KJP 9,124 Report post Posted September 21, 2019 That's in Cudell, not Detroit-Shoreway. 1 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cleburger 542 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 10 hours ago, KJP said: That's in Cudell, not Detroit-Shoreway. Though it is the same CDC now... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 But not in the same thread.... Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthShore647 357 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) I know what I posted was from Cudell Improvement Inc., but I put it in this thread as it discussed the Lake Avenue redesign which stretches from Detroit to Clifton. This bridge was mentioned previously in this thread and is within the plans for this stretch of the Lake Ave redesign within the Detroit Shoreway CDO presentation. http://content.mindmixer.com/Live/Projects/cleveland/files/228425/2019-05-29 Lake Ave Public Mtg 2_FINAL-sm.pdf?636947533608830000 The former Statistic Planning Area (SPA) boundaries placed this section of Lake at the NS bridge in Edgewater, not Cudell. This was however changed around 2012 (along with other various neighborhood/SPA boundaries) as the new SPA borders place this triangle of land (Census tract 101101 bounded by Lake, Detroit, NS Tracks and W 85th) in Cudell. Edgewater and Cudell are however jointly overseen by the Cudell Improvement Inc., with its eastern border being W 85th. So yes, this short section of Lake Ave isn't in Detroit Shoreway according to the official borders. It is rather ~400 feet away. It also wasn't officially Cudell until revisions to the SPA borders. So even though its technically in Cudell, its seemed more fitting here as it relates to a project which is almost entirely in Detroit Shoreway and is again presented by the DS CDO. Edited September 22, 2019 by NorthShore647 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthShore647 357 Report post Posted September 22, 2019 Regardless of borders, I have a friend who was mugged on this stretch of Lake by the bridge while walking with his dad one day, requiring stitches after getting hit in the back of the head with a pistol. This was 5 or so years ago, but he still doesn’t like to walk down this stretch of Lake because of it. An improved streetscape, bridge underpass and lighting will hopefully improve both perceived/actual crime in the immediate area. If anything it'll be safer for pedestrians/cyclists which is always a win. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jws 50 Report post Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 9:34 PM, Cleburger said: Though it is the same CDC now... They're still separately governed - two independent boards, legal structures, finances, etc. They share staff through a paid agreement (Cudell Improvement essentially leases staff people from DSCDO) but it isn't necessarily an indefinite agreement. The first term is only three years, at which point they could consider further steps or fully separate again. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 The rusty box house recently sold for $450k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boxtruffles 133 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, marty15 said: The rusty box house recently sold for $450k At first glance this thing looks like a modern miniature Duck Island townhome...I don't even know what to think about it. Does it merely give the impression of being a rusty old piece of metal or is it actually an old piece of junk? Quote "We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of paradise." - ????, ??????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said: At first glance this thing looks like a modern miniature Duck Island townhome...I don't even know what to think about it. Does it merely give the impression of being a rusty old piece of metal or is it actually an old piece of junk? It’s a new build. Interior pics are https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1362-W-58th-St-Cleveland-OH-44102/33328041_zpid/ 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gg707 73 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 8 hours ago, marty15 said: The rusty box house recently sold for $450k Pretty good price for a new-ish house in a good location like that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YABO713 1,478 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, gg707 said: Pretty good price for a new-ish house in a good location like that. It's somewhat isolated in that the adjacent homes are dated. I toured it with a buddy of mine - the place was incredible. He ended up buying just down the block FWIW 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyPhoneDead 253 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 I'm sorry but the grass in front of the garage still makes no sense lol. I know it's fixable but still. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gg707 73 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: It's somewhat isolated in that the adjacent homes are dated. I toured it with a buddy of mine - the place was incredible. He ended up buying just down the block FWIW That's great for him -- location is close to a lot of fun stuff around Gordon Square. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 This Knez building turned out great. 47th & Lorain, behind Forest City Shuffleboard. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 Cent’s Pizza project at 50th & Lorain moving along. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 The next phase of the Knez project at 52nd & Franklin started up. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 Some cool infill houses at 52nd & Duke going in. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 Metrohealth’s new clinic at 49th & Lorain shaping up. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
w28th 182 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 That Knez thing is Thin-brick, don't let them fool you. 2 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, w28th said: That Knez thing is Thin-brick, don't let them fool you. That’s what association fees are for . All 5 units sold. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stpats44113 40 Report post Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, marty15 said: That’s what association fees are for . All 5 units sold. @marty15 do you live in the area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Larry1962 276 Report post Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) On 10/2/2019 at 3:24 PM, marty15 said: This Knez building turned out great. 47th & Lorain, behind Forest City Shuffleboard. This is really great that this area of Lorain Avenue is again starting to turn back into a really nice neighborhood again! Back in the 1960-70's growing up on the west side, the only highlights of this area I remember was Steve’s Hot Dogs near about West 50 & Lorain Avenue (burn down 10 years ago), a model car slot entertainment center near there, St. Ignatius High School, and later the Wendy's Restaurant... Edited October 5, 2019 by Larry1962 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 First two and last two posts of a Twitter string which ends with a link to how people can provide public input to this zoning/redevelopment process.... And 1 1 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, KJP said: First two and last two posts of a Twitter string which ends with a link to how people can provide public input to this zoning/redevelopment process.... And 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 There’s hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YO to the CLE 224 Report post Posted October 22, 2019 Hey everyone. Check this listing out...Price is quite high, but at least there's an opportunity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) There was mention that the development