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Concrete tubes. Don't they build tunnels through river silt over bedrock?

 

The World Trade Center site is built in a bathtub-like structure on Bedrock and landfill that holds back the Hudson River.

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On 4/22/2020 at 7:29 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

Here’s another potential inspiration for our proposed land bridge from the Mall over the RR tracks and Shoreway - a D.C. park bridge over the Anacosta. 

 

https://archpaper.com/2020/04/washington-dc-11th-street-bridge-park-blessing-national-capital-planning-commission/#gallery-0-slide-2
 

“The 11th Street Bridge Park, a vaguely High Line-y elevated park that’s eternally been in the works for Washington, D.C.’s Anacostia river-severed southeastern quadrant, has passed a major milestone by receiving the green light from the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC). The good news was shared by the New York office of OMA, one of two firms—the other being Philadelphia-based landscape design studio OLIN—behind the design of the programming-packed, 1.45-mile-long recreational park will span the Anacostia River along the revitalized bones of an old 1960s-era vehicular bridge.”

 

Construction is set to kick off in 2021. 
 

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This is ABSOLUTELY STUNNING 10/10 in design. 

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On 4/14/2020 at 1:41 PM, NR said:

A few pictures I got from someone I know who is working on the North Coast harbor pedestrian bridge.  Enjoy.

 

 

 

 

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Does anyone know if this bridge will be completed in time for the NFL draft next year? 

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And the cool thing is that even those of us who live out of town can go to this meeting - it’s a Zoom meeting, free and takes only a minute to register - see you guys there! 

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3 hours ago, CleveFan said:

And the cool thing is that even those of us who live out of town can go to this meeting - it’s a Zoom meeting, free and takes only a minute to register - see you guys there! 

 

I'm not sure I could take the hours of people unmuting to talk about closing Burke to build a mass development of 40 story towers, amusement parks and hyperloop stations.  😜

 

 

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Victory Cruise lines cancels all Lake Erie cruises for 2020. It's unfortunate because Cleveland just built a C&I facility to accomodate the increase in international tourism.

 

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I'm sure the building will last until 2021 and later. 

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Time to tease a story....it's not as game-changing as moving Burke, but it's pretty close. 

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Are they actually going to follow through on converting the Shoreway to a boulevard?

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Turning the railroad tracks into a new "highline" park? I hope...my townhome is like 50 feet away.

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16 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

Move the port!!

 

14 minutes ago, X said:

Are they actually going to follow through on converting the Shoreway to a boulevard?

 

4 minutes ago, CbusTransit said:

Or moving 90 away from the lake at MLK?

 

I'll take one of each please.

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49 minutes ago, KJP said:

Time to tease a story....it's not as game-changing as moving Burke, but it's pretty close. 

😳 I get excited when I see the “BOOM” teases.  This tease is next level!

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I was hoping to have the article done tonight but we took a long walk to and from dinner. I'll be able to finish it tomorrow. 

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Probably an announcement on someone taking over for the Failed

Cumberland/Pace Lakefront development.

 

If it is that announcement i hope it is somebody with deep pockets.

 

Maybe the Browns are in on it.

 

Maybe a landbridge.

 

How about the transportation hub?

 

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Omg. The Rockometer is finally happening!!!!

 

😋

 

I have a love hate relationship with these teases. Especially when they don’t come instantly. 

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Out of all of the possibilities, I think the land bridge over the highway and tracks would be the most transformational and lead to incredible amounts of spin-off development.

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16 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said:

Out of all of the possibilities, I think the land bridge over the highway and tracks would be the most transformational and lead to incredible amounts of spin-off development.

 

It's also the most likely given the previous articles about how the Browns and local leaders showing interest in something more than the Rosales bridge.

 

3 hours ago, Mendo said:

I'll take one of each please.

 

Can we add the removal of the Main Ave bridge and associated ramps to the list while we're dreaming?

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

I was hoping to have the article done tonight but we took a long walk to and from dinner. I'll be able to finish it tomorrow. 

Long walks are bad for production...LOL

 

BUT I do hope you both had a nice dinner! 

 

We should all be supporting our local restaurants!

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

Time to tease a story....it's not as game-changing as moving Burke, but it's pretty close. 

Is there a hidden clue with "game-changing"? Maybe the Browns Stadium is moving its location

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Rumor has it, bridge to Canada with parallel ski lift/gondola. Watch out Morpeth! Tons of Clevelanders headed your way.

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12 hours ago, CbusTransit said:

Or moving 90 away from the lake at MLK?

 

You'd have to move 90 to the south to turn the Shoreway (aka SR2) into a boulevard.

I don't see how you do that without plowing through neighborhoods in a manner an order of magnitude stronger than the worst accusations against the OC.

Albert Porter's ghost would turn so green with envy Bill Murray would be able to vacuum him.


