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If your a fan of your smaller market home town team, I would have no idea why you would be excited for next season or the next few seasons of your local nba team. The super team dynamic has made the finals matchup predictable and boring. Everything about the nba, aside from the glorious talent of a few players like Lebron, Curry, Durant, etc is what still makes the nba still watchable.

 

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Also, I’m starting to get the sense that players don’t like Lebron.  The curry/kyrie video last year at that wedding. Kyrie leaving, Paul George not going to La. we know he’s obsessed but one could conclude he’s not overly popular within the league.  He sat down kevin Love at a pool and convinced him to sign a 5 year max and then bounced.  And finally, boogie takes a MID LEVEL EXCEPTION (~5 million) to play on the warriors, a true power play to squash the lakers good vibes. I’m sure the pelicans were offering him long term Money and for perspective, Delly makes double that.

 

This seems like an intentional move almost for spite

 

There are reports that ZERO other NBA teams offered him a contract (outside of some conflicting reports that New Orleans wanted him back and offered him a better deal than the MLE).  If he wanted out of New Orleans, and his only offer was Golden State...

 

The center position doesn't really matter in Golden State though.  As long as they have KD and Curry....you could bring Shaq out of retirement and start him at center for 50 games and they'll still win a bunch of games.  Cousins is a perennial 25 and 12 center who will probably see his numbers drop to something like 19 and 10.  He doesn't care.  He gets to coast for a year to a ring and if he stays healthy, he'll cash in on a big paycheck in 2019.

 

2018-2019 is over.  It's all about setting up moves for 2019 and 2020.  LeBron needs someone like Kawhi to join him.  Who knows, he may even get Cousins or AD to join him as well.  Until an equally absurd super team of 4+ All-Stars is formed, Golden State will run the league.  They do have looming contract questions when Thompson and Green finally come up and their market value is $30+ million.  They're making sub-$20m now.  Maybe KD "goes home" a la LeBron after one more title as well.

 

The NBA either needs a hard cap (like the NHL) OR they need to allow each team to offer one SUPER RIDICULOUS MAX contract outside of the cap.  LA could pay LeBron $80m/season.  Golden State could offer KD $75m.  Etc.  That way, you roughly spread the 30 or so best players throughout the league.  The NBAPA will never go for that, of course.  They want the cap in place so the bottom half of players in the league can get good money.

 

But you need one of those two (or both) measures in place.  It's just absurd.

 

I will watch approximately zero NBA games next season.


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I feel bad for the Memphis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Charlotte, Portland, and other smaller market teams. The nba has become largely irrelevant thanks to super teams. I imagine the nba will have to implement a league rule that would ban the construction of super teams...it’s just super unbalanced and uninteresting at this point.

 

I think this is a pretty ahistorical view. First of all, San Antonio, Cleveland, and Oklahoma City, all small market teams, yet have been 3 of the top 6 teams of the past decade. Second, the NBA has always been dominated by dynasties. From 1980-2010, 6 teams (Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs) were responsible for 28/30 of the championships. From 1957-1969, the Celtics were champions 11/13 of the years, including an 8 year streak. The Lakers + Celtics have 35/72 of all NBA championships.

 

If anything the NBA has actually been getting better in this regard, Golden State not withstanding. Before the previous CBA, teams were able to sign contracts up to 6+1 years, while now I think the max is 4+1. The cap rules about adding mid level players have been relaxed as well. The result is that now every offseason superstars are available (and like Paul George, willing to sign with small market teams). Two years ago Philly was one of the worst teams in the league and hadn't been considered a major free agent destination since Moses Malone joined Dr. J in 1982 to win a championship. This year they were considered the second best free agent destination. That wasn't possible in the old system.

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The league probably hasn’t seen anything like the Warriors before, but the NBA has always been imbalanced. It’s just the nature of the sport, since one or two players can influence the fortunes of a team so strongly. In the past 30 years, 7 teams have won 27 of the championships. I’ll keep tuning in though, because I love pro basketball and even watching a mediocre team is more entertaining to me than watching any other sport.

