph for 70 percent of a trip from Cleveland to Cincinnati. This 79-mph system would provide the foundation for a higher-speed system, allowing speeds to be increased incrementally, over time, as has been done in other states. Top speeds initially will be limited to 79 mph, but speeds could be increased to up to 90 mph for much of the trip between Cleveland and Columbus, based on Ohio's memorandum of understanding with CSX.

 

 

Full column at: http://blog.cleveland.com/opinion_impact/print.html?entry=/2010/12/ohios_outgoing_governor_defend.html

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Martin Gottlieb: 3C salvage effort can’t save Ohio from itself

By the Dayton Daily News | Thursday, December 9, 2010, 06:16 PM

 

The most recent efforts to save the 3C passenger train always had certain aspects of a Hail Mary pass. That’s the football maneuver whereby a team that needs a touchdown in the last few seconds of a game tries a pass that’s so long the chances for success are minimal.

 

And yet, the pass metaphor isn’t quite right. The 3C salvage effort wasn’t really one long pass. It was a bunch of small efforts, each of which had to work out. And each — standing alone — seemed more or less doable.

 

The problem at hand was, of course, that Gov.-elect John Kasich

 

Full column at: http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/opinion/entries/2010/12/09/martin_gottlieb_3c_salvage_eff.html?cxtype=feedbot

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The whole scenario makes me want to support what little rail we DO have even more, even if I have to stand out in freexzing weather waitj ng for Amtrak at 3:00 AM.

 

 

Still, all the propaganda surrounding this is saying all is a dead deal for Ohio. HOW, when he is not technically even Governor yet, can this happen soooo quickly, after how long it has taken to build this campaign and all surrounding it? It seems really odd that since and while other states are salivating at the chance to get this money, we suddenly see a myriad of articles and press releases saying that they will get it. Is there no time for appeal? Discussion, etc? It all seems odd and shady. It seems that All Aboard Ohio has indicated that its not over 'til its over...and we still see the press we are seeing....and the article above, appears just now? What in the HELL is going on?

 

 

Yes, I see it now...while other states develop rail and move forward environmentally, socially, and economically..... and oil prices increase, Ohio markets and people are bypassed leaving the state in a downward decline. That thought is sickening. For goodness sakes, there was more of a media covered and noticeable effort in Cleveland, for example, to keep LeBron James here and build a casino. The priorities really seem mixed up.

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Agreed....and add to that...so should the media we lack, had done. But the next question is where do we go from here? Its all certainly worth fighting for.

 

Push for the formation of a 3C Joint Powers Authority which can be created by each participating entity passing interlocal agreements (MOUs). These can be municipalities, counties, transit authorities, port authorities, etc.

 

http://freepdfhosting.com/bd173f3a6e.pdf

 

For examples of other JPAs, check out:

 

www.capitolcorridor.org/

www.northernlightsexpress.org/

 

The first priority of the JPA is to keep the $14.9 million USDOT preliminary engineering grant here in Ohio and in force for Ohio's 3C Corridor.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Good start. So frustrating.....Maybe when the Iraqi Dinar re-evaluates there will be enough money in the global economy to stimulate a private development of this here and right a lot of wrongs. A friend of mine who is really familiar with this seems to think so. I am in no way in a knowledgeable position to explain it as he could though, but what he said really made sense, or so I'd like to believe. Its obvious we have no leadership, well informed minds or vision on this initiative from a Governor position. Just grasping at straws here. I have little clue about this currency thing.

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I don't think it is really so much of an Ohio thing...although this certainly makes it look like it. I was indicating just that in several earlier posts when I was fuming..... Rather, I have gotten the feeling that a big part of this is a media that greatly under-provides the facts to the public.

 

Its loyalty is to those who pay their bills/sponsors...and NOT to properly informing the public at large. We live in a political environment where some chose to alter the facts to fit their opinions, rather than alter their opinions to fit the facts. "Fair and Balanced" does not mean factual and accurate. But this is the norm for the mainstream media country-wide, though.

 

If we had a truly "liberal media" as often as people like Rush spew we do, you'd be seeing this Kasich kills rail thing on expose shows and prints continuously, hammering him with hard core questions and demanding accountability, exposing the facts from fictions.

 

When you don't have the right information disseminated, you get a poorly informed public at large. It leaves one's self to seek it out.... as it surely isn't coming to them from the boob tube media. Naturally, this is just my opinion!  :wink:

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Memo to: Governor-elect Kasich

Subject: Killing the 3C Project

 

Don't look now, but the sound you'll soon be hearing is more $$$ being sucked from the wallets of Ohioans at the gasoline pumps, and when you take the oath of office in January, what answer will you have for them about why you cancelled the 3C passenger rail project and pretty much doomed any future transportation options?

 

Don't believe it?  Read this excerpt from today's USA Today...

 

"A move through $90 a barrel seems very likely, and

then we could quickly test $100," says Telvent DTN

senior energy analyst Darin Newsom. "You could

easily see a 15- to 20-cent rise (in gas prices) the

next three weeks, if not sooner."

 

Consumers are unlikely to get a break anytime soon.

"I don't see anything that's going to turn this puppy

around and send it south," says Cameron Hanover

industry analyst Peter Beutel. "For the next two to 12

weeks, the forecast is higher prices."

 

Gas prices on track for unseasonable spike

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2010-12-10-1Agasprices10_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

 

 

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3C won't be the busiest travel corridor between Midwest metro areas much longer, and the state's economy will suffer greatly for it.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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  Earlier in this thread I posted a comment about the emphasis on job creation rather than mobility, environmental benefits, or other reasons to build the 3-C.