 

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@E Rocc The proposal is to reroute 90 through the old power plant location and along the southern edge of Gordon Park rather than the current path right through the middle of it. It is a fantastic plan and destroys no houses, let alone  neighborhoods.  It creates a proper “Edgewater East”.  The only negative is that it would be spectacularly expensive. Of course, that’s a big negative. 
 

https://www.greenribbonlakefront.org/projects/gordonpark/

 

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29 minutes ago, skiwest said:

That certainly would be nice, but I'd rather see Dead Man's Curve fixed first.

 

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32 minutes ago, skiwest said:

That certainly would be nice, but I'd rather see Dead Man's Curve fixed first.

 

In most other parts of the world, there is money to do these kinds of things.   I have been through countless "mega tunnels" in Europe, Australia, Japan that go for miles under a city.   This would be an obvious fix for the lakefront shoreway, deadmans curve and innerbelt.  

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Does someone need to do a wellness check on @KJP? Lol hopefully the hold on the article is because there's too many projects to even try and stay organized...

 

Jk, @KJP take your time, thanks for being the news breaker of NEO development

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38 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

In most other parts of the world, there is money to do these kinds of things.   I have been through countless "mega tunnels" in Europe, Australia, Japan that go for miles under a city.   This would be an obvious fix for the lakefront shoreway, deadmans curve and innerbelt.  

 

There’s money here, but it’s spent in sequence.   More to maintain steady employment for the construction workers than any other reason.   That way if there’s a disaster we have experienced people ready to rebuild.

 

Right now the OC and 480/271 division are the main projects.   When those come to a close they will look for something else.

The irony of Deadman’s Curve (remember the laughable effort to start calling it the Be Safe Curve?) is people respect it and there hasn’t been a problem in a long time.  (Yes, I knocked wood when I said that.)  Therefore it’s not that much of a priority.

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@Boomerang_Brian @E Rocc Unfortunately realigning 90 like shown above is not being considered right now. That’s not saying it can’t be, but it would take pressure from stakeholders (City of Cleveland, NOACA) for it to happen.

 

You can find the current plan for innerbelt rehabiliation at innerbelt.org.

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It is true that there is only capacity for one or two projects at a time and sometimes it takes a good while for projects to get to the front of the queue. I do think this one is on the radar, hopefully it can happen someday.

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52 minutes ago, GISguy said:

Does someone need to do a wellness check on @KJP? Lol hopefully the hold on the article is because there's too many projects to even try and stay organized...

 

Jk, @KJP take your time, thanks for being the news breaker of NEO development

 

I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built....

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I don't know how much longer they expect the Main Avenue bridge to last, but it will need to be replaced in the near future, hopefully before something bad happens.

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22 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

It must be well past it’s lifespan, no? These types of aging bridges scare me. 

 

I'm sure dumping nine million tons of salt on it every winter doesn't help lol.

 

*Hey KJP when you're bored please initiate a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis for the continued use of road salt vs. alternatives. 

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built....

Is this a hint? That would seem to point to what @E Rocc was talking about with rerouting the shoreway...

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It would be incredible see that bridge demolished and have all that land in the Flats West Bank and Warehouse District opened up for development. 

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I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure. Cool history too being a WPA project.

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Just now, mu2010 said:

I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure.

 

It makes for a cool gateway into the city from the west (especially if you're a passenger on one of the 55's early morning!), and is a cool looking bridge BUT if it were to go away my only regret would be not riding my bike across it haha

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20 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

It makes for a cool gateway into the city from the west (especially if you're a passenger on one of the 55's early morning!), and is a cool looking bridge BUT if it were to go away my only regret would be not riding my bike across it haha

 

I have ridden across it - on my road bike one year during the Cleveland Marathon....during a blizzard. It was absolutely terrifying! 

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20 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

I think I'm far from the majority here, but I like that bridge more than the Detroit or Lorain bridges. I like the blue color, and, something elegant about the structure. Cool history too being a WPA project.

I love this bridge as well. My concern is the entry and exit ramps, particularly on the west 25th/28th side. They are just not safe. There have been wrong way drivers and huge accidents at the eastbound merge. These need to be reworked to meet current safety requirements.

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Speaking of the power plant site I did this couple of years ago thinking about alternate stadium sites. With an upgraded Shoreway with bike paths, run the WFL to it. The western side would have a large window for views of the city. It would look bad ass from the blimp, make a great impression.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I'm working on it. Slowly. Took me 20 minutes just to figure out when CPP's lakefront power station was built....

 

Hmmmm, would that have to do with the presence of asbestos or other hazardous materials on site?

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16 minutes ago, freethink said:

Speaking of the power plant site I did this couple of years ago thinking about alternate stadium sites. With an upgraded Shoreway with bike paths, run the WFL to it. The western side would have a large window for views of the city. It would look bad ass from the blimp, make a great impression.

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I don't know if anyone ever read The Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread  (if you haven't you should, especially if you grew up in the Cleveland area).   Horizon Science Academy is the approximate site of Stanley Chaloupka's house, based on current numbering of E. 63rd street addresses.

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