up and down West 78th, by the 78th Street Studios, mentioned by @KJP in a Seeds and Sprouts edition is actively being explored as well as the Knez proposed development at the foot of 81st Street is still alive. Also heard mention of the strip of townhomes behind Neal Terrace and surrounding land being targeted by a certain developer. The Walz library project I was told would be vertical, units on top of the library, as opposed to building towards Lake. Not sure how tall 40-80 units could get. The hospital building next door I believe is 7 floors. I don’t have any more to offer than that. Edited October 23, 2019 by marty15 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ML11 79 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 I stopped by the Open House for this effort and I thought it was pretty promising. I'd recommend any UO readers attend the final presentation / Open House on Friday. Among the ideas that seemed to have consensus: - Maximize density surrounding the Lake / Detroit intersection, while also improving pedestrian crossings there - Improve connectivity within the neighborhoods via cut-through streets or paths... currently difficult to access Lake Park from nearby streets for example, and limited access from north side of Lake (around 78th St Studios) to Battery Park / Edgewater Hill. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cavalier Attitude 52 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ML11 said: I stopped by the Open House for this effort and I thought it was pretty promising. I'd recommend any UO readers attend the final presentation / Open House on Friday. Among the ideas that seemed to have consensus: - Maximize density surrounding the Lake / Detroit intersection, while also improving pedestrian crossings there - Improve connectivity within the neighborhoods via cut-through streets or paths... currently difficult to access Lake Park from nearby streets for example, and limited access from north side of Lake (around 78th St Studios) to Battery Park / Edgewater Hill. When/where is the open house? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said: When/where is the open house? Was: https://thelandcode.com/2019/10/22/detroit-shoreway-cudell-charrette/ But there's another event tomorrow (Friday) evening at 6 p.m. 8301 Detroit Ave. to show what was completed this week and to get some feedback on it. I'd love to go but can't. 1 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) So I spoke with the Land Code people again today. Really a great group btw. They said while the traffic circle idea most likely isnt possible, what it’s done has caused a major, serious conversion amongst the city about reworking the Lake/Detroit intersection and making it a focal point of the neighborhood. So that was really something to feel good about. Now here’s what I’m excited about. Mainly based on The Land Code’s receptiveness to this idea. This is my Lake/Detroit option #2. It involves turning Lake Ave south, just east of the existing 5 story warehouse building and emptying Lake into Detroit at a 90 degree angle. Leaving a large, connected triangle shaped public space to be utilized and built around. While also shifting activity further west towards the hospital and future new library/apartment project. Edited October 24, 2019 by marty15 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 Any discussion about redeveloping the industrial srea north of Lake Road toward the railroad tracks, possibly with some higher density/high-rise development? 1 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, KJP said: Any discussion about redeveloping the industrial srea north of Lake Road toward the railroad tracks, possibly with some higher density/high-rise development? That was actually a big topic of conversation. Let the companies remain, that supply manufacturing jobs to neighborhood residents, or look to push it out of the way for residential/office. The vibe seemed to be to try to keep them there, but assimilate/build the neighborhood around em in a way that can mesh. There’s a lot of wasted acreage back there. There was a cool idea to install a multipurpose bike path along the northern edge/tracks from the Battery Park area over to the Lake/Clifton area. Edited October 25, 2019 by marty15 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 9,124 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 Too bad. Industry doesn't belong on the lakefront. 4 Quote "Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 Another point of focus has been development and creation of a commercial district around Lake Park on 85th. As well as complete redevelopment of the park and trying to connect it through to 83rd better. The idea is to create first floor retail in 2-4 floor structures flanking the park on 3 sides. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ML11 79 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 11 hours ago, marty15 said: That was actually a big topic of conversation. Let the companies remain, that supply manufacturing jobs to neighborhood residents, or look to push it out of the way for residential/office. The vibe seemed to be to try to keep them there, but assimilate/build the neighborhood around em in a way that can mesh. There’s a lot of wasted acreage back there. There was a cool idea to install a multipurpose bike path along the northern edge/tracks from the Battery Park area over to the Lake/Clifton area. I didn't get the sense that the sponsors necessarily agreed with suggestions that the industry should stick... it's possible they were being polite publicly to avoid derailing the original workshop into an industry vs. luxury housing debate. One mentioned that a developer (with existing ties to neighborhood) has already assembled land down West 78th street that could be a first phase of new residential. The northern-most part of the site - where there is existing industry - would be zoned to allow for taller buildings going up to the railroad tracks. I don't think we're talking Gold Coast height necessarily, but the folks I talked to realized that more residents were needed in the vicinity to help make retail feasible and transform the Lake/Detroit intersection. It would likely be years away, but it seemed like things have started to move. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jws 50 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 8:14 PM, marty15 said: Also heard mention of the strip of townhomes behind Neal Terrace and surrounding land being targeted by a certain developer. That building is called Dindia Terrace. The majority of the units have been acquired by a single entity and they are moving toward securing full site control. The plan is a complete restoration of the property. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marty15 2,036 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, jws said: That building is called Dindia Terrace. The majority of the units have been acquired by a single entity and they are moving toward securing full site control. The plan is a complete restoration of the property. Thanks! Would love to see that developed towards Detroit on those empty parking lots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jws 50 Report post Posted October 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, marty15 said: Thanks! Would love to see that developed towards Detroit on those empty parking lots. Absolutely! The owners of the former Ferris Steakhouse still own that lot on Detroit, so getting them to sell is the main barrier. The large lot next door is technically an orchard and is owned by Cudell Improvement, so there is a lot of potential there as well. The Dindia units are actually quite large and lovely inside (though some have seen significant arson). I really hope to see them occupied again. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