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I will watch Cavs games to see if we have anything in the young guys. I will also watch LAL vs GS games. That could really interesting TV.  Same with kyrie and Boston vs lakers.  Yeah I know I may be the exception not the rule, but the Cavs Run has made me like the NBA and in general

And not just the hometown team.  We had a great run where cleveland was the beneficiary of the lack of parity, now that we are on the short end, let’s see if our egomaniac owner can establish a true culture and build a stable franchise. Again, I think the superteam is a phase. It’s been a chess match, these guys eventually retire

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Oops! Sorry carnevalem[/member]! Parallel thinking! Even Boston has only one of those past 30 chips. Boston, Cleveland, and Dallas are the only teams without multiple titles.

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

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We had a great run where cleveland was the beneficiary of the lack of parity, now that we are on the short end, let’s see if our egomaniac owner can establish a true culture and build a stable franchise.

 

Great question, what will be the identity of the new Cavs? Would truly love to see a team with actual set plays and a defense.

 

 

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

 

All true. We all just have to tip our cap to the warriors and be THRILLED we got one against them.  The sports fan in me is intrigued by what the young talent will do. I will watch for sure.

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

 

All true. We all just have to tip our cap to the warriors and be THRILLED we got one against them.  The sports fan in me is intrigued by what the young talent will do. I will watch for sure.

 

NBA free agents have a reputation for hating Cleveland. Not sure if that's actually true.

 

If it makes you guys feel any better, the Warriors fans I work with are more haunted by the Cavs championship than they are happy for the Warriors three titles.

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

 

All true. We all just have to tip our cap to the warriors and be THRILLED we got one against them.  The sports fan in me is intrigued by what the young talent will do. I will watch for sure.

 

NBA free agents have a reputation for hating Cleveland. Not sure if that's actually true.

 

If it makes you guys feel any better, the Warriors fans I work with are more haunted by the Cavs championship than they are happy for the Warriors three titles.

 

Winning brings talent regardless of the franchise, the Warriors are proving it. Dan sounds like he wants to build this thing the right way. The national media is mocking him about building a champion but who ever thought even eight years ago that the long irrelevant Warriors would be the next NBA dynasty. Koby Altman is the unproven commodity now. His Lakers trade looks pretty poor but it was under the gun in a "WIN NOW" environment and the landscape has changed. Also, who knows how much of the trade was Dan himself. Willing to see where Altman goes from here. I also wonder if Dan will keep Lue or just start fresh.

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

 

All true. We all just have to tip our cap to the warriors and be THRILLED we got one against them.  The sports fan in me is intrigued by what the young talent will do. I will watch for sure.

 

NBA free agents have a reputation for hating Cleveland. Not sure if that's actually true.

 

If it makes you guys feel any better, the Warriors fans I work with are more haunted by the Cavs championship than they are happy for the Warriors three titles.

 

Winning brings talent regardless of the franchise, the Warriors are proving it. Dan sounds like he wants to build this thing the right way. The national media is mocking him about building a champion but who ever thought even eight years ago that the long irrelevant Warriors would be the next NBA dynasty. Koby Altman is the unproven commodity now. His Lakers trade looks pretty poor but it was under the gun in a "WIN NOW" environment and the landscape has changed. Also, who knows how much of the trade was Dan himself. Willing to see where Altman goes from here.

 

Dan deserves some blame. Those post-LeBron Cavs teams were so horrible.

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^i also think you learn from mistakes and Dan is probably good at that.  Getting Kyrie was awesome in the draft, but lets face it, he was never going to spend his whole career here.  You need a "chip on your shoulder" type star, a la russell westbrook and not a star obsessed with their off court brand and all that.  Someone who almost takes on the identity of the city.  We will see what we get out of Sexton talent wise, but attitude wise he seems to align with CLE.  Or just the ultimate professional type, like Tim Duncan.  Duncan may be one of my favorite all time athletes.  Loyal, talented and he retired so non chalantly and nobody has heard from him since.  These other guys HAVE to get back in front of the camera, do all that...he never seemed to need attention...thats the type of star that Cleveland would need.

