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2 hours ago, KJP said:

2 Days In Cleveland: What To Do, See & Eat

https://www.passportvoyager.com/2-days-in-cleveland-itinerary/

 

Day 1:

“Grab Breakfast at Jack Flaps”

 

Oops. 😀

 

Overall it was really good and I agreed with the recommendations, although I don’t know how any sane person would pack that much into two days. (Or maybe I’m forgetting what it was like to not have young children.)

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I'm putting this here because it is most probably a complete fantasy.  Andrew Yang, an obscure Democratic candidate for president has proposed moving the NIH to Cleveland.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/trump-wants-move-agencies-out-washington-dc

 

My wife is a retired NIH scientist - she laughed at the idea of moving the whole agency (almost 40,000 people) but then said, "The headquarters could go. They could go anywhere." Meaning to hell for all she cared. The headquarters, a couple of hundred talent-free (according to the scientists) people, wouldn't need anything as elaborate or expensive as a labratory building and could move rather quickly.

 

It's NOT going to happen.  🤣

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22 hours ago, Dougal said:

I'm putting this here because it is most probably a complete fantasy.  Andrew Yang, an obscure Democratic candidate for president has proposed moving the NIH to Cleveland.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/trump-wants-move-agencies-out-washington-dc

 

My wife is a retired NIH scientist - she laughed at the idea of moving the whole agency (almost 40,000 people) but then said, "The headquarters could go. They could go anywhere." Meaning to hell for all she cared. The headquarters, a couple of hundred talent-free (according to the scientists) people, wouldn't need anything as elaborate or expensive as a labratory building and could move rather quickly.

 

It's NOT going to happen.  🤣

 

Yang may not be in the lead, but I like his ideas better than the others'.

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I'm not seeing a Haslam thread, so I'll post this here:

 

Haslam 3 Foundation donates $4.5 million to 3 Cleveland arts organizations

 

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/08/haslam-3-foundation-donates-45-million-to-3-cleveland-arts-organizations.html

 

"The Haslam 3 Foundation, funded by Dee and her husband Jimmy, is donating $4.5 million for education-based programs at three arts organizations - Playhouse Square, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Cleveland Orchestra."

 

It's nice to see them making big charitable contributions here.

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Greater Cleveland attracted a record 19.2 million visitors in 2018, outpacing Ohio and U.S. growth

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/08/greater-cleveland-attracted-a-record-192-million-visitors-in-2018-outpacing-ohio-and-us-growth.html

 

Greater Cleveland welcomed a record 19.2 million visitors in 2018, up 3.9 % from the year before — a rate of increase that outpaced both the rest of Ohio and the nation.

It’s the eighth year in a row that visitor growth in Cleveland has outperformed the rest of the United States, according to Destination Cleveland, the region’s tourism bureau.

 

 

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Looks like a cool event. Will cross-post in the events thread as well:

 

THE LEVIN COLLEGE FORUM - CSU

LEGACY CITIES: CONTINUITY AND CHANGE AMID DECLINE AND REVIVAL

BOOK RELEASE FORUM

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2019  |  4 - 6 PM

Legacy cities, also commonly referred to as shrinking, or post-industrial cities, are places that have experienced sustained population loss and economic contraction. In the United States, legacy cities are those that are largely within the Rust Belt that thrived during the first half of the 20th century. In the second half of the century, these cities declined in economic power and population leaving a legacy of housing stock, warehouse districts, and infrastructure that is ripe for revitalization. This volume explores not only the commonalities across legacy cities in terms of industrial heritage and population decline, but also their differences. Legacy Cities poses the questions: What are the legacies of legacy cities? How do these legacies drive contemporary urban policy, planning and decision-making? And, what are the prospects for the future of these cities? Contributors primarily focus on Cleveland, Ohio, but all Rust Belt cities are discussed.

Open to the public and free to attend.
The Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs - CSU
Roberta Steinbacher Atrium
1717 Euclid Avenue | Cleveland, OH 44115

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Cleveland Hts is looking at a program that apparently Newburgh Hts invented:  paying off some student loan debt if someone lives in the municipality. In Cle Hts's case they are looking at only specific parts of the suburb or maybe just to fill in vacant lots. This is interesting. Not sure if the program would pay for itself or not, but its worth exploring. Could the City of Cleveland do this? Maybe just for infill spots or may just in certain neighborhoods?  Its worth looking into.  Congrats to Newburgh Hts for thinking of this potentially innovative program.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/09/cleveland-heights-officials-still-looking-at-student-loan-incentive-program-to-attract-new-homeowners.html

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I flew Southwest Airlines from Burbank to Oakland this morning and the September issue of Southwest Magazine has a pretty good article on Cleveland. There’s a great picture looking over a lake full of boats to the skyline. 

