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3 hours ago, Florida Guy said:

I drive past it every day and often think the same thing, or at least somewhere downtown. It is part of the casino (Seminoles deep pockets). Although it could have the hotel component only with the support of the Rock Hall.


Yes, back when I lived down here, you only needed to be 18 to get in—and it was no where near as glitzy! 🤣

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4 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

Unfair and incorrect? This is what Euclid Beach did and should look like. 

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I’m saying Lake Erie bluffs need to be reinforced so the houses DON’T fall into the Lake...

 

Edit: @surfohio pointed out I’m an idiot. 😂

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1 minute ago, Clevecane said:


I’m saying Lake Erie bluffs need to be reinforced so the houses fall into the Lake...

Haha. Freudian slip. 

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8 hours ago, Florida Guy said:

I drive past it every day and often think the same thing, or at least somewhere downtown. It is part of the casino (Seminoles deep pockets). Although it could have the hotel component only with the support of the Rock Hall.

Branding

Licensing

Marketing

 

most likely $$$$

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10 hours ago, Clevecane said:

Flying into FLL, can’t help but wonder, why is this in Hollywood, Florida, not Cleveland’s lakefront? 

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I thought you were joking. Do you know how much parking that place has? You can see it in the picture. People thought the chandelier was a joke? Not that any of this is on topic, although I do miss the guitar on Huron...that's close to the lakefront right?

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On 10/18/2019 at 6:59 PM, Clevecane said:


I’m saying Lake Erie bluffs need to be reinforced so the houses DON’T fall into the Lake...

 

Edit: @surfohio pointed out I’m an idiot. 😂

 

Most of the houses between Easterly and Euclid Beach are set back a ways.

 

It looks like the proposed path is going to stick to Lakeshore Boulevard, bypassing us to the south.

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On ‎10‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 2:38 PM, Clevecane said:

Flying into FLL, can’t help but wonder, why is this in Hollywood, Florida, not Cleveland’s lakefront? 

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I do think it would be cool to have something like this(obviously with a better design. But something unique and iconic to go with the Hall) by the Rock Hall.  If they did, they could add the neck of the guitar in as a "sky needle" type observation tower.

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Some cool Lake Erie usage with possible future connections to the rest of the region:

 

Bradstreet’s Landing in Rocky River to break ground in spring 2020

Today 5:30 AM

By Laura Johnston, cleveland.com

 

ROCKY RIVER, Ohio -- Rocky River plans to break ground next spring on a $3.4 million revamp of Bradstreet’s Landing, a Lake Erie park whose pier has been closed since November 2017.

 

Rocky River received $350,000 from the state and $1.1 million from Cuyahoga County in casino proceeds for the project.

 

Bobst sees the work as complementary to the county’s plan for a lakefront trail and the Cleveland Metroparks’ development of a water trail.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/10/bradstreets-landing-in-rocky-river-to-break-ground-in-spring-2020.html

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Downtown Cleveland’s first playground to have steamship theme, open in November

Link: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/10/downtown-clevelands-first-playground-to-have-steamship-theme-open-next-month.html

 

"Downtown Cleveland’s first playground is inspired by the steamship William G. Mather and could be complete by mid-November."

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1 hour ago, urbanetics_ said:

How Gordon Park could become Cleveland's 'Edgewater East'

 

 “That could become the Battery Park of the East Side and serve as a huge economic driver for those surrounding neighborhoods, particularly St. Clair-Superior and Glenville.”

https://www.freshwatercleveland.com/features/gordonpark102319.aspx

So Gardin believes this can be fast-tracked? Interesting. Also the beach creation idea is most intriguing. I'd very much like to see some feasibility studies. That's deep water over there.

 

http://fishing-app.gpsnauticalcharts.com/i-boating-fishing-web-app/fishing-marine-charts-navigation.html?title=LAKE+ERIE+boating+app#15.66/41.5393/-81.6417

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43 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Some more Cumberland front window peeks 👀 

 

Interesting. The big parking lot along the north side of Erieside Avenue is gone.

 

I'm told that, at a recent meeting of downtown Cleveland stakeholder groups, when Richard Pace showed the site plan with all of the surface parking along Erieside, it apparently garnered an audible gasp from the audience. The gasp was probably in response to the parking lots because that was the first thing that people in the audience asked him about. He said the parking was provided at the request of the city which has its agreement with the Cleveland Browns that stipulates that X number of parking spaces be provided near the stadium.

