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Litt on more than one occasion has downplayed extending Mall C over the tracks because it'd block light to the convention center. I can't be the only one that thinks that's a dumb reason to be against the idea.

 

I understand the desire to have natural light but It's nothing some light wells and bulbs wouldn't cure. Plus I'd think a direct connection to the CC would be way more important to potential meetings than a view of the lake that most people wouldn't see anyway.

 

The guy comes off as out of touch with the real issues. If you want something iconic than it needs to be useful first and foremost.

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Litt on more than one occasion has downplayed extending Mall C over the tracks because it'd block light to the convention center. I can't be the only one that thinks that's a dumb reason to be against the idea.

 

It's exceedingly dumb.

 

Anyhow if you look at KJP's rendering it appears the CC can still have natural light and some good views if the sides of the extended mall have windows.

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I am interested to hear of any updates from Cumberland regarding their plans for the lakefront. It seems everything has come to a halt.

 

I'm still waiting on Mike Holmgren to elaborate on all the exciting changes that are taking place!

 

Just kidding. It is frustrating to have so much talk over the years go absolutely nowhere.

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Litt on more than one occasion has downplayed extending Mall C over the tracks because it'd block light to the convention center. I can't be the only one that thinks that's a dumb reason to be against the idea.

 

It's exceedingly dumb.

 

Anyhow if you look at KJP's rendering it appears the CC can still have natural light and some good views if the sides of the extended mall have windows.

Exactly.  They can move the window North as they expand.  That "excuse" is BS.  Heck they could probably add window east and west if they expanded north.

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I am interested to hear of any updates from Cumberland regarding their plans for the lakefront. It seems everything has come to a halt.

 

Hmm...in an article today Steve Litt  described Pace's development on the lakefront by the stadium as a "feasibility analysis".  I thought it was a lot more than that at this point.  We have been  doing these analysis for 30 years.

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Hmm...in an article today Steve Litt  described Pace's development on the lakefront by the stadium as a "feasibility analysis".  I thought it was a lot more than that at this point.  We have been  doing these analysis for 30 years.

 

Yep. Wake me when Pace submits a building permit application to the city.


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Hmm...in an article today Steve Litt  described Pace's development on the lakefront by the stadium as a "feasibility analysis".  I thought it was a lot more than that at this point.  We have been  doing these analysis for 30 years.

 

Yep. Wake me when Pace submits a building permit application to the city.

 

"Feasibility Study" is political code for "how much taxpayer money can be anted up..."

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Hmm...in an article today Steve Litt  described Pace's development on the lakefront by the stadium as a "feasibility analysis".  I thought it was a lot more than that at this point.  We have been  doing these analysis for 30 years.

 

 

 

Yep. Wake me when Pace submits a building permit application to the city.

 

 

"Feasibility Study" is political code for "how much taxpayer money can be anted up..."

 

 

I wish we could have pooled all the money that has been spent on feasibility studies for lakefront development. I am sure that money could have paid for one of these concepts.

 

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Cleveland Metroparks to build new Edgewater Beach House with eatery, shop and elevated walkway

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – First, they cleaned up the beach. Now the Cleveland Metroparks has moved on to bigger projects at Edgewater Park, which the system took over from the state of Ohio in 2013.

 

The Metroparks has just announced plans to construct a 12,000 square foot two-story Beach House that will include a fast-casual eatery, a sundries shop and significantly, an elevated walkway from West 76th Street to Edgewater.

 

More:

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/06/they_have_just_announced_plans_to_construct_a_12000_square_foot_two-story_beach_house_that_will_include_a_fast-casual_eatery_a_sundries_shop_and_significantly_an_elevated_walkway_from_west_76th_street_to_edgewatercleveland_metroparks_to_build.html#incart_gallery

 

Woohoo! I never expected an elevated walkway with direct connection to the pedestrian tunnel. I'm not a huge fan of the design, but still, this will be cool.

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Cleveland lakefront construction, long a dream, could start in September (photos)

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer

on June 03, 2015 at 9:15 AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland's long-discussed dream of lakefront development will become much more solid this month, as developers take a big step toward controlling the land and seek early design approvals for a restaurant near Voinovich Park and their first apartments and offices north of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.

 

After more than a year of negotiations, Cumberland Development and Trammell Crow Co. expect to meet a June 15 deadline to exercise their option to lease 28 acres of city-owned land along Lake Erie. That move will start the clock ticking on the companies' ambitious plan to create a neighborhood on underused properties at tip of East Ninth Street and the northern rim of First Energy Stadium.

