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Talk about workforce participation rate, inflation, border security, ISIS, etc. all you want. The reason this nature is currently viewed negatively is because we no longer appreciate meat. I salivate every time I walk through there, and if gorge myself to death, then so be it... that's the way I want to go.

 

But in all seriousness, I think mixing the millenial-preferred sustainability-driven shops with the good old fashion butchers and bakers would do the place some good. Though, it certainly would not address the cost issue, especially when Dave's is .25 miles away.

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Contract awarded for pay-to-park, coming soon to West Side Market lots. Looks like it will cost $300 thousand for install.

 

From 12/21 City Record

Resolution No. 500-16.

By Director Cox.

Whereas, under Board of Control

Resolution No. 502-15, adopted

December 16, 2015, under the authority

of Ordinance No. 226-15, passed

by the Cleveland City Council on

April 13, 2015, as amended by Ordinance

No. 1351-15, passed December

11, 2015, the Director of Public

Works entered into an agreement

with Link2Park, Inc. dba Linkology,

City Contract No. CT7008 PS2016*007,

to replace existing parking access

and revenue control equipment that

has exceeded its useful life with

updated equipment and software

providing the latest technology, revenue

control and reporting features,

for both Willard Park and Gateway

Garages, for the Division of Parking

Facilities, Department of Public

Works, for a period not to exceed

two (2) years for fees of

$1,046,178.16; and

Whereas, Board of Control Resolution

No. 333-16, adopted July 20,

2016 under the authority of Ordinance

No. 540-16, passed by Cleveland

City Council on May 23, 2016,

amended Resolution No. 502-15 to

add the West Side Market Parking

Lot as a third site for installation

of updated parking access and revenue

control equipment and software

under Contract No. CT7008

PS2016*007 and to increase the fees

payable under the agreement by

$332,248.00 to $1,378,426.16; and

Whereas, Linkology’s technical

and fee proposals, respectively

dated April 13, 2015 and July 21,

2015, for the above-mentioned parking

revenue and control equipment

agreement required the City to enter

into a separate contract with Payment

Express US LLC (PX) for use

and license of the credit card readers

installed in Linkology’s equipment

at Willard Park Garage, East

Gateway Garage and the West Side

Market Parking Lots; now, therefore,

Be it resolved by the Board of

Control of the City of Cleveland that

the Director of Public Works is

authorized to enter into a written

contract with Payment Express US

LLC (PX) for the above-mentioned

services, based upon the technical

and fee proposals from Link2Park,

Inc., dba Linkology, respectively

dated April 13, 2015 and July 21,

2015, which contract shall be prepared

by the Director of Law, shall

provide that the total payment to

Payment Express US LLC (PX) for

use and license of the credit card

readers shall consist of not to

exceed $27,920.00 per year for software

compliance updates, hardware

maintenance and support fees plus

transaction and various other fees,

all presently projected to total

$83,760.00 for the term, assuming the

City’s exercise of the renewal

option, and shall contain such other

provisions as the Director of Law

deems necessary to protect and benefit

the public interest.

Yeas: Directors Langhenry, Davis,

Interim Director Szabo, Directors

Cox, Gordon, McGrath, Acting Directors

Cosgrove, Ebersole, and Director

O’Leary.

Nays: None.

Absent: Mayor Jackson, Directors

Dumas, West, and Fumich.

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The city's new lease for West Side Market vendors included a ban on talking to reporters. Are you kidding me? https://t.co/J1356UkwFn

 

Because who cares about the 1st amendment?

 

Chuck Hoven will become a criminal evidently:

https://plainpress.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/brothers-produce-at-the-west-side-market/

" Saturday, December 17, 2016, West Side Market, W. 25th and Lorain Avenue: David Gentille and Sam Shaw sell fresh produce at Brothers Produce. Gentille says business is down 70% due to West Side Market parking spots being taken by other area businesses. “I have never seen it this bad,” said Gentille."

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CLEVELAND’S WEST SIDE MARKET IS A NATIONAL TREASURE

By PHOEBE CONNELL

Published On 04/10/2017

 

Thrillist and Chobani have launched a content series devoted to our shared belief in food’s capacity to inspire us, bring us closer together, and even occasionally change the world. And if you’re talking about what you believe in, what better city to spotlight than Believeland?