 

    What did the press release say?

 

  "Ohio’s Rail Funds will be Given to

California, Florida, Others to Create Jobs"

 

    The real purpose of public projects is not necessarily to provide some public benefit, but to transfer wealth from one group to another.

 

    This forum, having a lot of urban planner types, tends to focus on the technical aspects of the project, when the motivations of the politicians on both sides are clearly political.

 

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The 3C had absolutely nothing to do with a purported "transfer of wealth".  Can we leave that talking point out of just this debate, if nothing else.  Next thing we know, someone will manufacture a strawman argument tying states rights into this discussion.  Or muslims.

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  Ah, but look at Kasich's next move. The media is reporting that he is going after the state's prevailing wage law. That is ALL ABOUT transfer of wealth, and furthermore, the 3-C would have been subject to Ohio's prevailing wage law.

 

    It is obvious that the 3-C is not just about transportation.

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I don't think it is really so much of an Ohio thing...although this certainly makes it look like it. I was indicating just that in several earlier posts when I was fuming..... Rather, I have gotten the feeling that a big part of this is a media that greatly under-provides the facts to the public.

 

Its loyalty is to those who pay their bills/sponsors...and NOT to properly informing the public at large. We live in a political environment where some chose to alter the facts to fit their opinions, rather than alter their opinions to fit the facts. "Fair and Balanced" does not mean factual and accurate. But this is the norm for the mainstream media country-wide, though.

 

If we had a truly "liberal media" as often as people like Rush spew we do, you'd be seeing this Kasich kills rail thing on expose shows and prints continuously, hammering him with hard core questions and demanding accountability, exposing the facts from fictions.

 

When you don't have the right information disseminated, you get a poorly informed public at large. It leaves one's self to seek it out.... as it surely isn't coming to them from the boob tube media. Naturally, this is just my opinion! :wink:

 

Agree on all points!

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Hts121 +1.

 

"Transfers of wealth" would be just taking the $400 million, giving it to the engineering firms, construction firms, municipalities, etc. who would be responsible for bringing the project to fruition and then not expecting them to build the rail line in return.  "Transfers" is generally used as a sanitized term for redistributionist/welfare programs.  The 3C is/was not a wealth transfer program.  You could be a billion-dollar engineering firm and compete for the construction contracts for it.  Once it was completed, you could be a millionaire and ride it.

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^The 3-C is less blatant than other wealth transfer programs, but it will still transfer wealth from one group to another.

 

Even if the design and construction contracts are competitively bid, it will result in a trasfer of wealth from taxpayers to the construction industry.

 

There could be a net positive or net negative benefit from this. If there is a net benefit, then the decision to build the 3-C could be said to be a good one. If there is not a net benefit, i.e. the construction industry makes a profit but no one rides it because it is too slow, then the decision could be said to be a bad one.

 

    As a contractor, the decision is swayed by who you are and what you specialize in. Most contractors would rather be a millionaire first and ride the train second. Since most contractors at present are set up to build highways, not railroads, most contractors will favor building more highways instead of rail, because it increases their chances of becoming a millionaire. (If you just spent a million dollars on a paving machine, you would prefer that your next job is a highway job, so you don't have to put the paving machine in the garage and spend another million on a cross-tie laying machine.)

 

    Thus, the highway lobby is going to lend it's support to more highways, and the rail lobby to rail. Since there a lot more highway contractors than rail contractors, (and they vote, in addition to providing other support) the highway has the advantage.

 

    Now, a balanced transportation system is better than one that favors highways exclusively. I know that, and you know that. Most of the forumers on this board know that. But the highway lobby doesn't know that, or if they do, they support highways for another reason, namely, that they just invested a million dollars in that paving machine.

 

    What is good for one is not necessarily good for all.

 

   

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The bottom line for me is, the 7th most populous state in the country will not be well be connected to a national high speed rail system. 

 

The state capitol, which is fast growing and has one of the largest universities in the US will not be connected to a national rail system.

 

A state that trends to an aging population will not be well connected to a national high speed rail system.  This irks me the most.  What an FU to all the aging tax paying Ohioans that don't have access to alternate forms of mobility.  They should all take their money and move to Florida!  Ohio doesn't care about them.

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^I think it's more the me, me, me boomers that voted for the guy...I am talking older over 70.  Most I have met still feel they have a duty to pay for things that make the country better for the next generation.  My 80 year old father has never voted down a tax levy for schools in his town...despite having sent 6 kids to private schools. 

 

They usually aren't "liberals" per se, but they lived through a massive expansion of infrastructure improvements in this country and understand the greater good IMO. 

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And Kasich's response to losing the 3C project is....?  Amazing that nothing has come from him on this yet. 

 

 

Not amazing at all.  He doesn't give a damn.  He puts on this big show quote about being "disappointed" that the $$$ can't be spent on freight rail, when the reality was that better than half the $400-million would have greatly improved a 260 mile freight rail corridor.

 

Kasich wants one trhing only....that the 3C and any other passenger rail plan should just go away. He has been that way ever since he was a Congressman and there is no reason or evidence to suggest he has changed.

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Who wants to join my train cult? We'll meet at various former sites of abandoned railroad stations in Ohio on full-moon nights, build a smoky fire with cotton waste soaked with a mixture of diesel fuel and journal oil, and sit around it and recite incantations to the train gods and sing train songs, and then we'll offer up a Republican as a sacrifice by tying him to the tracks just before the Lakeshore comes through, although there's often not much chance of figuring out what time that might be.

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