 

Free agents wont come here probably unless they are from here or had a shot at the title.  Most of our talent was from draft and/or trade historically.  Probably because of weather and/or nightlife.  Oh well

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I've been watching the Cavs since World B. Free. I'm mean, I might have been their only fan during the Mike Fratello era. :D I'm genuinely curious about what Dan Gilbert will do going forward. He has an ego, he'll spend money and is certainly more entertaining than Gordon Gund ever was. Supposedly free agents will never ever come to Cleveland again. Is this true? Why would I stop watching now? It's not like the Cavs will be serious contenders for a while so I could care less about who the Warriors are picking up.

 

All true. We all just have to tip our cap to the warriors and be THRILLED we got one against them.  The sports fan in me is intrigued by what the young talent will do. I will watch for sure.

 

NBA free agents have a reputation for hating Cleveland. Not sure if that's actually true.

 

If it makes you guys feel any better, the Warriors fans I work with are more haunted by the Cavs championship than they are happy for the Warriors three titles.

 

Winning brings talent regardless of the franchise, the Warriors are proving it. Dan sounds like he wants to build this thing the right way. The national media is mocking him about building a champion but who ever thought even eight years ago that the long irrelevant Warriors would be the next NBA dynasty. Koby Altman is the unproven commodity now. His Lakers trade looks pretty poor but it was under the gun in a "WIN NOW" environment and the landscape has changed. Also, who knows how much of the trade was Dan himself. Willing to see where Altman goes from here.

 

Dan deserves some blame. Those post-LeBron Cavs teams were so horrible.

 

I agree but I think the intention was to start over in 2010. Nobody had any idea LBJ would come back. He was dancing on a stage with Wade and Bosh in downtown Miami talking about seven championships.

 

If Lebron had stayed in Miami the Cavs would still have had Irving and Wiggins. Their talent alone would have made the Cavs at least a .500 team in the terrible East by 2015 or 2016. Who knows what would have happened afterward.

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Wiggins and Irving wouldn't make the Cavs winners imho. But I do think Kyrie would have gladly stayed in Cleveland (losing games) if not for LeBron upstaging him.

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The Warriors:

Curry

Thompson

Durant

Green

Cousins

 

An Eastern Conference All-Star Team:

Kyrie

Wall/Oladipo

DeRozan/Gordon Hayward

Antetokounmpo

Embiid

 

Who's winning that game?


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California basketball fans really went from Warriors’ fans, to Lakers’ fans, back to Warriors’ fans in less than 24 Hours.

 

Impressive tbh.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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^thats a nice article, thanks for sharing.  One thing though, it’s still fresh and feels like he’s gone for good. Everyone thought that when he went to Miami too.  I’d put money on him coming back again and retiring here in his final season. If Dan will take him, lol

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Interesting point I heard on the radio today... Lebron is very close with the banana boat guys (wade, melo, cp3), but not much at all with the mid -20’s stars (pg3, Kawhi, Butler, curry).  Kyrie is very close with the mid -20 guys...PG already turned him down, and I just read an article today that Kawhi is more open to the clippers now than the lakers. Lebron May have a really tough time finding help.  The milennial stars May conspire to ding both lebron and Magic’s laker legacy a bit. This is gonna be interesting

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Nobody has mentioned it on this forum, but the Cavs did pick up an interesting raw prospect post draft in Billy Preston. The Cavs might be able to drop him into Lebron’s set plays as he can perform at a comparable level of Lebron on offense. From what i can tell he is like a 17yr old version of Lebron but he is now 19 or 20 and missed a good year of organized basketball. He also has bounced around every year for the last 6 years.  There isn’t a whole lot of film on him, but what there is is fairly impressive.  He has the physical tools at about 6’10”. 

  I’m intrigued to watch the Summer league starting Friday to see if there is any Irving to LeBron magic happening between Sexton and Preston.  The fast breaks should be great as they both attack the basket.

  I can see a path forward for the Cavs on a team built for Lebron with 0 expectations to maybe make the playoffs. This becomes Sexton’s team due to his sheer will to win and court vision.  If Preston can play more than 20 minutes a game, the Cavs might be able to scare Toronto.

