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Do you honestly believe that Republicans would let Obama get away with creating new organizations like the CCC where the Federal government was actually employing people directly? They'd cry and scream socialism and that Obama was building an army of socialist laborers to take over the country.

 

If it added *new* people to the federal payroll, perhaps. If it took people from welfare (money for nothing) and put them to work (money for something), I think there would be a substantial number of conservatives who would concede that it was an improvement. There would still be the usual suspects indicting the program reflexively simply because it's a proxy for indicting the proponent, which is what their real goal is and always will be. However, not everyone is so cynical, and there would be enough acknowledging that it was an improvement to give the administration bipartisan credentials in pushing it through. In fact, I think a stronger conservative counterattack would be along the lines of "however far this goes, it doesn't go far enough."

 

Of course, the (gasp) government program that would have to be created would not simply employ the unemployed. You would need countless supervisors and staffers that would have to be hired to administer such a program. You would need to purchase benefits for all these people and you would need to purchase the equipment, office space, and other assets necessary. Not that I don't agree it is a good idea, but Loretto's point still stands and the fright wing would piss and moan. But regardless... how would that be different from ANY other single initiative the present administration has implemented ;)

 

Does it some how make you happier to trivialize the opposition as the "fright wing?"  I could devolve to the same level of shallowness and spout all the cliches about the "politics of envy" motivating the left, but I prefer to give people, even opponents, the benefit of the doubt--even when it's long since been forfeited.

 

I'm glad to see at least one growing segment of the American political spectrum starting to at least talk the talk about being frightened by the federal deficit, because it *is* frightening, as are the persistent mythologies of Keynesian economics and Reaganomics that let large numbers of otherwise-intelligent people continue to state with ostensibly straight faces that we shouldn't be concerned about spending more than we have for as far into the future as the eye can see.

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He's just having fun Gramarye! He's a reasonable, smart guy; he doesn't have bad intentions. He doesn't even seem Democrat or Republican.

 

I'm not frightened by the deficit because it's gotten a lot of media coverage lately and the people are more attuned to it than before. It should only be frightening once it reaches a threshold in terms of percentage of GDP which it will approach if we continue this pattern of wasteful spending but I'm confident the Republicans will see the light before it's too late.

 

Speaking of wasteful spending - when are we going to start to see the return-on-investment for all these friggin wars on terrorism? They need to kick-start the design-bid-build-process over in Afghanistan; build some Starbucks and condos and hook the U.S. firms up! Hey I care about spreading freedom but I don't see why can't make a little money from our good deeds  :angel:

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Hmph.  If we actually even raised the topic, the peaceniks and conspiracy theorists would just take it as proof that their "war for oil" propaganda was right all along, since that would be the #1 way that we could realize any economic return on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Of course, the wars aren't being fought for strictly financial gain, either; they're being fought because there are people over there who would love nothing better than to take down the Sears Tower or the Golden Gate Bridge, and it's better to at least have them under pressure (if we can't capture or kill them outright) than free to plan at their leisure.  Whether or not we're actually accomplishing enough of said pressure to make the expense worth it is of course a debatable topic, and as the costs mount, the costs-benefit analysis necessarily gets stricter (and lots of people are turning against the Afghanistan war because of that sense that we keep on spending for nothing).

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To be clear Gramarye, the fRight Wing (at least in my mind) does not encompass "the opposition."  It is the extreme ends of the debate that have had a very loud voice in the 24 hour news cycle over the past 10-20 years.  It is the faction that plays on others' fears of change to maintain the status quo or plays on others' fears of the status quo to create change.  It is Rovian politics.  It is McCarthyism.  It is the people that tell you Obama is a muslim or a socialist.  It is the people who told you Bush was a fascist.  It is the people who tell you legalizing gay marriage will mandate gay marriage.  It is the people that tell you that some government bureaucrat is going to pull the plug on Granny.  It's the wingnuts.

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Historic financial overhaul signed to law by Obama

By Jim Kuhnhenn, Associated Press Writer

Wed July 21, 7:16 pm ET

 

WASHINGTON – Reveling over a new milestone in his presidency, a triumphant Barack Obama on Wednesday signed into law the most sweeping overhaul of lending and high-finance rules since the Great Depression, adding safeguards for millions of consumers and aiming to restrain Wall Street excesses that could set off a new recession.