 

The article starts on page 60 of the print version and 68 of the online version available at the link below. 

 

https://issuu.com/southwestmag/docs/september2019

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5 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said:

I flew Southwest Airlines from Burbank to Oakland this morning and the September issue of Southwest Magazine has a pretty good article on Cleveland. There’s a great picture looking over a lake full of boats to the skyline. 

 

The article starts on page 60 of the print version and 68 of the online version available at the link below. 

 

https://issuu.com/southwestmag/docs/september2019

Saw that too. Very well done.

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7 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

I flew Southwest Airlines from Burbank to Oakland this morning and the September issue of Southwest Magazine has a pretty good article on Cleveland. There’s a great picture looking over a lake full of boats to the skyline. 

 

The article starts on page 60 of the print version and 68 of the online version available at the link below. 

 

https://issuu.com/southwestmag/docs/september2019

 

I learned something new in this article: I did not previously know that Cleveland had the first electric streetcar. A little additional internet research informs me that opening in 1884 it was first in the USA (not the world), but that’s still pretty cool. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram#Electric

 

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Yup!

 

Funny, but Carl Benz began the first commercial production of motor vehicles with internal combustion engines just two years later in 1886, but streetcars are old-fashioned. 😕

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you probably saw ric ocasek (richard theodore otcasek) of the cars died in his sleep the other day at the age of -- at least -- 75, sadly from smoking, i would hope joining his homie ben orr (benjamin orzechowski) up there in classic new wave rocker heaven.

 

but besides ocasek obfuscating his age, its really kind of surprising how long they had been at it before the cars.

 

orr and ocasek were in bands in cleveland and columbus (and supposedly at bgsu, ann arbor and antioch too) before they both moved out to boston together in the early seventies.

 

i could not find much on that, except one big at the time cle band both were in was called the grasshoppers from 1964-6, which appeared on the big 5 show aka the upbeat show. they also opened for all the big touring acts of the day, like the beach boys, etc.. after that, they were in local bands called mixed emotions and colours and ocasek was drafted, but somehow did not go to vietnam. later still, they got back together as an osu area band called ID nirvana in 1968.

 

so i think the pic below was of the first band they formed when they moved out to boston in the early 1970s, followed by several others, before they formed cars in 1978. 

 

http://www.popgeekheaven.com/music-discovery/lost-treasures-milkwood-ric-ocasek

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/benjamin-orr-before-the-cars/

 

 

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3 hours ago, mrnyc said:

you probably saw ric ocasek (richard theodore otcasek) of the cars died in his sleep the other day at the age of -- at least -- 75, sadly from smoking, i would hope joining his homie ben orr (benjamin orzechowski) up there in classic new wave rocker heaven.

 

but besides ocasek obfuscating his age, its really kind of surprising how long they had been at it before the cars.

 

orr and ocasek were in bands in cleveland and columbus (and supposedly at bgsu, ann arbor and antioch too) before they both moved out to boston together in the early seventies.

 

i could not find much on that, except one big at the time cle band both were in was called the grasshoppers from 1964-6, which appeared on the big 5 show aka the upbeat show. they also opened for all the big touring acts of the day, like the beach boys, etc.. after that, they were in local bands called mixed emotions and colours and ocasek was drafted, but somehow did not go to vietnam. later still, they got back together as an osu area band called ID nirvana in 1968.

 

so i think the pic below was of the first band they formed when they moved out to boston in the early 1970s, followed by several others, before they formed cars in 1978. 

 

http://www.popgeekheaven.com/music-discovery/lost-treasures-milkwood-ric-ocasek

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/benjamin-orr-before-the-cars/

 

 

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I think we’ve talked about this on here before, Ric’s pre-Cars biography has always been kind of obscure.   When they were big, Valley Forge got a major status boost in local circles because Ben went there.    But no one at Maple Heights save a few older alumni (who mostly covered for him) knew that he had graduated from there in 1963.  Those who saw “Richard Otcasek” all over the yearbook typically thought it was a coincidence of names, because his official biography said he was born in 1949.  

 

We started talking about this on my Maple Heights nostalgia FB group.    I asked John Gorman, he started talking about age being meaningless to rock and roll.  Thought he was avoiding the question, as it was it was a very relevant answer.  Jeff Kinsbach said people around the biz in the area knew he was from Maple, he didn’t elaborate on why this wasn’t trumpeted like Orr, Adler, Cartellone, etc. were.   I never did get ahold of Matt the Cat, another erstwhile Mustang.