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Report: Kyrie Irving never wanted LeBron James to rejoin Cavs; almost asked for trade after 2016 title

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-kyrie-irving-never-wanted-lebron-james-to-rejoin-cavs-almost-asked-for-trade-after-2016-title/


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Kinda psyched for summer league tonight. Cavs have a very interesting roster. Obviously top billing goes to Sexton. But I’m very interested to see if Preston had anything, and it will be nice to see Osman and Zizic actually get some run. Osman was showing off an improved 3 stroke at the FIBA qualifier against Ukraine.

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Agree. I find myself refreshed and excited to see if something can be built. And I like the young guys and if the front office does it’s job should have more next year.

 

As far the the kyrie article. The round table was pretty awesome yesterday. Good content. Fairwell guys and thanks for the ring

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Report: Kyrie Irving never wanted LeBron James to rejoin Cavs; almost asked for trade after 2016 title

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-kyrie-irving-never-wanted-lebron-james-to-rejoin-cavs-almost-asked-for-trade-after-2016-title/

 

The egos are out of control.  Without Lebron, Kyrie would not have a ring.  Who knows if he'll ever get a chance again!

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If Kyrie can justify the Earth being flat, he can justify another reason why the only ring he won was with LeBron.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Liked a lot of what I saw from Sexton yesterday. It’s gonna take him a season or two to figure out finishing around NBA length/athleticism. But I thought his passing was better than advertised, and he’s lightning quick. Also seems to play within himself. Of course it was just one game but it was promising.

 

Cedi looked like a man among boys and had a great game (except for missing basically every shot he took). He’s an absolute terror on defense.

 

And Preston definitely seems like he’s worth the two way gamble the Cavs just took. Great size and athleticism and showed great flashes on defense and offense. Still extremely raw though.

 

It’s so nice to just watch and talk basketball after 4 years of endless anxiety! Nobody cares about the Cavs anymore and it feels great!

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I agree Sexton looked pretty good. I think he can be in the top 20 guards in the league by the end of the year.  Sexton was able to tip the ball a lot in passing lanes to create turnovers too.  I totally missed seeing Preston play. Hopefully they will allow him to play with the first team more tonight against the Bulls.  Pretty much what i expected for a first game. Hopefully see some assists tonight from Sexton.

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^ i saw that — i was extremely pleased with the sexton draft grab. unlike the browns, they did good.

 

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boy it didnt take bron long to go full hollywood. i saw he’s in italy hanging out on a yacht with jimmy iovine and brice marsden. lol good luck with that.

 

but seriously, hopefully this long retirement aimed mode will result in his making a bigger pile of money, coming back to the cavs to sign for a day and retire a cavalier, then buying the cavs someday. we’ll see.

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Ha!

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/07/channing-frye-kevin-love-ucla-slippers-slides-punt-cavaliers-locker-room-video-funny-instagram

 

https://thespun.com/news/lebron-james-kevin-love-extension-tweet

 

Really glad for the K Love signing. I'm actually more excited for the Cavs now than I was last season. Sure we're going to lose the bandwagon fans and the glitterati, but bring on the underdogs! Lets see if these guys can win us some games.

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LOL!!!!

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Isaiah Thomas apologizes after making fun of Cleveland in social media post

Denver Nuggets guard Isaiah Thomas apologized Saturday night for a video posted on social media in which he called the city of Cleveland "a s---h---."

 

In the video, Thomas talks about the various cities in which he has played, then makes his comment about Cleveland, adding, "I can see why LeBron left -- again."

 

Thomas later posted an apology on Twitter, and then posted an additional video on Instagram saying, "Cleveland wasn't that bad."

 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24352848/isaiah-thomas-denver-nuggets-mocks-cleveland-social-media-apologizes

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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During the game against Indiana they were playing uninspired, and were pretty unwatchable in the 2nd quarter.  It seemed as though they didn't care too much if they won.  After that game I began to think they were planning on tanking the season for top pics in the next draft (which wouldn't be the first time this happened with Gilbert).  Looks like that may not have been the plan, which points directly to coaching.  I don't know if after 6 games this was the right move, but if this was the direction under Lue that the team was heading, he was bound to be fired.

 

Sucks since he's a championship coach, and helped bring in the parade which is part of Cleveland sports history, and the city's history itself.  Something we all will never forget.

