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It's been an amazing post season for the Cavs, and I sure hope they can give GS a good fight. It's incredible to me that Golden State has been able to keep their stars healthy, for the most part, through each of their playoff runs the past 4 years. I know Steph had a bit of an injury in the earlier rounds, but they've not had to overcome any sort of real obstacle to get to the finals/championship. I obviously don't wish injury on anyone, but it sure would make for a more interesting series if one of their guys would go down like Chris Paul, or Kyrie/Love from the Cavs finals a few years back.

 

And, Kawhi.

 

 

Cavs were not favorites last year, but there were definitely split opinions on who would win.  The Cavs were defending champs, had beaten GS earlier in the year.  The initial spread was GS +120 (i think round there).  not crazy odds compared to this year...+650.  Yikes. 

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Are you absolutely kidding me right now?  Hill (81% FT shooter) misses what could have been the winning FT, JR Smith makes what could have been the biggest offensive rebound of his career and then does that?!

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Stuff like the reversed charge call and the total inexplicable JR Smith play makes me think the NBA might really be rigged. JR is complete garbage.

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Are you absolutely kidding me right now?  Hill (81% FT shooter) misses what could have been the winning FT, JR Smith makes what could have been the biggest offensive rebound of his career and then does that?!

 

Hill has been choking from the FT line all playoffs.  With that much pressure, I was just happy he made one.

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Are you absolutely kidding me right now?  Hill (81% FT shooter) misses what could have been the winning FT, JR Smith makes what could have been the biggest offensive rebound of his career and then does that?!

 

Hill has been choking from the FT line all playoffs.  With that much pressure, I was just happy he made one.

 

JR thought the Cavs were winning so he was trying to dribble it out.  What a disaster.

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Stuff like the reversed charge call and the total inexplicable JR Smith play makes me think the NBA might really be rigged. JR is complete garbage.

 

I keep reliving both these plays in my head.  So depressed.

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JR is terrible.  His defense is bad, he gets beat off the dribble by everyone, can't defend down low and his offense production isn't enough to justify.  He's old and is slow getting up & down the court.  Last night though, was inexcusable.  Had he tapped the ball back in, like Nance had been doing all night, it's game over.  Even go back up for the shot and get fouled, it could be game over.  Anything but dribbling out the clock...

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Even if he went back up for the shot and missed, and not gotten fouled, the chaos could easily have worked in our favor--LeBron might well have come up with one last tip-in.

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Haven't been this shaken by a single, isolated moment in Cleveland sports since Kipnis hit a 500 ft foul ball in Game 7.

 

Ernest Byner's fumble still gives me nightmares.

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Haven't been this shaken by a single, isolated moment in Cleveland sports since Kipnis hit a 500 ft foul ball in Game 7.

 

'97 Game 7 still resonates.  Tony freaking Fernandez.


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Ken Mauer, NBA referee: The reason for the trigger is that we had doubt as to whether or not James was in the restricted area. When over at the table, we then are allowed to determine whether or not he was in a legal guarding position. It was determined he was out of the restricted area, but he was not in a legal guarding position prior to Durant's separate shooting motion. So we had to change it to a blocking foul.

 

Are you ****ing blind??? **** these refs.


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JR's +/- was a pathetic -22, which was by far the worst out of anyone who got minutes last night. 

 

I think there was an issue with him being in for that final rebound anyways.

 

You know GS is going to take a timeout make or miss, so I think we should've went with height with TT, Korver, Green, Lebron, and Hill. After the timeout, we can swap Korver for JR and even Green for Nance if you want

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I believe there's something like 15 40+ point games in the NBA playoffs since 1970 (something like that) by a 33+ year old.  The list is basically LeBron, who has over half of them, Jordan, and like two other guys.

 

On the bright side, the JR gaffe at the end of the game has caused everyone to forget JR's gaffe at the end of the 1st half leaving Curry wide open.


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^that's part of what makes Curry so dangerous, I don't really fault JR for that shot at all.  He's so ridiculously accurate from long rage, defenders have to come out & guard him beyond the 3 point arc... which opens up the inside more for passing lanes and driving layups...

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^that's part of what makes Curry so dangerous, I don't really fault JR for that shot at all.  He's so ridiculously accurate from long rage

 

What?  JR should know, with under 2 seconds left, he's got to stay with Curry to contest the last second shot.  Going for a steal that was going to result in nothing was dumb.


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My feeling is the Cavs had their chance to grab a game.  Being that close to losing game one scared the warriors.  Now the Cavs have to win borh games at home.  Hopefully perkins can play a little as they need help at center.    I just think it would be cool seeing Perkins and Thompson under the basket.  That will stop Durant and Green.. Also i’d like to see Calderon come in for at least 10 minutes especially if Curry isn’t playing.

I don’t want to see JR or Hill guarding Durant or mcgee. But this is kind of the issue with the matchups with GS.. Hood looks like a lost cause. I’m not much of a fan of Clarkson against GS either.