 

A nyone who has spent more than, oh, say, five minutes with me knows that I harbor an unwavering, some might even argue stridently irrational, love for my hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. The fact that I no longer live along the shores of Lake Erie merely adds an émigré’s fervor to my devotion. Friends and acquaintances regularly forgive (I think?) my constant musings on subjects including but not limited to: the 1995 Indians starting lineup, the 30 Rock Cleveland episode, LeBron James, our underrated art museum (and other cultural institutions), and the safety issues associated with eating Lake Erie perch (many).

 

I’m not blind to the fact that my civic enthusiasm is fueled by a heavy mixture of nostalgia and loyalty. It is safe to say that most of my talk is decidedly hyperbolic. In most cases I embrace the spirit of exaggeration, all the while knowing that it is just that. But when it comes to Cleveland, there is one topic that I know I am never in danger of over-selling, simply because it lives up to all of the praise I heap upon it: the West Side Market.

 

MORE

https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/clevelands-west-side-market


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freshwatercleveland.com

West side story: The West Side Market enters a new era at 94 percent occupancy

Beth Phillips Synk | Thursday, September 28, 2017

6-7 minutes

 

Cleveland’s most notable food institution is enjoying a renaissance. In mid-September, the West Side Market welcomed eight new retailers, bringing the market to 94 percent occupancy. That’s just the latest in a string of changes at the 104-year-old market in recent years. These changes have created benefits and challenges alike for the market’s vendors and the diverse customer base they serve.

 

Among the Market's new retail faces are Ora Bell's, the Market's first African-American family-owned business, and candy shop B.A. Sweetie, which is opening its first off-site location in Northeast Ohio in over 25 years. Also new on the block are Lakewood Plant, Piccadilly Creamery, Matthew Produce, English Treats, Avant Gardens, and Prince Produce.

 

http://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/wsmarket092817.aspx?utm_source=Emma&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=West+side+story%3a+The+West+Side+Market+enters+a+new+era+at+94+percent+occupancy&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_campaign=ICYMI%3a+The+reinvention+of+Kinsman%2c+plus+a+new+Who%27s+Hiring+in+CLE

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From Alan Glazen’s FB:

 

For those following the West Side Market Story, you can have access to the final proposal V3.0  for the Makers & Famers Hall, which we submitted to the city, and received a five word response:  

 

DOES NOT FIT THE TEMPLATE.  

 

You can read the entire proposal, but in summary, it included a $500,000 investment from our 501C3 corp, a complete re-do of the near vacant n/s produce section, addition of chairs, tables, food, drink, samples, education, every food product made in Cleveland, and much more.  

 

Plus, 100% of net profits would go to the actual WSM tenants association. 

 

PM me if you'd like to read the proposal so you can fully understand what we're up against when it comes to this iconic public marketplace.

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So I was on the tour of the WSM/Parking Lot put on by Cleveland 2030/GBC last night and wow, I wasn't going to put it on blast, but all I kept thinking was the city is woefully incompetent at managing the market. Aside from the parking lot tour, the actual interior part of the tour seemed like a PR/hitting back campaign on the part of Felicia Hall towards the vendors which included not taking any type of blame for the loss of vendors (saying it's from generational turnover/lack of interest on the part of the vendors children, etc.).

 

My favorite quote from Ms. Hall (which was echoed repeatedly) was "it's not my job to market their businesses", speaking of the vendors, and that she sees the city as more of "a landlord" than a partner, which is so so wrong. Additionally, she made the comment that at the end of the day she's a manager.

 

Ms. Hall spoke in platitudes and buzzwords such as turning the mostly vacant wing of the produce hall into an *incubator*, and also working with CSU to get the vendors into the *social media* sphere, and a seemingly empty idea of turning the old locker room into a demonstration kitchen.

 

The market needs an actual MARKET MANAGER in charge, with experience in other public markets and one that is open to not just being a landlord- the market wouldn't be anything without the vendors and it sure sounds like the city doesn't realize that and refuses to accept that. All I kept thinking was "don't BS a BS'er", it was easy to see right through the words (hence my frustration in this rant...). 