 

The president's signing ceremony capped nearly two years of intense and partisan debate over how to avoid a recurrence of the 2008 financial meltdown that buckled the U.S. economy and left sharp, lasting imprints on the nation's politics and in Americans' homes.

 

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_bi_ge/us_financial_overhaul

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The best thing I can say about the new financial reform bill is that probably won't do all that much.

Except the power to watch your bank account and track your credit card transactions and add billions of taxes and fees on the banking industry which the taxpayer was forced to bailout.

 

Classic Beck explaining the new law:

Glenn Beck-07/22/10-C

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I'm pleased the government will be keeping a watchful eye over my finances from now on! When are they installing the telescreens? I didn't quite understand that provision, but I'm sure everything will be fine.

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If you look at forecasts of unemployment with and without the "recovery plan" you have to start wondering what the difference is between a "summer of recovery" and a nuclear winter.

 

White House predicts record $1.47 trillion deficit

By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer Andrew Taylor, Associated Press Writer   – Fri Jul 23, 3:12 pm ET

 

WASHINGTON – New estimates from the White House on Friday predict the budget deficit will reach a record $1.47 trillion this year. The government is borrowing 41 cents of every dollar it spends.

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It's about $150 billion more than previously predicted, because of still-slumping tax revenues.

 

White House budget director Peter Orszag said the numbers represent a "fiscal situation that requires attention."

 

Deficits have skyrocketed since the recession took hold in 2008 and Congress responded with a massive bailout of the financial system and last year's $862 billion stimulus measure.

 

more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100723/ap_on_bi_ge/us_budget_deficit_2

 

Orszag said the numbers represent a "fiscal situation that requires attention"?  Isn't that what the Tea Partiers have been saying all along?  And the liberty movement people have been saying that for even longer.

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Obama hits road to restore ratings

By Edward Luce in Washington

Financial Times

 

Published: July 25 2010 19:39 | Last updated: July 25 2010 19:39

 

Mr Obama’s trips follow an increasingly grim pattern of poll findings, which show deep-rooted scepticism among the US public about the effects of the stimulus and his approach to the economy in general.

 

According to a Pew Research poll last week, only 35 per cent of Democratic voters believe the stimulus “helped keep unemployment from getting worse”.

 

In spite of the ubiquitous billboards proclaiming infrastructure work funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, only 45 per cent of Democrats believe it has improved roads and bridges in their area.

 

more: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dfe7ed12-9819-11df-b218-00144feab49a.html

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Enough right-wing propaganda

The New York Times

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

Monday, July 26, 2010; A13

 

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now-trivialized phrase has it, a "teachable moment." It is a time for action.

 

The mainstream media and the Obama administration must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its propaganda to be accepted as news by convincing traditional journalists that "fairness" requires treating extremist rants as "one side of the story." And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

 

The administration's response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with "protecting" the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

 

 

Full op-ed column at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072502756.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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^I agree with most of those points.  We really need to stop letting the "media" control how we are governed.  And the author is right that Obama has been guilty of just that in certain respect.  By doing so, we are abandoning our representational form of government where our direction is determined at the ballot box and turning to a mob-rule, whomever can yell the loudest system of control.  Most Americans simply don't have the endurance to maintain an edge in the partisan bickering 12 months out of the year. 

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I will mark this day down on my calander as a moment in time that we were in agreement on any topic related to the current administration, Scrabble.  Everything in and around Washington is too reactionary these days.  Obama (or at least some around him) is unfortunately picking up some of the bad habits of his staunchest opponents.

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We probably agree on more than you think.

 

So, what "bad habits of his staunchest opponents" is Obama picking up?

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Enough right-wing propaganda

The New York Times

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

Monday, July 26, 2010; A13

 

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now-trivialized phrase has it, a "teachable moment." It is a time for action.

 

The mainstream media and the Obama administration must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its propaganda to be accepted as news by convincing traditional journalists that "fairness" requires treating extremist rants as "one side of the story." And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

 

The administration's response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with "protecting" the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

 

 

Full op-ed column at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072502756.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

 

Anyone else see the irony in one of the biggest left wing propaganda platforms in the country having an article entitled "Enough right-wing Propaganda?"

 

I don't know who E.J. Dionne is, but now I know to never listen to a thing he says.  What a clown.