 

But that site plan posted my @marty15 and other recent information suggests that the lakefront plans are VERY dynamic right now.

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2 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Interesting. The big parking lot along the north side of Erieside Avenue is gone.

 

I'm told that, at a recent meeting of downtown Cleveland stakeholder groups, when Richard Pace showed the site plan with all of the surface parking along Erieside, it apparently garnered an audible gasp from the audience. The gasp was probably in response to the parking lots because that was the first thing that people in the audience asked him about. He said the parking was provided at the request of the city which has its agreement with the Cleveland Browns that stipulates that X number of parking spaces be provided near the stadium.

 

But that site plan posted my @marty15 and other recent information suggests that the lakefront plans are VERY dynamic right now.

 

For reference, here's what it used to be...    ...it looks like the only thing that changed was adding back in buildings to the surface lots. So what does FirstEnergy do for parking now?

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Also, one can see the land bridge and possible multi-modal design in @marty15 zoomed-in image if you look very closely 😶

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Yes I was going to say it looks like this is the more affordable scaled-down version of the land bridge. This is not the green ribbon version of it though so I'm wondering if this is driven by Pace or the city, should be interesting. 

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4 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

 

 So what does FirstEnergy do for parking now? 

Doesn't look like there was that much parking in the first place.  Probably was to be reserved for VIPs and big spenders.  That said, I think it is crazy to park anywhere around the stadium on game day unless you intend to arrive 2 hours before the game and stay an hour or more afterwards.  The crowds leaving have no mercy for moving vehicles.  The closest I ever park to the Stadium is somewhere between east 12th and east 18th

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I would also like to see the Mather moved to the east side of 9th street pier. That would open up space for a marina for the development along that cove.

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4 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

I don't know about you, but I am seeing 2 land bridges.

 

That second one looks like that second land bridge is a widening of East 9th with greenery. Nice! That current bridge for East 9th over Route 2 can get CRAZY during big lakefront events, seeing as its the only good way to currently get there...

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6 minutes ago, WhatUp said:

I don't know about you, but I am seeing 2 land bridges.

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And something in between them? Is that an additional parking structure with a green roof between the tracks and Shoreway? Is that how the removal of the surface lots was compensated?

 

Unfortunately, the shadow is cast to the south of whatever that structure is -- an impossibility since the sun is to the south.

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4 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

 

That second one looks like that second land bridge is a widening of East 9th with greenery. Nice! That current bridge for East 9th over Route 2 can get CRAZY during big lakefront events, seeing as its the only good way to currently get there...

That would be a MUCH improved and scenic pedestrian experience. Currently the walk along E9th between downtown proper and Northcoast Harbor is very pedestrian unfriendly and ugly / nothing but concrete.

 

Hopefully some measure of narrowing the E9th Willard garage entry/exit could be involved, or at least making the pedestrian crossing more visible and distinct. There are many walkers / joggers along the street and also many cars that fly in and out of that access. I've seen a fair share of near misses there because of drivers not paying attention or not seeing pedestrians trying to cross.

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6 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Doesn't look like there was that much parking in the first place.  Probably was to be reserved for VIPs and big spenders.  That said, I think it is crazy to park anywhere around the stadium on game day unless you intend to arrive 2 hours before the game and stay an hour or more afterwards.  The crowds leaving have no mercy for moving vehicles.  The closest I ever park to the Stadium is somewhere between east 12th and east 18th

for people in suites, league officials and NFL personnel.  

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Is there a better neighborhood thread for this post?  E.55th:

 

Cleveland City Council clears way for lakefront apartment project with vote to vacate street

Posted Oct 28, 2019

By Robert Higgs, cleveland.com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – City Council on Monday approved vacating part of East 55th Street to help clear the way for an apartment complex along Cleveland’s lakefront to expand.

 

Landmark Companies, the owners of The Shoreline apartments on North Marginal Road, wants to add a second apartment building adjacent to its current building, formerly known as Quay 55. The new building would add about 200 residences to the waterfront site.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2019/10/cleveland-city-council-clears-way-for-lakefront-apartment-project-with-vote-to-vacate-street.html

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Yes @MuRrAy HiLL, this is where this project has been discussed....

 

 


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‘A once-in-a-generation opportunity:’ Could Whiskey Island truck traffic plan fix an environmental injustice for Lakeview Terrace residents?