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1 minute ago, GISguy said:

So I was on the tour of the WSM/Parking Lot put on by Cleveland 2030/GBC last night and wow, I wasn't going to put it on blast, but all I kept thinking was the city is woefully incompetent at managing the market. Aside from the parking lot tour, the actual interior part of the tour seemed like a PR/hitting back campaign on the part of Felicia Hall at the market vendors and not taking any type of blame for the lack of vendors (saying it's from generational turnover/lack of interest on the part of the vendors children, etc.).

 

My favorite quote from Ms. Hall (which was echoed repeatedly) was "it's not my job to market their businesses", speaking of the vendors, and that she sees the city as more of "a landlord" than a partner, which is so so wrong. Additionally, she made the comment that at the end of the day she's a manager.

 

Ms. Hall spoke in platitudes and buzzwords such as turning the mostly vacant wing of the produce hall into an *incubator*, and also working with CSU to get the vendors into the *social media* sphere, and a seemingly empty idea of turning the old locker room into a demonstration kitchen.

 

The market needs an actual MARKET MANAGER in charge, with experience in other public markets and one that is open to not just being a landlord- the market wouldn't be anything without the vendors and it sure sounds like the city doesn't realize that and refuses to accept that. All I kept thinking was "don't BS a BS'er", it was easy to see right through the words (hence my frustration in this rant...). 

 

It also needs to find a way to turn visitors into cash. The place is MOBBED on weekends but vendors are still struggling - as John Taffer says, "once they're through the door, make it irresistible to stay"

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1 minute ago, YABO713 said:

 

It also needs to find a way to turn visitors into cash. The place is MOBBED on weekends but vendors are still struggling - as John Taffer says, "once they're through the door, make it irresistible to stay"

 

Totally agree, for what it's worth, she did mention the issue with vendors not policing themselves (*cough cough produce terminal*), but I've got a couple ideas on my own that can hopefully help folks understand the geography of the space and vendors (I'll share it on here of course! just need to find the time).

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1 minute ago, GISguy said:

 

Totally agree, for what it's worth, she did mention the issue with vendors not policing themselves (*cough cough produce terminal*), but I've got a couple ideas on my own that can hopefully help folks understand the geography of the space and vendors (I'll share it on here of course! just need to find the time).

 

75% of the produce vendors are snake oil salesman with fruit

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I agree the city shouldn't be sitting on its hands.  In my mind the best angle for growth is some focus on vendors selling prepared foods.  Across the county there's a trend of developers building food halls where people can select a variety of high-end ready-to-eat food.  (In some ways these are just fancy food courts.)  These are just attempts to re-create what actually exists at the West SIde Market.  Adding some space in the market for seating would be great.  And I'm not saying all vendors have to convert to only making prepared food.  This just seems like a way to build on the Market's strengths while doing what eaters want.

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1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

75% of the produce vendors are snake oil salesman with fruit

 

And they're all selling the same stuff. No differentiation among products.

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3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

75% of the produce vendors are snake oil salesman with fruit

Do you mean in their statement of where it's sourced? Or??

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25 minutes ago, Robuu said:

Do you mean in their statement of where it's sourced? Or??

 

No I mean selling tourists and suburbanites a pound of strawberries for $2 only for them to get home and realize all of the strawberries on the inside of the box are rotted out. 

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49 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

No I mean selling tourists and suburbanites a pound of strawberries for $2 only for them to get home and realize all of the strawberries on the inside of the box are rotted out. 

 

Not all of the vendors are that dishonest. 

 

I've had that same experience with Costco recently.  And I generally give Costco high marks for quality.

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1 hour ago, Foraker said:

 

Not all of the vendors are that dishonest. 

 

I've had that same experience with Costco recently.  And I generally give Costco high marks for quality.

 

I know - I have a produce stand that I go to regularly. That's why I said 75% in my initial comment

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City pledges funding to West Side Market as closed vendor’s social media post creates stir

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/12/city-pledges-funding-to-west-side-market-as-closed-vendors-social-media-post-creates-stir.html

 

Michael Turczyk pulled no punches on Facebook, citing “ total lack of management from Felicia Hall, horrible slum lords that the city of Cleveland is thanks to mayor Frank Jackson, and worst of all, the lack of fortitude and complete disregard and understanding from Director Michael Cox who in my opinion is a real joke. After spending most of my life as a “marketeer”, this was the last thing I wanted to do. But I had no choice.”