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Enough right-wing propaganda

The New York Times

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

Monday, July 26, 2010; A13

 

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now-trivialized phrase has it, a "teachable moment." It is a time for action.

 

The mainstream media and the Obama administration must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its propaganda to be accepted as news by convincing traditional journalists that "fairness" requires treating extremist rants as "one side of the story." And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

 

The administration's response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with "protecting" the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

 

 

Full op-ed column at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072502756.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

 

Anyone else see the irony in one of the biggest left wing propaganda platforms in the country having an article entitled "Enough right-wing Propaganda?"

 

I don't know who E.J. Dionne is, but now I know to never listen to a thing he says. What a clown.

It's the New York Times, what did you expect??

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^^E.J. Dionne is one of the most long time "revered" "journalists" of the New York Times (how dare you besmirch his good name--LOL). Frankly, I didn't think he was still living, but then I realized I was confusing him with another Times oldie, R.W. Apple, who died a couple of years ago. Somehow I missed this column. Oh, wait a minute, I know why: Since the newsstand price of the daily NY Times went up to $2 a day (!) I basically stopped buying it, and since I detest reading papers online...oh well, it's good for lining bird cages.

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Enough right-wing propaganda

The New York Times

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

Monday, July 26, 2010; A13

 

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now-trivialized phrase has it, a "teachable moment." It is a time for action.

 

The mainstream media and the Obama administration must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its propaganda to be accepted as news by convincing traditional journalists that "fairness" requires treating extremist rants as "one side of the story." And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

 

The administration's response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with "protecting" the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

 

 

Full op-ed column at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072502756.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

 

Anyone else see the irony in one of the biggest left wing propaganda platforms in the country having an article entitled "Enough right-wing Propaganda?"

 

I don't know who E.J. Dionne is, but now I know to never listen to a thing he says. What a clown.

It's the New York Times, what did you expect??

 

Seems to me you shouldn't be making any pokes at anyone's journalistic integrity, I repeat my earlier question: did you know Beitbart's video was a misleading lie when you posted it here?

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Anyone else see the irony in one of the biggest left wing propaganda platforms in the country having an article entitled "Enough right-wing Propaganda?"

 

I don't know who E.J. Dionne is, but now I know to never listen to a thing he says. What a clown.

It's the New York Times, what did you expect??

 

Seems to me you shouldn't be making any pokes at anyone's journalistic integrity, I repeat my earlier question: did you know Beitbart's video was a misleading lie when you posted it here?

My response can be found HERE.

 

CBO: 'Deficits will cause debt to rise to unsupportable levels'

 

The cost of debt is skyrocketing. I'm beginning to think that the Administration knows this and just doesn't care. It's almost as if he views the private sector as the enemy.

 

From the UK Telegraph's "Does Barack Obama hate free enterprise":

In the memoir Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance President Obama dispatches his one and only job in the business world with a few sentences, one of which describing himself as being like “a spy dropped behind enemy lines.

 

So working in the private sector is like being behind enemy lines. He said it himself.

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It is no secrect that Obama is not a capitalist. 

 

Eveyone who voted for him did so precisely because of that.

 

George W. Bush was not a capitalist either.   

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He's an American.  So is Bush.  You people (yeah, I said it) really need to stop trying to lump America into some kind of singular societal/economic system.  We don't have a capitalist system.  We don't have a socialist system.  We have an American system.  We don't adhere to the strict tenets of someone who wrote a book ages ago.  We create our own.  We are a leader, not a follower, nation.  We constantly evolve at the will of the people and through the collective wisdom of the people.  You should be proud, not ashamed, of that characteristic.

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We should be proud that we're in this mess? We're supposed to be proud of the forced collectivization of our country and destruction of our system of government?

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There you go - "destruction of our system of government".  Exactly how has our system of government been destroyed?  What "system" did we have that we don't anymore.  We still have a constitutional republic with the ability to adapt to the challenges of any given time.  We still elect our representatives to govern us.  We still have three branches of government.  We still have checks and balances among those branches.  That is the system our Constitution envisions.  That is how we are being governed.  You just don't agree with the DECISIONS our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES are making.  That's O.K.  That's American.  If you think that they are doing something outside of the authority our Constitution grants to them, then file your court action and, IF your case has merit, our conservative leaning Supreme Court will make the final decision.  You are also, of course, free to voice your displeasure at the voting booth.

