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15 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Yeah and honestly I don't have a problem with them being loud, really. I do have a problem with them getting into altercations that make neighbors fear for their safety. The neighbors next to us are elderly, and often complain to me that they worry about them. 

 

Here's the catch 22. My side of the street has Kerry, the other side of the street has Zone - so they have a different councilman than we do - so my complaint wouldn't be coming from a ward resident lol. FWIW, Kerry has been nothing but great

 

Because of this council borderline I would echo what the poster above said about maintaining contact with the CDC safety/crime person, whether that be in Detroit Shoreway or Ohio City.  

Also, you're an attorney right?  Make sure to keep meticulous logs of what happened, when, and the result of any action.   This can be crucial in taking any action in the future whether it be against the tenants or landlord. 

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3 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

Because of this council borderline I would echo what the poster above said about maintaining contact with the CDC safety/crime person, whether that be in Detroit Shoreway or Ohio City.  

Also, you're an attorney right?  Make sure to keep meticulous logs of what happened, when, and the result of any action.   This can be crucial in taking any action in the future whether it be against the tenants or landlord. 

 

Okay, I'll make sure I note it all. 

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I think you made a strategic error.  You should have gone to them first, as unpleasant as a that might be, and then call the cops if their behavior did not change.  By going to the cops first you have demonstrated that you are intimidated by them and they will act accordingly.

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7 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I think you made a strategic error.  You should have gone to them first, as unpleasant as a that might be, and then call the cops if their behavior did not change.  By going to the cops first you have demonstrated that you are intimidated by them and they will act accordingly.

 

I wasn’t going to put myself or my wife in the middle of a domestic dispute

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2 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I wasn’t going to put myself or my wife in the middle of a domestic dispute

I understand that but you have to weigh that against the consequences.  I live next to the entrance to a large park.  I have intervened constantly with respect to violations of park rules, noise, people in the park when it is closed, etc. as have other neighbors.  It took a while but the park is quiet and clean now.  I think that the people I approached, on some level respected that I did not go to the cops first.

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3 minutes ago, Terdolph said:

I understand that but you have to weigh that against the consequences.  I live next to the entrance to a large park.  I have intervened constantly with respect to violations of park rules, noise, people in the park when it is closed, etc. as have other neighbors.  It took a while but the park is quiet and clean now.  I think that the people I approached, on some level respected that I did not go to the cops first.

Yeah, but when your NAME is on the park, that adds weight to it.   "Terdolph is telling us to get out of his park man!" 😉

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5 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Yeah, but when your NAME is on the park, that adds weight to it.   "Terdolph is telling us to get out of his park man!" 😉

Well, there is that of course!

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On 8/13/2019 at 11:55 AM, KJP said:

My agenda is to keep my six-year-old son safe. Nothing is more important to me. Thanks for assuming I have darker motives.

 

In all honesty Ken, most people don't get it until they have a kid.  I didn't, not entirely.

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On 8/14/2019 at 12:07 AM, KJP said:

 

 

Polensek got 87% of the vote against a pretty reasonable and apparently qualified opponent last time around, mostly because he takes care of his district but partly because of comments like this.   

It's culture, not race.

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23 hours ago, YABO713 said:

Hey all,

 

So I am doing what I do so often - turning to my UrbanOhio family for some advice. 

 

Five months ago, one familial unit of about 11 people, aged from parents to an 11 year old (most in their early 20s) moved across the street from us. The house had been occupied prior by a lovely, elderly black man that used to make me beef jerky (We miss Hank) - and the family that now occupies it would be described in the most politically correct way possible as "economically anxious" and "forgotten America" or as my wife so lovingly puts it - "the trashiest of trash in America." 

 

They often sit on their porch or in their driveway drinking beer - many of them dangerously overweight - with their shirts off and playing music loudly. They regularly get into screaming matches for 1+ hours that would have put my vocal cords in a coffin. Last night, it got bad. 

 

My wife and I were watering our shrubs and playing with our dogs when the arguments across the street escalated into something that sounded VERY dangerous, and when we heard one of the guys talking about how he was going to knock his girlfriend out, my wife called the non-emergency police line. When the police showed up, we were in our driveway - and for the sake of clarity, I have to be pushed very far to lose my temper; but my wife is a bit of a hot head - after the police were talking to people, I could tell the house was coordinated in a lie about it, with three people telling the police they were all "joking around", and then the mother of the home (who regularly rips 30-40 cigs on the porch facing our home every day) pointed at my wife who was in our driveway. Instead of ignoring her, my wife waved and said "yeah we called." 

 

So now, we have an awkward at best, threatening at worst tension with the neighbors across the street. We have four cameras, a security system, and a German shepherd (lol my mom owns a residential and commercial security business that's why we have the Fort Knox of Ohio City). Nonetheless, I am worried about how to proceed and what resources are at my disposal if we continue to have problems.

 

Has anyone else had similar problems in Cleveland? If so, do you have any advice to share on how best to deal with it? Should I just ignore it? Thanks y'all. 

 

People like that can turn a decent neighborhood into a slum within a year.  Most landlords know this.

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^Yeah and that's what we're trying to stop. A nice young couple just bought the house next to us and have spent countless hours there fixing it up in the last few weeks - my neighbors to the other side of me are CMHA rent-to-buy buy keep an immaculate yard and nice house, and my wife and I have put our heart, soul, and wallets into our home lol - our street continues to get better and younger, but if I were looking at a house and heard my neighbors, it would go on my con list. 

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@YABO713 Keep calling the police and ask your councilman for advice. Please encourage your neighbors to do so, also, so that it increases the number of nuisance records and so that it makes this situation about them and not about you. You and your neighbors create a "nuisance record" without which the authorities can do nothing. You might also contact the block club for that area and ask for their advice, as well.

 

By the way, I'm very impressed that the Cleveland police showed up in a timely manner despite it being a non-emergency.

 

BTW 2... Next time, video-record a situation if it causes you concern. You might also keep one of those security cameras pointed in their direction, as well. 

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15 minutes ago, KJP said:

@YABO713 Keep calling the police and ask your councilman for advice. Please encourage your neighbors to do so, also, so that it increases the number of nuisance records and so that it makes this situation about them and not about you. You and your neighbors create a "nuisance record" without which the authorities can do nothing. You might also contact the block club for that area and ask for their advice, as well.

 

By the way, I'm very impressed that the Cleveland police showed up in a timely manner despite it being a non-emergency.

 

BTW 2... Next time, video-record a situation if it causes you concern. You might also keep one of those security cameras pointed in their direction, as well. 

 

Yeah we have two video cameras that face that direction - so I should be good in that regard. Also, members here have kindly pointed me in the direction of the landlord, and I've sent him a LinkedIn request

 

I'm not sure if its a coincidence or not, but yesterday they cleaned out trash from their bushes and were not on their porch for the first time in over a month. Not sure if their landlord found out somehow, but they seemed to be on their best behavior. 

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Holy crap!!


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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