 

 

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2 hours ago, stpats44113 said:

City pledges funding to West Side Market as closed vendor’s social media post creates stir

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/12/city-pledges-funding-to-west-side-market-as-closed-vendors-social-media-post-creates-stir.html

 

Michael Turczyk pulled no punches on Facebook, citing “ total lack of management from Felicia Hall, horrible slum lords that the city of Cleveland is thanks to mayor Frank Jackson, and worst of all, the lack of fortitude and complete disregard and understanding from Director Michael Cox who in my opinion is a real joke. After spending most of my life as a “marketeer”, this was the last thing I wanted to do. But I had no choice.”

 

 

Just read Naymik's piece on it and he did a great job of garnering a wider reaction, here it is: https://www.wkyc.com/amp/article/life/shopping/cleveland-considering-online-ordering-at-west-side-market/

 

As I said previously in this thread, the market manager is terrible and isn't respected by the vendors. I love the idea of a consierge service of sorts- the city needs to realize it isn't 1950 anymore and need to evolve with the times, which it sounds like Whitaker is trying to do.

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A non-profit should be created to manage the facility. It shouldn't be run by the City. 

It doesn't make sense to continue running it the way it has been.

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25 minutes ago, musky said:

A non-profit should be created to manage the facility. It shouldn't be run by the City. 

It doesn't make sense to continue running it the way it has been.

Unfortunately Frank is too stubborn even though it seems everyone else agrees.

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definitely, but it isn't just this mayor, its been that way for a long time.

 

just a guess, but it always seemed to be more than poor management - there seems to be some active, old school pushback against change ...

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6 hours ago, musky said:

A non-profit should be created to manage the facility. It shouldn't be run by the City. 

It doesn't make sense to continue running it the way it has been.

Is Kerry M. on here? Check it out:

 

 

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On 12/10/2019 at 11:18 AM, musky said:

A non-profit should be created to manage the facility. It shouldn't be run by the City. 

It doesn't make sense to continue running it the way it has been.

Why?  What can a non profit do that the city cannot?  

 

How much will it cost?

 

If problems are Identified, what is the difference between creating a non profit to run the market and fix the problems vs.having the current administers of the market do the same?

 

Is creating another level of bureaucracy the answer?

Is management of the Market solely the problem?

 

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3 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

Why?  What can a non profit do that the city cannot?  

 

Be more accountable.

 

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How much will it cost?

 

Less

 

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If problems are Identified, what is the difference between creating a non profit to run the market and fix the problems vs.having the current administers of the market do the same?

 

See above.

 

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Is creating another level of bureaucracy the answer?

 

An independent non-profit is...well...independent of the city and not part of the bureaucracy, hence greater accountability and lower cost.

 

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Is management of the Market solely the problem?

 

So it appears.

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3 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Be more accountable.

 

 

Less

 

 

See above.

 

 

An independent non-profit is...well...independent of the city and not part of the bureaucracy, hence greater accountability and lower cost.

 

 

So it appears.

 come on KJP this cannot be said without seeing actual numbers

 

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16 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

 come on KJP this cannot be said without seeing actual numbers

 

 

It comes down to a single fact: the WSM is never the #1 priority of those who set the budgets and policy in City Hall. If you set up a non-profit and have dedicated staff for the market, their #1 job will be to make sure the market functions well, and they will be able to fundraise for it, and they will be able to make changes more easily. Unlike Cleveland City Council and the mayor's office, who have lots of other things to focus on, the board of directors for the WSM would be exclusively focused on the WSM.

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3 minutes ago, TPH2 said:

 

It comes down to a single fact: the WSM is never the #1 priority of those who set the budgets and policy in City Hall. If you set up a non-profit and have dedicated staff for the market, their #1 job will be to make sure the market functions well, and they will be able to fundraise for it, and they will be able to make changes more easily. Unlike Cleveland City Council and the mayor's office, who have lots of other things to focus on, the board of directors for the WSM would be exclusively focused on the WSM.

do you advocate for a non profit to have sole operation discretion financial management of one of biggest assets?  Who watches the watchdog?