 

Sheesh.... "destruction of our system of government"..... and people question why I call it the fRight Wing.

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Conservative Supreme Court??? 4 out of 9 Justices ruled AGAINST the 2nd Amendment and freedom of speech just this year.  We are hanging on by a thread and you don't even see it.  Checks and balances?  There is no check on this government, that's why voters will turn out the Dems this November.  Our federal system no longer exists.  States are merely pawns of DC.  And that's not even to mention the federal income tax or the Federal Reserve or the interstate commerce abuses or the neutering of state legislatures' ability to exert their will in the selection of US Senators (17th amendment).  And don't get me started on eminent domain, wiretapping, and our empire.

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Yeah.... they've got you hook, line and sinker.  Go hide under your bed.  It may be over in 2 years.

It's really not that big of a deal if you don't care about the original intent of the founders of this country or the framers of our Constitution.  Periods of peace and liberty are few and far between in the history of the world.  I think we can both agree that the democracy is nothing more than mob rule and the education system in this country is more like indoctrination than true education.

 

In other news...that half-white president of ours called black people "mongrels."  (those evil, racist tea partiers really are rubbing off on him!)

 

 

President Obama calls African-Americans a ‘mongrel people’

By Sam Youngman - 07/29/10 11:00 AM ET

 

NEW YORK — President Obama waded into the national race debate in an unlikely setting and with an unusual choice of words: telling daytime talk show hosts that African-Americans are “sort of a mongrel people.”

 

The president appeared on ABC’s morning talk show “The View” Thursday, where he talked about the forced resignation of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod, his experience with race and his roots.

 

When asked about his background, which includes a black father and white mother, Obama said of African-Americans: "We are sort of a mongrel people."

 

more: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/111611-obama-calls-african-americans-a-mongrel-people-

 

According to wikipedia, mongrel means:

Among humans, mongrel and mongrelize are derogatory terms for the mixing of "races", known as miscegenation

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I'll give you credit, Scrabble, you may not have any integrity, honesty, or even a sense of shame, but you manage to drag our politics oriented threads to a lower and lower level with a single minded intensity that would be impressive if it were directed towards elevating the conversation instead of dragging it into the mud.

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Obama Defends Education Program

By JACKIE CALMES

Published: July 29, 2010

 

WASHINGTON — Saying that reforming education is perhaps “the economic issue of our time,” President Obama  went before a major civil rights organization on Thursday to defend his main education program against criticisms from some minority and teachers groups.

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Mr. Obama, in his speech before the 100th anniversary convention of the National Urban League, acknowledged “some controversy” about his education initiative, which he attributed partly to “a general resistance to change, a comfort with the status quo.” But he chose the civil rights organization as his audience to address specifically the complaints of minority groups that schools and teachers in impoverished communities and inner cities will be unfairly neglected in the competition to meet higher standards and the drive to impose accountability for students’ standardized test results.

more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/education/30obama.html?_r=1

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Ad hominem, how cute!

 

Well Scrabble, your behavior is in question, and since you're unwilling to man up and answer for it, I have to assume the worst, which is that you knowingly and willfully spread misinformation.  That you don't debate in good faith.  It puts an asterisk next to all claims you make.

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Ad hominem, how cute!

 

Well Scrabble, your behavior is in question, and since you're unwilling to man up and answer for it, I have to assume the worst, which is that you knowingly and willfully spread misinformation. That you don't debate in good faith. It puts an asterisk next to all claims you make.

 

I'm assuming you're referring to my last post in this thread.  Just reporting something that would have been newsworthy had anyone else said it.  Not a big deal, just news of the day regarding the topic of this thread.

 

Insults are what "drags our threads lower and lower" and "into the mud."  I leave that job to the pros (some of whom find it appropriate to use their powers on this site to edit the articles I share when they don't like what they say).

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Concerning Education: We have been working on a project for two years. It's called 'Unlimited Education'. It's all about a curriculum we have developed, which includes Morals, Values & Ethics Education and other progressive concepts. Anyone interested in a short PowerPoint Presentation can e-mail me a request to dsource4u@yahoo.com. Limited information is available on our Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Unlimited-Education-for-Our-Children/102671536444199?ref=ts

 

Also, for those who haven't seen Obama's Interview on the view, visit: www.thechangetheworldmovement.com

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