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We went about 3 yesterday and it will still packed.  The really strange thing was the lingering smell of cleaning products.  I suppose that will take a few weeks to go away.  IT just did not smell like the market.

 

I did speak with one vendor who was skeptical about any of the fundraising money getting back to the vendors.  I hope that some of the money from the various fund raising drives does directly make it to the vendors.  It is completely appalling that the city is not forgiving rent.  How can you charge rent when the space was closed?

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Although I have done a decent amount of shopping at the Westside Market here and there I am somewhat of a novice in terms of the meat selection.  I want to get some pork chops for some friends of mine and have no idea if it matters which stand I buy them from.  Does anyone highly recommend any particular stand to buy meats? or pork chops in particular?

 

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WSM is getting new sh!TTers.  Yeah!

 

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) -

Renovation crews began work Tuesday on the south side restrooms at the City of Cleveland's historic West Side Market. While these improvements are being made, the Market's north side restrooms will remain open to the public.

 

Signs are posted to help assist visitors and customers locate the north side restrooms.

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/24184637/million-dollar-improvements-to-west-side-market-bathrooms

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Although I have done a decent amount of shopping at the Westside Market here and there I am somewhat of a novice in terms of the meat selection.  I want to get some pork chops for some friends of mine and have no idea if it matters which stand I buy them from.  Does anyone highly recommend any particular stand to buy meats? or pork chops in particular?

 

 

The inside meat stands aren't quite like the produce arcade where you *do* have some shady purveyors (fyi, for produce - stick with Basketeria, DeCaros and Bacha and you'll be fine). I have to agree with bumsquare, for pork and poultry I go to Whittakers - make sure to tell them what you're planning to make, how many people, etc. They have pork chops that are thick, extra-thick, butterfly, thin, etc. so if you can tell them "I need to make _____ for x-amount of people", that'll help them help you. If you don't know how long to cook something, ask them - they'll write it down.

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West Side Market faces changes to parking, days and hours (photos)

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on June 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM, updated June 17, 2015 at 7:43 AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Girding itself for controversy, the city of Cleveland is pushing ahead with a series of potential changes in and around the West Side Market, the venerable public shopping hall that celebrated its 100th birthday in 2012.

 

A broad-based effort to tackle the Market District's parking problems could yield hundreds of additional spaces between now and 2017. Some spaces will be new, while others will result from more efficient use of existing parking in the district. And paid parking, long rumored, will supplant free lots behind the market.

 

That's not all.

 

As soon as Jan. 1, shoppers might be able to pop into the market on Sundays and on Wednesday evenings – the first substantial shift in the facility's days and hours since 1912.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/west_side_market_faces_changes.html


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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The attitudes of some of the vendors frustrate me.  Why are they trying to compete with the suburban 24 hour grocery store?  That's not their market at all.  They offer a completely different experience that people are willing to travel for.  Those people will pay a few bucks to park for that experience if they must.  They're already spending more on gas to get there.

 

If they want to attract more everyday shoppers from the neighborhood than they need to improve their hours.  You can't have zero evening weekday hours and expect the community, most of which work 9-5, to make purchases there on a regular basis.  And why is this so complicated anyway?  The city should simply state the hours that the building will be open and each individual stand can determine their own operating hours within those building hours.  Why does every stand need to be open for every hour that the market is open? 

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If they want to attract more everyday shoppers from the neighborhood than they need to improve their hours.  You can't have zero evening weekday hours and expect the community, most of which work 9-5, to make purchases there on a regular basis.  And why is this so complicated anyway?  The city should simply state the hours that the building will be open and each individual stand can determine their own operating hours within those building hours.  Why does every stand need to be open for every hour that the market is open?

 

I agree completely they need to expand their hours. Though I wouldn't go shopping on a day where only half the stands are open. That is the risk you run making days optional. Availability is important. Factors like parking and price are all secondary if the vendors aren't even open.

 

Could they lower the price per sq ft somewhat to cover the cost of being open additional hours?

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I also don't understand the attitude that "a parking garage won't fix it." There are multilevel structures all over urban areas that park tons of cars and allow for shopping at places that don't have big, sprawling lots. Most with a  half hour free parking. If I can go to the santa monica mall and park for free, I can't believe I can't park in the near proximity to downtown cleveland to shop and park for free for at least a little while.