 

I honestly take a look at both sides of the fence in situations like this.

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2 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

 come on KJP this cannot be said without seeing actual numbers

 

 

Any solution requires a bit of faith that it will work. 


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Ideastream's Sound of Ideas Hosting Community Talk on the Future of the West Side Market

 

https://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/01/17/ideastreams-sound-of-ideas-hosting-community-talk-on-the-future-of-the-west-side-market

 

The Sound of Ideas brings its community tour to Market Garden on Tuesday, Jan. 28 at 6 p.m. for a discussion on the future of the West Side Market. 

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“Who Should Run West Side Market? Vendors Say Not Cleveland ”

 

https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/who-should-run-west-side-market-vendors-say-not-cleveland

 

“The debate over the city owned and operated West Side Market continued Tuesday night with the Sound of Ideas Community Tour, and many in the audience of nearly 200 favored Cleveland giving up management of the 107-year-old facility.

 

The vacancy rate for the entire market is currently 30 percent, with 50 percent vacancy in the produce section.

 

“I think pretty much everyone in the room is in agreeance that the city is not capable of running this place anymore and the only people who probably disagree are the people who work for the city,” said Amanda Czuchraj of Czuchraj Meats, a vendor in the market, to cheers from the crowd.”

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9 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

“Who Should Run West Side Market? Vendors Say Not Cleveland ”

 

https://wcpn.ideastream.org/news/who-should-run-west-side-market-vendors-say-not-cleveland

 

“The debate over the city owned and operated West Side Market continued Tuesday night with the Sound of Ideas Community Tour, and many in the audience of nearly 200 favored Cleveland giving up management of the 107-year-old facility.

 

The vacancy rate for the entire market is currently 30 percent, with 50 percent vacancy in the produce section.

 

“I think pretty much everyone in the room is in agreeance that the city is not capable of running this place anymore and the only people who probably disagree are the people who work for the city,” said Amanda Czuchraj of Czuchraj Meats, a vendor in the market, to cheers from the crowd.”

 

But the city can't stash all the competence challenged relatives of the PTB at the airport.....

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I’m not sure if this is the best place for this question. I’m looking to go more often and just wondering if anyone has recommendations for the best vendors? I know Ohio City pasta is great, but what about going for meat and poultry? Is there any decent produce stands? They all seem to sell that same thing.

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On 2/17/2020 at 8:41 AM, JB said:

I’m not sure if this is the best place for this question. I’m looking to go more often and just wondering if anyone has recommendations for the best vendors? I know Ohio City pasta is great, but what about going for meat and poultry? Is there any decent produce stands? They all seem to sell that same thing.

 

Produce stands: DeCaro's and Basketeria

Beef - Lance's or Jim's; Pinzone's (mostly for the meatballs)

Pork/Poultry - D.W. Whittakers and the Pork Chop Shop

Cheese - The Cheese Shop and Mediterranean Import Store (their indoor signage reads "Culinary Specialties")

Seasoning/Spices - Urban Herbs, Narrin for more unusual selection

Prepared foods (I love to cook but don't always have time)

  • Irene Dever (dips, pierogis)
  • Orale' (Mexican)
  • Kim Se (Thai and Cambodian)
  • Jacobs Oasis (Middle Eastern)
  • Ohio City Pasta

And there's always the West Side Market Cafe for breakfast (open even when the Market isn't).

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19 minutes ago, MayDay said:

 

Produce stands: DeCaro's and Basketeria

Beef - Lance's or Jim's; Pinzone's (mostly for the meatballs)

Pork/Poultry - D.W. Whittakers and the Pork Chop Shop

Cheese - The Cheese Shop and Mediterranean Import Store (their signage reads "Culinary Specialties)

Seasoning/Spices - Urban Herbs, Narrin for more unusual selection

Prepared foods (I love to cook but don't always have time)

  • Irene Dever (dips, pierogis)
  • Orale' (Mexican)
  • Kim Se (Thai and Cambodian)
  • Jacobs Oasis (Middle Eastern)
  • Ohio City Pasta

And there's always the West Side Market Cafe for breakfast (open even when the Market isn't).

Thank you so much!

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