 

Documents submitted to the Cleveland City Planning Commission indicate that Cleveland-based Cumberland and Trammell Crow, of Dallas, aim to break ground within months for their first two buildings.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_lakefront_constructi.html

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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^ Awesome! I was hearing tiny rumblings about the Cumberland lakefront development, but was assuming they were just rumors. I appreciate how realistic Phase I is. I actually feel pretty confident that it will get done. Also, it appears that they slightly adjusted the site plan for the future phases - I think it's an improvement.

 

Really, the only negative I can think of is the pedestrian bridge from the Mall to the RRHOF (which I know isn't really Pace's fault). We really need a multi-modal transit station, with a pedestrian walkway over top of it. Anything less than that is simply a rushed compromise.

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"Yep. Wake me when Pace submits a building permit application to the city."

 

Time to wake up!! (Almost) :)

 

I like this... If it really goes as planned this would totally transform the area in an amazing way. Very positive...

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Edit: Just a random thought I had looking at the new plans that I haven't really seen addressed before:

 

I would love to see the USS Cod better integrated into a lakefront plan. It would be much better if it were docked off of the 9th Street Pier as its current location is a bit out of the way. I also don't like how it's completely gated off with a barbed wire fence. I would love to see an arrangement more like the USS Torsk in Baltimore's Inner Harbor.

 

 

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Does anyone know if the city still plans on utilizing 9th as a 'Festival' pier? That was in the lakefront plan not too long ago.

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"The downtown lakefront was created using fill dirt from dredging. The state asserts that it owns the land beneath that dirt – land that used to form the bottom of Lake Erie. So Cleveland had to lease that underlying land from the state before striking surface-level lease deals with any developer."

 

So basically the state owns the Lake Erie dirt? :-o :-o :wtf: :wtf:

 

Uhhhh great investment?

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^The location of the new restaurant, just east of Voinovich Park, is perfect, allowing the well-planned (and much appreciated) V. Park to remain intact. 

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Does anyone know if the city still plans on utilizing 9th as a 'Festival' pier? That was in the lakefront plan not too long ago.

 

I dont think that is the current plan.  Right now, the city is working with  Cumberland Development and Trammell Crow Co. to develop a comprehensive plan. This restaurant is the first step

 

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Will there be any for sale units in the residential? Based on the images above I am fearing that it will be buildings like the Flats on Vine in Columbus. That would still be a vast improvement but I'd be disappointed. I liked the idea from a while back of diagonal narrow residential streets. (Yes I know this is probably a very premature conversation)

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Will there be any for sale units in the residential? Based on the images above I am fearing that it will be buildings like the Flats on Vine in Columbus. That would still be a vast improvement but I'd be disappointed. I liked the idea from a while back of diagonal narrow residential streets. (Yes I know this is probably a very premature conversation)

 

There won't be for-sale housing in the lakefront project. Dick Pace says that, logistically, he can't sell units down there because he won't own the land. The project calls for a 50-year land-lease deal with the city, with a nearly 50-year extension period. That makes selling homes - and working with buyers to find financing - down there extremely difficult, if not impossible.

 

Michelle

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Edit: Just a random thought I had looking at the new plans that I haven't really seen addressed before:

 

I would love to see the USS Cod better integrated into a lakefront plan. It would be much better if it were docked off of the 9th Street Pier as its current location is a bit out of the way. I also don't like how it's completely gated off with a barbed wire fence. I would love to see an arrangement more like the USS Torsk in Baltimore's Inner Harbor.

 

Great idea

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I have not lived in Cleveland for awhile, but was that not the original location that people complained about...????

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I have not lived in Cleveland for awhile, but was that not the original location that people complained about...????

 

I believe you are correct.  Frankly, I disagree with bringing the Cod back over to that site.  Make it more accessible (ie remove the fence), but keep it where it is.  Having the Wm G. Mather there is enough, and even it -- given it's huge size-- may prove awkward where it is and new residents and commercial tenants may want it towed away as well.  This is a prime residential, office and retail location with (hopefully) sleek, modern buildings and pristine Lake Erie vistas.  We don't want to clutter it up with old ships and a sub despite their obviously kid-friendly/tourist-friendly orientation.

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I haven't lived in Cleveland for very long... so, what were the complaints about the former location of the USS Cod? I was thinking that moving it seemed like a great idea. It seems so isolated in its current location.

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I have not lived in Cleveland for awhile, but was that not the original location that people complained about...????