 

Things added up when one of his HS buddies filled me in.   Apparently, early in the band’s career some of the suits decided they would be more marketable if he was under 30, so they simply knocked five years off his “official” age.   Which of course meant he had to be vague about his musical past, and certainly couldn’t say he graduated from high school at age 14.

 

I would imagine one of the best perks of being a rock star would be returning to one’s home town and old high school as a Really Big Deal.   He didn’t get to do that.  It could have been like in “Eddie and the Cruisers”, where they play a show at the drummer’s old college and Eddie doesn’t include him in the band intros.   It’s common knowledge he was sensitive about his age, he could have been about Cleveland as well.

 

He finally corrected the record on a low key basis just before the Rock Hall induction, but even the New York Times obit was still confused about his age.

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the couple of times I saw Ric Ocasek on the street (with Paulina), I remember how emaciated he looked, like he was possibly anorexic. Maybe he was like that when is was young (?). Surprised how old he was though, but didn't you, erocc, once post his HS senior picture from 1962? So 75 makes sense.

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So, some of you may know I am a "Destination Expert" for Cleveland on TripAdvisor. I answer questions for people traveling to the area, been doing this for a very long time (I'm also a Put-in-Bay DE). A couple months ago a guy from Ottowa, Canada posted who was trying to figure out all the spots in the Drew Carey opening so they could recreate it when he and his fam visited Cleveland, and there was one nobody could come up with. I'm pretty proud that I was able to nail the missing location. I think this, combined with the fact that I've lived here a decade longer than I ever lived in my hometown, make me an unofficial "Cleveland native."

 

(for you location nerds, it was the US Bank Building, which has something reference "Renaissance" on it in the show opening, but nobody could figure it out because it wasn't the Renaissance Hotel building. I took one look and was like oh heck, that's the US Bank building. I googled it and found out it used to be called the Renaissance Center way back in the day, which you nerds probably already knew but I didn't. I only know because I swear to god I've interviewed in every building downtown. Anyway, I was pretty glad to get this little bit of Cleveland treasure hunting stuff, and I think their video is super cute.
 

 

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15 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

the couple of times I saw Ric Ocasek on the street (with Paulina), I remember how emaciated he looked, like he was possibly anorexic. Maybe he was like that when is was young (?). Surprised how old he was though, but didn't you, erocc, once post his HS senior picture from 1962? So 75 makes sense.

 

That was me, and several have shown up in my group since.   He confirmed just before he went into the Rock Hall that he indeed was Maple '63 and his Wikipedia bio age updated as well.

 

There was this, that just found its way to WTAM's Twitter.

 

 

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So I went to visit a friend in Findlay OH over the weekend for the purpose of going to the haunted Mansfield Reformatory Prison on Saturday night. So he's from down near Columbus originally and has only been to Cleveland once to the RNR HOF. He explained that Findlay being south of Toledo on the I75 corridor, is not really connected to Cleveland directly and is not really on the radar of places to go for that part of Ohio. It's roundabout to go up 75 and turnpike...and takes a few hours. It's easier to go to Toledo (of course), fly for work out of Detroit, go to Columbus or Dayton...etc.

 

So, I suggested that we go to Cleveland for the day, then drive down to Mansfield at night for the haunted prison.

 

He was right...getting to the turnpike was a lot of country highways, took 2 hours. Valet parked at E 4th St. Walked around Downtown and an Amish Choir was singing on Public Square. Grabbed a slice at a pizza shop on Euclid. Went to the top of Terminal Tower. Took the rapid (he didn't even know CLE had trains) to WSM and GLB...all packed with people, and there was an outdoor thing going on in the little plaza by GLB. 

 

Took the rapid from Ohio City to Little Italy. Rapid seemed to be running nicely every 15 min as scheduled. Little Italy was packed with people, had coffee and some bakery. Walked over to University Circle. Tons of people out and wedding party photos being taken.

 

Took the Healthline back to Playhouse Square, went in Heinen's and had a drink. Stopped into the candy store and popcorn shop at the 5th St arcade. Went to Greenhouse Tavern for Dinner, and had a drink at Society afterward. Picked up the car at the Valet...and it was off to Mansfield.

 

My point? Everywhere was lively and filled with people. Rapid and Healthline were both full...we had to stand (not complaining). Saw TWO people randomly pick up trash from the street downtown and the rapid and throw it away. The City looked great, and the people were friendly and Cosmopolitan. It felt like a real city..and was so damn easy to have a great day site seeing. 

 

Granted, it was beautiful weather Saturday...but every time I go back to Cleveland it just gets better and better and there are more people out and about. My friend was really impressed.