 Rachel Dissell - Nov. 12, 2019

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/11/a-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-lakeview-terrace-residents-and-supporters-hope-truck-traffic-plan-will-fix-an-environmental-injustice.html

 

"Cleveland officials are exploring plans to rebuild or replace the aging and unreliable Willow Avenue lift bridge, which spans the Cuyahoga river channel from the Flats to the southeast end of Whiskey Island.  ... Alternative 33 would undoubtedly be the most expensive because it would require creating a new connection to Whiskey Island via West 45th Street. That plan currently calls for demolishing or abandoning the Willow Avenue lift bridge, which would be unpopular with Ontario Stone Corp. and create what some see as untenable options for recreational trail users. Some have floated the idea of a two-bridge option, one that creates a new connection, in addition to rehabbing, replacing or redesigning how the Willow Avenue bridge operates. It’s not clear whether the city would consider that."

 

(there may be a better thread for this, but it relates to the Whiskey Island connector bridge mentioned upthread)

 

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I don't think a W 45th / Old River bridge seems likely, but is an interesting proposition. Reducing trucks through Lakeview Terrace, the W 25th/Shoreway interchange and Ohio City by ~80% would really help the neighborhoods, but a more circuitous route to Whiskey Island/Wendy Park and the lake for bikes and pedestrians would hurt a lot of the potential of the Lake Link trail (and all of the ones which connect to it). Preserving the Willow bridge and adding a new one at and W 45th is even more unlikely, but it would be great to have the benefits of both. For now I'll add it to my long list of theoretical infrastructure projects (Sim City list) for the region. 

 

If a new lift bridge is built at W 45th (assuming it would be a lift to preserve access to to the marinas, Cargill and Great lakes Shipyard) it would be the cities first "new" movable bridge since 1957(excluding the Columbus Ave bridge renovation/replacement). 

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Outlet+Shoppes+at+Cleveland-Loopnet1.jpg

 

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2019

The Outlet Shoppes of Cleveland is back in stock again

 

With the goal of opening its doors to customers in the spring of 2022, the Outlet Shoppes of Cleveland is the subject of local and national leasing activities now underway. The project, originally proposed several years ago and on the other side of the Shoreway highway, is back and is being pursued aggressively by its national developer.

According to project's backers, they say that "remarkable progress" has been made behind the scenes on developing the 320,000-square-foot retail center. It is proposed to be built on roughly 14 acres of city-owned land between the Shoreway and South Marginal Road, just south of Burke Lakefront Airport.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-outlet-shoppes-of-cleveland-is-back.html

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^ SWEET parking lot!  🤮   Seriously?   I would hope the planning commission would at the VERY least require a parking deck...but even that would be disappointing.  I pretty much thought "outlet malls" were out of fashion.  Lodi, for example, is just a big empty space with minimal stores left.  Who knows?  Maybe it will work here...

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I would be more upset except for the fact that I don't think it has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

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Looking at all the potential retailers I feel like this would destroy the ability for the heart of downtown to gain the retailers we’ve been so hoping would soon attract with the increasing population growth. Also, the parking and access to interstates makes it so people will come to the outlets, shop, then leave. 

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I'm not terribly familiar with Outlet Shoppes / Malls, but I can't think of many that are within a city, urban environment or being practically downtown. They seem to be usually a few exits outside of an urbanized area, or in a third ring / outer suburb. Tanger Outlets; Columbus, Pittsburgh, Jeffersonville, Lodi Station, Aurora Farms. 

 

I mean this site might as well be any random highway exit, its about as isolated as you can get in a central city. I guess if the outlet is going to be built in Northeastern Ohio, at least its Cleveland getting the potential revenue, but virtually zero spin off. Also the amount of city revenue may be questionable for what they will be asked to invest in infrastructure, or what Geis / anther developer may build in the future. 

 

Does anyone know of a comparable urban Outlet Mall development?

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Based upon the design and location, it would appear to be geared more for the suburbanites and tourists vs those residing in the CBD.  It could however provide the City/County with sorely-needed revenue after the initial investment.

It may work. The West Palm Beach Mall was leveled, only to be replaced with an outdoor Palm Beach Outlets that has been very successful. Its located on I-95 and Palm Beach Lakes Blvd.

 

https://www.palmbeachoutlets.com/directory/

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Although I may seldom visit it, I am intrigued by the comments that the infrastructure proposed to support this may also be designed to support additional development nearby. Like what, and where? Perhaps some housing on the rest of the Muny lots? If so, this outlet mall may not be so isolated for very long.

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