 

I believe you are correct.  Frankly, I disagree with bringing the Cod back over to that site.  Make it more accessible (ie remove the fence), but keep it where it is.  Having the Wm G. Mather there is enough, and even it -- given it's huge size-- may prove awkward where it is and new residents and commercial tenants may want it towed away as well.  This is a prime residential, office and retail location with (hopefully) sleek, modern buildings and pristine Lake Erie vistas.  We don't want to clutter it up with old ships and a sub despite their obviously kid-friendly/tourist-friendly orientation.

 

Moving the Cod closer to the pier would hardly interrupt any lake vistas. But regardless, I'd be fine leaving it where it is as long as the fences were torn down (or at least made more attractive looking) and making the walk down there more pedestrian friendly.

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sorry....  I was thinking about the Mather....  and as mentioned, the eastern lake view was blocked....  may not have that problem with the Cod....

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Cleveland lakefront projects win early design approvals

 

By Michelle Jarboe McFee, The Plain Dealer 

on June 05, 2015 at 2:20 PM, updated June 05, 2015 at 2:34 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – A pair of public bodies signed off this week on early designs for the first two pieces of an ambitious project on the downtown lakefront.

 

On Friday, the Cleveland City Planning Commission gave a unanimous thumbs-up to plans for a restaurant, public restrooms and volleyball courts near Voinovich Park, on the East Ninth Street Pier. The commission also granted its first-round approval to a three-story building that would blend retail, offices and apartments on land just north of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_lakefront_projects_w.html

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Cool. I've got first dibs on opening The New Captain Frank's!


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This is excellent news. I like the design for the building. It goes well with the lakefront and will (if I understand the position correctly) help to fill the gap between the Rock Hall and Voinovich Park. I've heard people mention Baltimore's Inner Harbor. If we could create something like that in Cleveland I would be thrilled.

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This is excellent news. I like the design for the building. It goes well with the lakefront and will (if I understand the position correctly) help to fill the gap between the Rock Hall and Voinovich Park. I've heard people mention Baltimore's Inner Harbor. If we could create something like that in Cleveland I would be thrilled.

 

On one hand, I'd love to see something like the Inner Harbor, but on the other hand, I'm glad that the developers are going after local tenants and thus it won't be anything like the Inner Harbor (which is filled with Ripley's Believe it or Not, Hard Rock, Bubba Gump Shrimp, P.F. Changs, Hooters, Pizzareia Uno, just to name a select few...)

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Welcome, Cameron!


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This is excellent news. I like the design for the building. It goes well with the lakefront and will (if I understand the position correctly) help to fill the gap between the Rock Hall and Voinovich Park. I've heard people mention Baltimore's Inner Harbor. If we could create something like that in Cleveland I would be thrilled.

 

On one hand, I'd love to see something like the Inner Harbor, but on the other hand, I'm glad that the developers are going after local tenants and thus it won't be anything like the Inner Harbor (which is filled with Ripley's Believe it or Not, Hard Rock, Bubba Gump Shrimp, P.F. Changs, Hooters, Pizzareia Uno, just to name a select few...)

 

I second this, we visited Baltimore a few years ago and while the inner harbor is nicely developed it is quite filled with these chains. 

 

This is a much needed step in the right direction and provides some interaction with the marina that is right there.  That alone could become a draw from some of the area marina's (E55th, Edgewater, etc.) where there isn't much that you can take your boat too.  That is really one of the reasons we don't keep our closer.

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Local is great... But some of the chains noted would be much more likely to draw a crowd/be a destination, especially among visitors. Perhaps a mix of tenants would suit all parties.

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Honestly, I think the lakefront would be a great place for a local expanding, well-regarded brewery. Yes, I'm talking about Fat Heads :) Apparently they were going to put a brew pub on W. 25, but they backed out. I think the lakefront would be a perfect fit for that kind of place.

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I really like the concept drawings of these 2 buildings: classy and open (lots of glass), but with an architectural nod to their nautical surroundings.

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Some good info.

 

Developer's 'dream' venture could be big for lakefront

 

Thirty years ago, a young architect named Richard Pace was a staffer on an early planning study for developing downtown Cleveland's lakefront at the north end of East Ninth Street. There was no Rock Hall, no Great Lakes Science Center and no pond-like inner harbor there.

As of June 16, the same architect (now turned real estate developer) in a joint venture with Dallas real estate development firm Trammell Crow Co. executed an option with the city of Cleveland to go beyond the plans for the same strip of Lake Erie coastline and to build on it retail, office and apartment structures.