 

As to Hoot's comments, if the stands are not all consistently open when the market is supposed to be open, that's a huge problem. Can you imagine going to Heinen's and sometimes when you go, the deli is closed, and sometimes they're open, but you're supposed to remember which day? A market should have all of it's arms working when it's open and not leave it up to the visitors to try to play a guessing game or memory game of which stand is open which days and which hours.

 

I also completely agree their hours are way outdated and if they want to survive, they need to evolve.

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They have to overcome a long standing tradition of open hours due to an agreement with other markets (none of which exist any longer)!

 

I too wonder why this just can't be dealt with easily.

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If they want to attract more everyday shoppers from the neighborhood than they need to improve their hours.  You can't have zero evening weekday hours and expect the community, most of which work 9-5, to make purchases there on a regular basis.  And why is this so complicated anyway?  The city should simply state the hours that the building will be open and each individual stand can determine their own operating hours within those building hours.  Why does every stand need to be open for every hour that the market is open?

 

I agree completely they need to expand their hours. Though I wouldn't go shopping on a day where only half the stands are open. That is the risk you run making days optional. Availability is important. Factors like parking and price are all secondary if the vendors aren't even open.

 

Could they lower the price per sq ft somewhat to cover the cost of being open additional hours?

 

Shopping malls are very strict about the hours their stores are open for this reason. Even for big snowstorms or hurricanes, the people who run the mall decide if and when the stores are allowed to close, and they all do it at the same time. They also have a lot of other miscellaneous rules vendors are expected to follow. I imagine the West Side Market is operating from similar principles.

 

The North Market in Cbus recently went through this and expanded their hours. There was a little bit of grumbling from some vendors and employees but they all are required to follow it.

 

http://www.dispatch.com/content/blogs/the-bottom-line/2015/02/north-markets-new-hours.html

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I'll bet they'll try expanded hours on a trial basis, the business will increase by a good margin, and the vendors will suddenly love it.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I also don't understand the attitude that "a parking garage won't fix it." There are multilevel structures all over urban areas that park tons of cars and allow for shopping at places that don't have big, sprawling lots. Most with a  half hour free parking. If I can go to the santa monica mall and park for free, I can't believe I can't park in the near proximity to downtown cleveland to shop and park for free for at least a little while.

 

As to Hoot's comments, if the stands are not all consistently open when the market is supposed to be open, that's a huge problem. Can you imagine going to Heinen's and sometimes when you go, the deli is closed, and sometimes they're open, but you're supposed to remember which day? A market should have all of it's arms working when it's open and not leave it up to the visitors to try to play a guessing game or memory game of which stand is open which days and which hours.

 

I also completely agree their hours are way outdated and if they want to survive, they need to evolve.

 

Actually, if you go to a 24 hour Giant Eagle or Wallyworld you will find that some of the specialty departments are closed during the wee hours.

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Well yes. But MOST people would not expect the deli to be open at 9:30 at night or whatever. That's not the same thing as a regular business day or early evening, when the majority of people shop. And is not the same as the deli being open like every other tuesday when it's not a full moon.

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Fresh Brewed Tees Announces West Side Market Location

 

Big news, T-shirt fans. Cleveland gear proprietor Fresh Brewed Tees has announced the opening of a new shop located in Ohio City's historic West Side Market.

 

Looking for a job? Fresh Brewed Tees is also in the midst of hiring for the new Ohio City outlet, so there's that too.

 

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2015/11/18/fresh-brewed-tees-announces-west-side-market-location

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West Side Market will add Sunday hours starting April 3; parking-lot revamp to begin (photos)

By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

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on March 02, 2016 at 5:00 AM, updated March 02, 2016 at 7:08 AM

 

CLEVELAND – Attention, West Side Market shoppers!

 

The historic food hall will undergo a controversial schedule change next month, adding Sundays to the mix after years of debate and more than a century of consistent hours.

 

Cleveland officials confirmed that the city-owned facility will be open from noon to 6 p.m. on Sundays starting April 3. The city also is preparing to combine and reconfigure two parking lots behind the market, in a project that will contribute to congestion over the next 10 months but, upon completion, will add more than 100 sorely-needed spaces to the district.

 

Those are the headline changes, for now.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/03/west_side_market_will_add_sund.html#incart_river_home


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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"It's like everything else in Cleveland," City Councilman Joe Cimperman, who represents the neighborhood, said of consternation about the changes. "The sky is falling, and then you realize what's falling are gumdrops and jellybeans. The end isn't near. The beginning is near."

 

Cimperman believes the changes are necessary to ensure that the market stays relevant and lasts another century.