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Have to keep in mind just last series (and in the '16 Finals) Cavs went down 0-2, but man...this just feels different.  Klay a bit hobbled in Game 1 and Warriors #1 defender on LeBron out...up in the final minute of game 1 and headed home 0-2.  Seems like a gut punch to me.

 

When you have a 73-win team and upgrade your #3 position to the 2nd-best player on the planet...I mean, what is the rest of the league supposed to do?  LeBron would need an Anthony Davis/KAT to replace Love AND a Paul George type AND maybe a Devin Booker / Eric Gordon off the bench type of player to keep pace.  LeBron is averaging 35/9/9 through the playoffs which is just absurd.

 

Jordan (in addition to being a DPOY himself) played with a back-to-back DPOY and managed to duck Olajuwon in the Finals.  LeBron, meanwhile, is going up against DPOY Draymond Green and Kawhi Leonard won it twice.  LeBron needs a DPOY guy on his team plus the greatest 3-point shooter of all-time and then we can evaluate him on even footing with Jordan.


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SMH....down 0-2.  Hopefully the rest of the Cavs join Lebron on the flight home and show up for game 3.

 

other than the JR gaffe and hill miss in game 1 , the role players have been doing *enough* to win.  Take away the fourth quarter last night (one out of 8 quarters), the cavs have looked more comfortable in Oracle than i have ever seen them in previous years.  Lebron will nee 40-50 per night and not 13 assists, thats just the reality of it. 

 

One thing about these guys is being down 0-2 is not an uncommon place for them, they are pretty resilient.  Im not sure why whenever the cavs lose its the end of the world and when the cavs win we are the best team ever.  These are all humans and grown men, its who can win 4 first.  Thye have to win two games at home, which they can do despite it being very hard.  Then you re-set and try to get another one in Oracle.

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SMH....down 0-2.  Hopefully the rest of the Cavs join Lebron on the flight home and show up for game 3.

the role players have been doing *enough* to win.

 

The 3 main bench players (Korver, Green, Nance) went 2-11 for 9 points in Game 2.

 

I don't think you can afford to play TT and Love at the same time.  You need Jeff Green out there on Durant or Draymond, imo.  Love does an admirable job, but I'd rather have TT switching on pick and rolls instead of Love.


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Let's also not forget that the Warriors had two players shoot 100% from the field yesterday and three others shoot above 50%. C'mon.

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Korver has been disappointing but Love and Hill have been steady. That’s should be enough help to keep the Cavs in the game.  Again, as brilliant as Lebron was last night, he needs game 1 performances in order to win. It’s a huge ask and it’s ungrateful for fans to expect that, but heavy lies the crown

 

*korver hasn’t been as disappointing as the game plan to get him involved has. He needs a minimum of 5 plays drawn specifically for him. If that involves 3 screens to break him open, then fine. He can’t be out there doing nothing, he’s the best shooter

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Love was a 41.5% 3-point shooter in the regular season and he's shooting 33% in the playoffs.  Durant, btw, has a very similar drop off in his 3-point % from regular season to the playoffs, but he's still hitting 2's at a reasonable clip.  Love is not.

 

Hill has gone from 41.5% from 3 in the regular season to 31% in the playoffs.

 

Korver is streaky as hell and hasn't broken out in the Finals (4 points in 2 games).  Probably need a double digit game from him which would open up the floor.  He's been in single digits the last five games.


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Ugh, get 15 off the bench from Rodney Hood (!!! Wtf Lue??), LeBron goes for 33/10/11/2/2 and it's still not enough.

 

Almost like adding the 2nd or 3rd best player on the planet to a 73-win team make it unfair.  This is like the 2000 Lakers adding Tim Duncan.


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102 will win a lot of games.  This was a combination of a raft of inexcusable defensive breakdowns on GSW's role players (we left the paint wide open over and over again for players that really didn't have much range beyond it), and Durant of course having the best playoff game of his career.  But yes, it hurts to miss a chance when Curry and Klay Thompson were having off nights, though it still doesn't hurt as much as Game 1.

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Ive said since the beginning, Lebron needs 40-50 per game to beat these guys.  Lebrons numbers the last two games have been incredible relative to any normal player, but they just need him to be superhuman.  the triple double is great, but he didnt look like the guy who could win the game last night (the guy in game 1 did).  He didnt take a 3 until the 4th, didnt get to the line until the 4th....just need that killer mentality.  Oh well, it was what most of us expected so it doesnt actually feel as bad.  The warriors are a computer game, they are unfairly built and will not lose to anyone, regardless of what team is put together, because nobody has the combination of three point shooting/star power that they do. 

 

My hope is Durant wants a new challenge and to get that stigma of gravy training off his back.  Unlikely.  I think Lebron will still stay here.  Its the dignified move.  Chasing rings at age 34 at the back of your career is very role player ish and beneath him.  I do believe he will demand the cavs to transform the team, probably move everyone that will be taken and the pick.

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I don't see LeBron coming back.  Why would he sign up with this cast of characters to lose again to GS?

 

It's got to be exhausting for him.  8 straight Finals, 3 Finals wins.  That's a lot of extra games.  I have no idea where he'll end up but if it's Cleveland or the field, I'm taking the field.


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