 

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A few more notable notes or musings:

 

Near Case Western, there was a Jewish guy speaking to a group of people in an outdoor forum about how and why the Jewish community power structure began to move to Beachwood in the 1970's

 

In the same area in University Circle we heard 5 different languages being spoken in a matter of minutes.

 

At the plaza near GLB there were a lot of political activists working to sign up people to vote in Cuyahoga county and make change.

 

We saw multilple street perfomers singing and playing instruments...I always give those folks money.

 

We passed what I think was a Nation of Islam group having a discussion on the street downtown...and videotaping it.

 

I witnessed 4 people help an older lady get on the Healthline with her granny cart of groceries, my friend and I helped her get the cart off the bus at Playhouse square because the gap to the platform was too wide.

 

People were riding Bird Scooters in all the neighborhoods

 

On the rapid out the window, we saw a skateboard park full of kids at one point.

 

Homeless asking for money...of course you'll have that. Worse than any other city? Probably less. In front of tower city? Seriously not bad. 

 

So yeah...all that looks really cool IMO to my friend 😀

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TIL after ‘video killed the radio star’ was famously and appropriately played first, and then down the list after two pretenders songs, ‘he can’t love you’ by msb was the 47th video played on mtv.

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^ I would bet that Devo’s “Whip it” wasn’t far behind!

 

Funny that MSB’s biggest (only?) hit song wasn’t sang by Michael Stanley. 

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8 hours ago, surfohio said:

^ I would bet that Devo’s “Whip it” wasn’t far behind!

 

Funny that MSB’s biggest (only?) hit song wasn’t sang by Michael Stanley. 

 

MSB had seven top-100 hits:

 

https://www.billboard.com/music/michael-stanley-band/chart-history


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4 hours ago, KJP said:

7 songs in the top 100? Im honestly surprised. As someone who didnt grow up in Ohio and religiously listened to radio & American Top 40, I’d only heard “He Can’t Love You.” 

 

This could get me banned from the thread, but I’d say arch nemesis Donnie Iris has a leg up on Michael Stanley. “Leah” and “Love is like a rock” got a lot more airplay.

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Loved "Ah Leah"!

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haha you guys missed by far donnie iris’ best song.

 

the rapper.

 

and yeah i would agree donnie boy’s hits were more well known and hold up better today.

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Don't forget his "biggest" hit from when he was in Wild Cherry, "Play That Funky Music"!


“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

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21 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said:

Don't forget his "biggest" hit from when he was in Wild Cherry, "Play That Funky Music"!

 

I'd love to forget it.  It's a point of pride for Cleveland that disco never caught up to rock and roll here.    Unlike Pittsburgh, where "The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh" contends for the Worst Movie Ever by combining disco, astrology, and PIttsburgh sports for a triple threat of suckitude.

 

He wasn't with them then though, for that song.  Only the last album.

 

I always considered "Agnes" his best song, probably followed by "Tenth Street".

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10 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

I'd love to forget it.  It's a point of pride for Cleveland that disco never caught up to rock and roll here.    Unlike Pittsburgh, where "The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh" contends for the Worst Movie Ever by combining disco, astrology, and PIttsburgh sports for a triple threat of suckitude.

 

He wasn't with them then though, for that song.  Only the last album.

 

I always considered "Agnes" his best song, probably followed by "Tenth Street".

What?  Disco was and is huge here.

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4 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

What?  Disco was and is huge here.

question mark wtf GIF

 

It never supplanted rock and roll in this area like it did other places.    WMMS had a lot to do with it.  Always sort of a niche thing.

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4 hours ago, BigDipper 80 said:

Don't forget his "biggest" hit from when he was in Wild Cherry, "Play That Funky Music"!

 

 

noper -- iris played with that band for a bit after funky music was already a hit --  wiki sez he was on their last album.

 

one of the guys who co-wrote it went to lorain high for awhile though.

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I forgot about those.

Plus all the certain ethnic (although, self-deprecating) jokes they had. 

The one skit I remember I know for sure would not air now centered around a pediatricians office with a bunch of moms feeding their babies... one had chocolate milk. Sort of a play on some of the old Little Rascals bits. 

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What a fascinating, unusual story.  Hope he can get some help and community support.

 

Rapper from Japan with dreams of meeting Bone Thugs gets stranded in Cleveland

POSTED 6:56 PM, OCTOBER 15, 2019, BY ED GALLEK, UPDATED AT 07:40PM, OCTOBER 15, 2019

 

https://fox8.com/2019/10/15/rapper-from-japan-with-dreams-of-meeting-bone-thugs-gets-stranded-in-cleveland/

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^I saw that on the news last night- I would members of the group would get this guy back home.  I wish someone would have told him that though they may still come around,  they left St. Clair a loooooooooong time ago!

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