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Very excited for this, as Jake mentioned, will go a long way in that area. As Troeros says, hopefully it is very successful and can move forward on the other sites there and fill back in the street grid on Sycamore and also the side streets.

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On 11/2/2019 at 2:22 PM, mcmicken said:

One of the joys of renderings is hiding easter eggs like this.  

I recently had to make a wall mural for a recent store and upon seeing the approval image the manager was appalled that i would include a (what i thought) treasured city mascot on her wall. I was told to remove him: which i did, but rumor is he is still there. Still there small and in the shadows peeking out of one of the windows of the county courthouse watching her. Watching her all the time. 🙂

 

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I can't even visually picture how infill would look on that lot. I'm so used to that ugly parking crater being there, always creating this awkward gap between otr and Pendelton... It's going to be so strange seeing the fabric tied together between otr and Pendelton once again eliminating that awkward glaring gap.

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3 hours ago, Largue said:

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Some progress on Brewdog. Looking pretty good so far.

 

It will be nice to reactivate that stretch of Pendelton..hopefully brewdog will give motivate some more businesses to land in that stretch of Pendelton.

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Checked out BrewDog today! Good amount of new pedestrian activity on that corner now. Food was really good, beer was solid and the space was really enjoyable. This should be a great fit for Pendelton!

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On 11/16/2019 at 6:27 PM, troeros said:

Good amount of new pedestrian activity on that corner now.


I honestly haven't even been inside the place yet, but walked around that area a lot over the weekend. The amount of activity that it brought to the block was incredible. It made the street feel MUCH safer after dark. That stretch is usually devoid of people in the evenings/weekends and it can get creepy sometimes. 

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32 minutes ago, Largue said:


I honestly haven't even been inside the place yet, but walked around that area a lot over the weekend. The amount of activity that it brought to the block was incredible. It made the street feel MUCH safer after dark. That stretch is usually devoid of people in the evenings/weekends and it can get creepy sometimes. 

 

Yes it's a nice little boost for that corner. BrewDog attracted a diverse crowd from what I saw from families, to yuppies, hipsters and old folks.

 

What I'm curious about is how late their kitchen stays open? The food was actually a surprising highlight and I wasn't actually expecting the dining experience to be that well done..so hopefully the kitchen operates late which would make it one of the few late night dining options in otr/CBD. 

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1 hour ago, Largue said:


I honestly haven't even been inside the place yet, but walked around that area a lot over the weekend. The amount of activity that it brought to the block was incredible. It made the street feel MUCH safer after dark. That stretch is usually devoid of people in the evenings/weekends and it can get creepy sometimes. 

 

It was the opening weekend, so I wouldn't get too hyped about the long term change being that significant.

 

1 hour ago, troeros said:

The food was actually a surprising highlight

 

I had their food a couple times at different BD places in London (not really my choice; my friend I was visiting there was an "equity punk" and liked to visit them for discounted beverages and to fill in her "passport" thingy for which each location has a different stamp). They had solid burgers (vegetarian and not) and cauliflower buffalo wings. I was grading on a curve to some degree, since Europe doesn't generally do American food so well, but it was legit and didn't really need the curve.

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10 minutes ago, Robuu said:

It was the opening weekend, so I wouldn't get too hyped about the long term change being that significant.

 

Yeah I'm afraid you're probably right. At the very least, employees will be hanging around pretty late. The transparent facade helps with the safety on Reading, and the employees smoking out back create a decent presence on Elliot Street out back (the kitchen even has windows right on the back alley). 

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It'll definitely be some help, but I'm not sure about a game-changer. Attracting more development on the block may be the best contribution to hope for. Who knows, though, maybe it will be massively popular.

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41 minutes ago, Robuu said:

It'll definitely be some help, but I'm not sure about a game-changer. Attracting more development on the block may be the best contribution to hope for. Who knows, though, maybe it will be massively popular.

 

The space reminded me of pins mechanical on Main Street minus the duckpin bowling. 

 

I think it might stay popular because it works pretty well as a "chill and hangout" bar for the Saturday night otr crowd because of the multiple levels and rooftop bar...but also works really well as a family friendly resturaunt/brewpub since the food is reasonably priced and the food is actually good.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Robuu said:

It'll definitely be some help, but I'm not sure about a game-changer. Attracting more development on the block may be the best contribution to hope for. Who knows, though, maybe it will be massively popular.

After the sycamore apartment project gets its first tenants I think that little section will really take off.

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There aren't any vacant buildings on that little stretch of Short Reading though.   Unless the Cincinnati Police Museum moves, or the Levin's sell (seems unlikely), then the only additional development opportunity would be to build out the other surface lots.  Those bring in so much money though.  I hope the owners of those lots would decide to sell some day, but it would take a lot of money to get them to sell those lots.

