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Wow....even though the images are not very clear....this project seems to be moving in the right direction.  The building addresses each of the streets (as far as setback and massing) exactly as it should within the context of downtowns density.  It would fit in seamlessly.  I think this will really be a great addition to that area and hopefully can spark a lot more investment.

 

what about the parking garage in those images?  Is that existing?  If not, it looks to me to be dead to the street.  Can't really tell whats going on there though. 

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Parking is at the interior of the site, and the garage is accessible from Sycamore, which is not the main pedestrian entry point to the building (Eighth).  The first five floors would include the parking garage, with a lobby that fronts on both Eighth and Sycamore.

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^The Blue Wisp is in the best shape its been in for quite some time. Probably since they moved to their current location on 8th.

 

Glad to hear that they're doing well, but I still miss the old location.  It felt more authentic somehow.

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^The Blue Wisp is in the best shape its been in for quite some time.  Probably since they moved to their current location on 8th.

 

Glad to hear that they're doing well, but I still miss the old location.  It felt more authentic somehow.

 

To which former location are you referring?

 

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The one that was completely below streetlevel.  I think it was on Garfield.  It moved shortly after I turned 21, so I only got to go there a few times, but it was very cool.  Was there a location prior even to that?

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Yeah it was in O'Bryonville originally.  The Garfield Place location was fantastic, despite there only being 2 or 3 good tables.  Most of the tables did not have good views or even any views of the band.  The sound was definitely better than the new location, which is very quiet and flat by comparison.  The way the tables were oriented, everybody looked at whoever was walking down the steps, so you had to make a confident entrance.  It had an odd T-shaped layout with a big pillar that blocked everyone's views on the right side.  It also had a really obnoxious air conditioner that scared anyone who was sitting by it when it clicked on. 

 

Oh yeah, and of course you could smoke then and it was extremely smokey.  Also, they famously served underaged, and I definitely was getting served there at age 17 and might have even snuck a few at 16.  That now-closed Thai restaurant on 7th used to serve underaged all the time too.     

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The one that was completely below streetlevel.  I think it was on Garfield. 

 

Like Cheers?    That would be cool nonetheless!!

 

Yeah, but not nearly as nice.  It sort of felt like you were listening to jazz/blues in someone's basement.  It definitely wasn't the fanciest place in the world, but it seemed very "real", if that makes sense.

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Are there enough hotels?

By Keith T. Reed • kreed@enquirer.com • September 27, 2008

 

Two new hotels could be on the drawing board for downtown, raising the question of whether several hundred new rooms - added to the just over 3,000 already there - are needed, and whether they can be built given the national squeeze on lending.

 

Downtown's last new hotel, the 488-room Hyatt Regency Cincinnati, opened in 1984. For most of the years since, hotel managers said, downtown occupancy has hovered around 50 percent.  Downtown hotels, which include such large properties as the Hyatt, the Hilton, the Westin Hotel Cincinnati and the Cincinnatian, were 59.6 percent occupied January through July, compared with 55.7 percent over the same time a year ago, according to industry tracker Smith Travel Research.

 

Read full article here:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/BIZ01/809270328/1076/NEWS

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Seems to partially be a chicken-and-egg thing.  To keep getting big conventions (and to get bigger conventions), the city will need more hotel space.  But I can understand the concern of the current hoteliers. 

 

(It's very reminiscent of the comments from downtown office landlords when QCSII was announced.  But these predictions of calamity don't quite seem to come to fruition.) 

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City approves rezoning for Downtown hotel

http://www.building-cincinnati.com/2008/09/city-approves-rezoning-for-downtown.html

 

Cincinnati City Council has approved unanimously a rezoning ordinance that would allow a hotel to be built at 720 Sycamore Street Downtown.

 

The approval rezones the current Red Cross property from DD-C Downtown Development District to PD Planned Development District (PD-55).

 

DD-C districts do not allow for hotels or commercial lodging.

 

Developer Rolling Hills Properties, LLC has announced its intent to develop a 13-story, upscale hotel containing around 200 guest rooms and 150 enclosed parking spaces, with a street-level lobby fronting on Eighth Street.

 

No hotel operator has been named.

 

Approval of the rezoning also means that Rolling Hills Properties can exercise its option to purchase the building from the American Red Cross, which will move to a new facility at Keystone Parke in Evanston.

 

Construction is scheduled to begin in spring 2010, with completion by the end of 2011.

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Yea it takes forever for a company to relocate.  Usually.  I'm crossing my fingers that this hotel will spark some kind of development in those two gigantic lots across the street.  There's so much potential there.

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Yea it takes forever for a company to relocate.  Usually.  I'm crossing my fingers that this hotel will spark some kind of development in those two gigantic lots across the street.  There's so much potential there.

 

tell that to St. X

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A couple things could have happened.  One is that they got the rezoning to market the site as being zoned for a higher density, thus making it more valuable.  Or they could have gotten the rezoning during a down market thinking that less restrictions or conflict would be seen than when they actually plan on doing it down the road.

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Cincinnati may get new hotel, garages due to casino

By Lisa Bernard-Kuhn • lbernard@enquirer.com • June 18, 2010

 

Comments (0) Recommend Print this page ShareThis Font size:AA Major projects that would add 3,000 new parking spaces and a new hotel could be on the horizon for downtown Cincinnati, as planners prepare for the incoming casino at Broadway Commons.

 

Roughly 1,800 to 2,200 parking spaces are expected to disappear once work begins at Broadway Commons on the $500 million casino.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100618/BIZ01/6190316/Casino-may-spawn-hotel-garages

 

Why do they need 3k more spaces with the loss of 2k spots....especially when the casino is building a garage as well.  After P&G just added 3 more levels to the broadway garage down there, we will be surrounded by garages.  I dont have a problem with garage development as long other development is built on top....

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The Enquirer has a pic that shows the Broadway and Eggleston lot as a triangle so they're obligated to build a Flatiron-type building/hotel. That's the law.  :wink:

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The Enquirer has a pic that shows the Broadway and Eggleston lot as a triangle so they're obligated to build a Flatiron-type building/hotel. That's the law. :wink:

 

Damn right it's law!!

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From a recent article discussing casino parking lot closures.....

 

Meanwhile, the city is "close" to signing off on a proposal with a private developer that would bring a 660-car parking garage and 200-room hotel to the former American Red Cross site at Eighth and Sycamore streets, Hardy said.

 

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20101031/BIZ01/11010324/1055/NEWS/Casino-work-to-cut-parking

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