“This is fulfilling a dream,” Pace said last Wednesday, June 24, as he discussed business terms for one of the most long-awaited real estate developments in the city's history. “We're farther along than anyone else has gotten in the last 50 years.”

In broad outline, the city's terms allow the developers to pay up as they put up projects. City spokesman Daniel Ball confirmed the developers put no money down as they executed the option this month. Instead, the developers will be subject to payments as they lease each of six phases surrounding the city's North Coast Harbor. The biggest cost they stand to have to pay is a minimum of $22.4 million over 50 years to replace parking revenue the city receives from the properties on the west side of the harbor north of FirstEnergy Stadium.

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150628/NEWS/306289986/developers-dream-venture-could-be-big-for-lakefront

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However, “It's also a high-upside project,” Simons said.

 

“The developers get a chance to tie down a premium location for a long time without putting their capital at risk,” he said. “The lakefront location would be superior in many ways to others in the city with a lake view and cachet. What it does not have is a lot of restaurants and, as we all know, it's freaking cold in the winter there.”

 

It's freaking cold in much of the U.S. coastal areas....yet Cleveland is somehow different. 

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However, “It's also a high-upside project,” Simons said.

 

“The developers get a chance to tie down a premium location for a long time without putting their capital at risk,” he said. “The lakefront location would be superior in many ways to others in the city with a lake view and cachet. What it does not have is a lot of restaurants and, as we all know, it's freaking cold in the winter there.”

 

It's freaking cold in much of the U.S. coastal areas....yet Cleveland is somehow different. 

 

I don't think that's what they're saying. I can stand at East 6th and Euclid for 5 minutes on a breezy, 20-degree January day and I'll be fine, suffering perhaps only a runny nose. But if I stand at the lake edge for 5 minutes on that same day in January, the body-slamming wind-chill there is so brutal it is exhausting. It feels like it's sucking the life of out you. When I've done it and gone back indoors, it's taken me at least 20 minutes to recover.

 

Chicago can call itself the Windy City, but the data shows that the north end of East 9th Street is even windier. Those railings along the sidewalk in front of the Federal Building aren't decorative. They're for pedestrians to hold on to.

 

Any development on the lakefront is going to have to take these weather conditions under consideration, and it sounds like they are.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Indeed.  A recent article about the old Huntington building noted that there's a blimp dock on the roof, but downtown Cleveland is so windy that it could never be used.  Outside the dead of winter, I like that windiness.  It adds to the sense of place.  But in January, north of all the big buildings?  Yikes.

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You mean this:

 

Cuyahoga County schedules meeting with contractors to encourage bids on lakefront bridge

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/07/cuyahoga_county_to_meet_with_c.html#incart_river


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Pretty much just a puff piece from WKYC as we knew about the possible Sept start when the project was announced. The only thing we learned is the name of a possible tenant. Pace said he wanted local retailers. But I can't find anything about City Cycle. It will be interesting to hear who the restauranteur might be.

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That piece makes it sound like they are building on top of Voinivich Park.... Haha well if anything sounds like we should be getting some updates in the next couple weeks. I like the speed at which Pace wants to start this.

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2017 deadline helps Cuyahoga County attract more contractors to compete on lakefront bridge contract

 

By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer

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on July 14, 2015 at 11:10 AM, updated July 14, 2015 at 12:54 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio –Cuyahoga County's second attempt to seek bids on a lakefront pedestrian bridge is attracting more interest from potential contractors, thanks to a deadline extension from 2016 to 2017.

 

Representatives of more than a dozen engineering and construction companies showed up Monday for a briefing on how to bid on the contract to build an iconic lakefront pedestrian bridge from the Mall to North Coast Harbor that could cost $25 million or more.

 

The response was far stronger than the original attempt by Cuyahoga County's Department of Public Works to elicit interest in the project last year, when it announced it wanted to finish the project in time for the Republican National Convention in 2016.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/07/2017_deadline_helps_cuyahoga_c.html

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Obviously there is already a pedestrian bridge that crosses over the railroad tracks that takes you from the Malls to the Browns Stadium area.  Does anyone use those bridges outside of Browns games?  That is access to "The Lakefront", and achieves the functional part of this project.  Maybe we should employ some better directional signage to those first, so people know how to get to them, see how much they get used, and go from there.  This just seems to much like a 1990's public works project that doesn't have well thought, good intentions. 

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