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I tend to agree with Cimperman here. Most of the vendors come off as "I'm doing a service, you should be thanking me" versus "how can I better serve my customers."

 

I'm sure they have valid concerns, but they don't present them well.

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Joshua Jones

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The energy at @WestSideMarket’s first Sunday is electric. I gotta come here more. Maha’s Falafil for #brunch.

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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West Side Market ‏@WestSideMarket  44m44 minutes ago

We are OPEN! Enjoy music from the Cleveland Cello Quartet while you shop.

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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^ that's so weak. Adversity in the business world, and you quit? Think bigger, change up your game plan, evolve.  I guess the weak will be phased out. I'm sure someone will take those spots.

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i thought that the soup place just opened up in past two months. With the Souper Market just across the street, I'm not surprised if they didn't fair well.

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

Totally agree. 

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

I think the authenticity of the West Side Market being a market that hasn't been tainted with tourist-trap stuff is a lot of what makes it a tourist destination.  I would be wary of messing with that.

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

I think the authenticity of the West Side Market being a market that hasn't been tainted with tourist-trap stuff is a lot of what makes it a tourist destination.  I would be wary of messing with that.

 

Anecdotally, whenever I bring visitors to the WSM for the first time, they almost always comment on the lack of prepared to order food available. They all think the place is cool, but don't really see a reason to spend much time there besides a quick walk through.

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

From what I gather this will be the essence of the food hall at Van Aken

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

I think the authenticity of the West Side Market being a market that hasn't been tainted with tourist-trap stuff is a lot of what makes it a tourist destination.  I would be wary of messing with that.

 

Anecdotally, whenever I bring visitors to the WSM for the first time, they almost always comment on the lack of prepared to order food available. They all think the place is cool, but don't really see a reason to spend much time there besides a quick walk through.

 

It's an outstanding facility, but your guests are right. It's not cheaper or better products to do your grocery shopping there.  With new butchers popping up like Ohio city provisions, saucisson and organic grocers,  it's not at all convenient to do general shopping there. Personally, I go to the market for 2-3 stands: Ohio city pasta, pierogie palace and pork chop shop.  Everything else is pretty easily replaceable.  There are some fun options to get prepared foods for sure, but there is a lot more opportunity to improve

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After visiting dozens of markets in Europe over the last couple of years I think a key to the future of the West Side Market is more prepared to order food stands that also serve alcohol.  It was amazing the number or places that you could sit and grab a drink or small plate of food in the markets in Europe and it's something I'd love to see adopted here.  Especially since the market is becoming more of a tourist destination than a daily market I think the vendors are missing potential sales to an entire segment of consumers.

 

I think the authenticity of the West Side Market being a market that hasn't been tainted with tourist-trap stuff is a lot of what makes it a tourist destination.  I would be wary of messing with that.

 

I took the suggestion as an expansion type of thing, leaving the old Market as is. Maybe that's just where my mind went, I immediately thought of a Torvehallerne type of set-up, on a portion of the lot just north of Market Ave.

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I don't want to see it turn into a tourist trap, but the WSM should revisit their roster of vendors and do more to attract new stalls that are making unique locally sourced or made products.  The bakeries, dairies, and meat stands already do ok(but far from perfect) at this, but the fruit and veggie stands need a better business model. Right now it's 20 vendors selling the same mix of things they picked up from the food terminal right in a row, each trying to catch your attention by calling out to you as you pass.  Making it into more of a farmer's market would give more reason to shop there as opposed to the local grocery.

 

I also think they should investigate getting some local breweries, wineries, etc in.  Either with their own spaces, or with a specialty retailer selling only local products.  There's so much food and beverage entrepreneurship happening in Cleveland.  The WSM doesn't need to turn touristy, it just needs to keep up with that.

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All I know is that the instant I walked into Quincy Market and saw a Starbucks on the left, I turned around and left.  Regardless of whether it's a chain or not, the appearance of a tourist trap can be a huge turnoff, especially if that's not the experience you're expecting.  I do think the fruit and veggie stands could be improved, and I do agree with X on pretty much all points about trying to attract local products.

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X is right.  more local specialty spots and the ability to sell alcohol in a responsible fashion.  Places like Red Lotus, Brewnuts, Cleveland Bagel Co., The Shaker Square Mushroom man, these places would elevate the market as more unique.  The produce section is pretty awful.  I hate when they shout at me. There is nothing special about that produce either, unless you make your way to the back hallway.

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