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Wow, 12 games into the season and the narrative is already becoming that we are “fighting for those Duke freshmen”.  I didn’t think we were going back to 2010 when LeBron left for a second time- and many  were even more optimistic than I was, characterizing the Cavs as a possible lower seed playoff team. Now, the K-Love signing looks like just another in a series of bad Cavs decisions as his incredibly early absence has forced the limited Cavs into 2010 mode. Durability is essential for a franchise player and you  couldn’t  have picked worse with the fragile Love. And though Sexton had some success against a weak Bulls team, the supposed new star looks every bit the overwhelmed rookie. And to those in the media who criticized LeBron, especially one very fat and slow pundit at WTAM,  (“only one ring in 4 more tries here” and “he doesn’t make the players around him better”) their idiocy is evident. The biggest problem is that where 2010 led to 2014, this time there   won’t be another return of the King to save the Cavs four years from now.  We could well be looking at years of Cleveland basketball futility because there’s no evidence that this ownership or management has any clue.  The only right move they made lately was ending the tenure of Mr Lue and giving Mr Drew an opportunity.  He may  get some real effort out of this odds and ends collection. I applaud the city’s support so far but I hope there’s someone sitting in the beautiful newer reimagined   Q next season. 

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I was all set to get behind the team this year. The org and players have all but made that impossible. They've ruined basketball for me. 

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On 11/11/2018 at 11:32 AM, CleveFan said:

Wow, 12 games into the season and the narrative is already becoming that we are “fighting for those Duke freshmen”.  I didn’t think we were going back to 2010 when LeBron left for a second time- and many  were even more optimistic than I was, characterizing the Cavs as a possible lower seed playoff team. Now, the K-Love signing looks like just another in a series of bad Cavs decisions as his incredibly early absence has forced the limited Cavs into 2010 mode. Durability is essential for a franchise player and you  couldn’t  have picked worse with the fragile Love. And though Sexton had some success against a weak Bulls team, the supposed new star looks every bit the overwhelmed rookie. And to those in the media who criticized LeBron, especially one very fat and slow pundit at WTAM,  (“only one ring in 4 more tries here” and “he doesn’t make the players around him better”) their idiocy is evident. The biggest problem is that where 2010 led to 2014, this time there   won’t be another return of the King to save the Cavs four years from now.  We could well be looking at years of Cleveland basketball futility because there’s no evidence that this ownership or management has any clue.  The only right move they made lately was ending the tenure of Mr Lue and giving Mr Drew an opportunity.  He may  get some real effort out of this odds and ends collection. I applaud the city’s support so far but I hope there’s someone sitting in the beautiful newer reimagined   Q next season. 

 

We weren't anything this year. We should be tanking. Sixers, Celtics have shown us the blueprint. Tank and acquire picks. 

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2 minutes ago, Sir2geez said:

 

We weren't anything this year. We should be tanking. Sixers, Celtics have shown us the blueprint. Tank and acquire picks. 

And sign Kevin Love? This team makes no sense. They don't even tank the right way. 

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Just now, surfohio said:

And sign Kevin Love? This team makes no sense. They don't even tank the right way. 

 

Part of tanking is acquiring picks from other teams. You can't do that without assets to trade. And signing your own guys is the only way the Cavs will have something worth trading.

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I still think Zizic should be playing more than just garbage minutes. He played great with Osman during the Summer league. That was a fast paced offense free for all. He brought the defense and dominated the boards and also got some easy baskets underneath. I’d like to see a grouping of Zizic, Tristan, Osman, JR, and Hill or Sexton.  Let Nance, Korver, Hood, Clarkson come in as backups. 

  With the injuries, they are going to get maybe 20 wins this year.  They can still dominate the boards against many teams in NBA when they want.  They also have the shooters from 3.  Its awfully crowded at the shooting guard position. I can see them trading out someone from that position. If they are able to get the Zion truck from Duke they should be good to go. 

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Just now, Mendo said:

 

Part of tanking is acquiring picks from other teams. You can't do that without assets to trade. And signing your own guys is the only way the Cavs will have something worth trading.

So why fire Lue then? 

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