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11 minutes ago, JoeHarmon said:

There aren't any vacant buildings on that little stretch of Short Reading though.   Unless the Cincinnati Police Museum moves, or the Levin's sell (seems unlikely), then the only additional development opportunity would be to build out the other surface lots.  Those bring in so much money though.  I hope the owners of those lots would decide to sell some day, but it would take a lot of money to get them to sell those lots.

 

I feel like we were having this exact conversation a few years ago and now look? One of the sycamore lots are being developed. 

 

I think whenever you you have an out of town developer it's a good sign that otr has become an area that is of interest not just locally but nation wide as well. 

 

I think if it's not this developer, then another developer will purchase those lots in the near future. Granted, alot of this is probably unwarranted until we see how this project does in terms of leasing. 

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

I feel like we were having this exact conversation a few years ago and now look? One of the sycamore lots are being developed. 

 

I think whenever you you have an out of town developer it's a good sign that otr has become an area that is of interest not just locally but nation wide as well. 

 

I think if it's not this developer, then another developer will purchase those lots in the near future. Granted, alot of this is probably unwarranted until we see how this project does in terms of leasing. 

The Charles Street development is on the one lot not owned by the Levine family.

 

The Levine's are lawyers but the parking lot generates a nice base income for them. They would be unlikely to give it up unless parking somehow becomes less profitable.

 

One course of action I could see them taking is to sell development rights to build on the site and then collect rent on a land lease (this is how Columbia Plaza works with the Joseph Auto Group owning the land and leasing the building to a different owner).


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The Levines also own the 1100 Sycamore building and some other occupied properties scattered around. I assume they have a similar setup to what @JYP described and are generating a good income as landlords. They probably won't miss their parking lot that much.

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6 hours ago, JYP said:

 

The Charles Street development is on the one lot not owned by the Levine family.

 

The Levine's are lawyers but the parking lot generates a nice base income for them. They would be unlikely to give it up unless parking somehow becomes less profitable.

 

One course of action I could see them taking is to sell development rights to build on the site and then collect rent on a land lease (this is how Columbia Plaza works with the Joseph Auto Group owning the land and leasing the building to a different owner).

 

It appears that the 1118 Sycamore lot was owned by a guy who does not own any other large parking lots or downtown properties. He probably decided he was done with it and was ready to cash out and sell to the developer who approached him and wanted to build an apartment building there.

 

On the other hand, you have large property owners like the Levines, Josephs, and Wades, who have their own ideas for what they want to do with their properties. As much as we want them to fill in the missing teeth and build new buildings on these parking lots,  they are often willing to sit on them for literally decades until the "perfect" opportunity arises. The only way to get around this would be to put a massive property tax on surface parking lots, to the point where it no longer makes financial sense for the owners. IMO, all of that money should be directed to MSD to fix the problems with our sewer system, much of which is caused by runoff from these large surface lots.

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32 minutes ago, taestell said:

 IMO, all of that money should be directed to MSD to fix the problems with our sewer system, much of which is caused by runoff from these large surface lots.

 

It's doubtful that they have to pay anything to MSD since they don't have water bills and MSD's bills are piggy-backed on Waterworks bills.  

 

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8 minutes ago, Largue said:

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I know an old brewery used to be on that lot. Does anyone know if there are any tunnels underneath?

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They may end up finding out the hard way...

  

On 12/5/2007 at 11:26 PM, jmecklenborg said:

The never-finished Deer Creek Tunnel collapsed under the weight of heavy equipment today:

 

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They're bringing in a crane Thursday morning to fish this out.  Nobody was hurt. 

 

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4 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I know an old brewery used to be on that lot. Does anyone know if there are any tunnels underneath?

Short answer is probably.

 

I answered this question for the developer about a year ago. Based on available evidence and past practices, most cellars were not fully demolished and just filled in at the top levels. This site was home to the Gambrinus Stock Brewing Company through Prohibition, and for a very short period after Prohibition as the Vienna Brewing Company. potential-cellar-locations-1887.thumb.jpg.79825af6cd7c1882ee40fcbf3c29ea89.jpg1956.JPG.3dbc2c05fb45aa0254e2c993483cf094.JPG

 

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BrewDog eyeing Pendleton for short-term rentals near new brewery

 

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The U.K.'s largest craft brewery, which just opened its second-largest U.S. taproom in Cincinnati, is eyeing the home neighborhood of its newest pub for an Airbnb-like experience.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/12/04/exclusive-brewdog-eyeing-pendleton-for-short-term.html


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