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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

 

I'm one of the two. I converted to Judaism about 8 years ago.

 

I'm only 22. The farthest back I can remember is reruns of Family Ties. That was set in Columbus, OH btw.

 

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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

 

I'm only 22. The farthest back I can remember is reruns of Family Ties. That was set in Columbus, OH btw.

 

 

You remind me of my assistant (she's 24). Both of you remind me that there's a huge difference in the pop culture we use as reference points. I once made a comment about Wall Street (the movie), and her response was "What's that?" question.gif

 

So, with that in mind, and in the interest of getting us back on topic....Good God, I'm getting old!

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You remind me of my assistant (she's 24). Both of you remind me that there's a huge difference in the pop culture we use as reference points. I once made a comment about Wall Street (the movie), and her response was "What's that?" question.gif

 

Uh lets just get one thing straight...Wall Street is one of the best movies ever (I'm 23).  I quote that film and others from the 80's religiously.  Now anything beyond that gets a bit rough.

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Forgot about this thread.  I answered "other" but never specified.  Still can't.  I have my own religion, which has elements of everything.  There isn't a lot of difference at the core of most faiths, and getting specific about it sows discord. 

 

^^^ Like all this GodHatesWhatever business.  If God bothered to tell you this, God is probably kidding around and thinks you are gay.  Maybe you should give it a try.  That, or you weren't talking to who you thought you were.  People occasionally get some wrong numbers and prank calls.  That's the best way I can explain it.   

 

Anyway, discord isn't the point of any of any religion, so there's no sense in pushing a certain view.  Personal connection with the divine is the point.  I find that worldly artifice gets in the way of it.  Other people also get in the way, usually.  Not always.

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Filing 'atheist' under a 'belief system' is suspect to me. I don't even like the word 'atheist' because it suggests that I am without a belief in a god. Quite the contrary, I feel that nothing is missing in my belief of dirt, rocks, sun, fusion energy and rainbows. Who needs some angry bearded voice in your brain telling you to hate your body and kill others when you can enjoy symphonies, licorice, speedboats and internet porn on a cloudless spring day?

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I was raised Jewish, and had a Bar-Mitzvah, but I'm not really buying the whole religion thing anymore. I chose Judaism in the poll, since I was raised that way, but really I don't see myself religious at all anymore. I guess you could say I am an atheist.

 

 

EDIT: After a little soul searching and looking up concrete definitions, I figured out that I am definitely an atheist.

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I am an atheist.  I come from a fairly long line for an Italian, being that my dad nor grandma believe.  My dad was raised Catholic, went to the private schools, and would get the snot beat out of him.  He also grew up with this fear that everything he did was wrong.  By the time he reached OSU, he was like full-fledged atheist and quasi-commie. 

 

My mom controlled the religion, and she took us to a UCC.  I went to church about every Sunday until 5th grade.  My only memory is that I would prepare a notecard with everything under the sun I wanted to think about so that I did not have to endure the boredom of the sermon.  By high-school, I practically questioned everything, trying to find ways to believe, until I finally accepted that I never would be a believer. 

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Jewish and sporadically agnostic.  However, I do believe in the supernatural, which seems to tie in to god in various ways, so maybe I really do believe in him, or at least some kind of higher power.

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I don't think that Atheist and Agnostic should be a combined choice.  There really is a big difference.  My mom is a UCC member and my dad is Jewish.  I am (on most days) Agnostic if only because firm convictions have brought anything but serenity and peace to this world.

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^^Atheism literally means "Absence of the observance of gods." I observe the existence of no gods, therefore, I am an Atheist.

 

Also, anytime is a good time for internet porn*, licorice, speedboats and symphonies.

 

*Except at work.

 

What I meant was that 'atheism' is not a belief, it is the absence of observance. I stay away as much as possible from relying on 'beliefs' to guide my actions, preferring ethics and whenever possible, knowledge.

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I don't think that Atheist and Agnostic should be a combined choice.  There really is a big difference.  My mom is a UCC member and my dad is Jewish.  I am (on most days) Agnostic if only because firm convictions have brought anything but serenity and peace to this world.

 

Lumping Agnostic and Atheist into one category is not the cleanest solution, but it is the most economical.

 

^^Atheism literally means "Absence of the observance of gods." I observe the existence of no gods, therefore, I am an Atheist.

 

Also, anytime is a good time for internet porn*, licorice, speedboats and symphonies.

 

*Except at work.

 

What I meant was that 'atheism' is not a belief, it is the absence of observance. I stay away as much as possible from relying on 'beliefs' to guide my actions, preferring ethics and whenever possible, knowledge.

 

A lot of people (of faith) automatically associate Atheism with Nihilism. Self-describing as an Atheist in no way should suggest the absence of believing in a greater good; Atheists acknowledge and embrace the fact that a fully articulated moral system is absolutely possible in the absence of religion and belief in a deity. In fact, I'd argue that a person willing to declare themselves an Atheist probably has more painful introspection under their belt than a rank and file adherent to a dominant religion if only for the fact that in mainstream society it's much easier to say "raised Catholic" than it is to say "arrived at Atheist."

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^Agreed.  Plus, a lot of my religious friends never question anything.  They just will throw out the "God can behave in mysterious ways" crap.  My 95 year old grandma is really struggling with the idea there is no after life.  It would be much easier to die if you thought you were going to a better place.  Instead, whenever we talk about religion, she'll point out to a leaf falling from a tree and say that when she dies, there is no difference.

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My grandpa went through something similar.  Toward the end he became pretty demanding on the local minister to convince him there was an afterlife.  I believe there is one, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about it.  People should focus more on the life they do have and the world they do operate in.

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People should focus more on the life they do have and the world they do operate in.

How very Confucian of you.

 

I don't really know what I believe, I just know that I don't have a religion. I don't know how we were created and I don't care. I feel that I should just live my life how I see fit, be true to myself, and not harm others. I like to think that there is only one sin...

 

"And that is theft. When you kill a man, you steal a life, you steal his wife’s right to a husband, rob his children of a father.  When you tell a lie, you steal someone’s right to the truth.  When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness." -Baba, from the Kite Runner

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A lot of people (of faith) automatically associate Atheism with Nihilism. Self-describing as an Atheist in no way should suggest the absence of believing in a greater good; Atheists acknowledge and embrace the fact that a fully articulated moral system is absolutely possible in the absence of religion and belief in a deity. In fact, I'd argue that a person willing to declare themselves an Atheist probably has more painful introspection under their belt than a rank and file adherent to a dominant religion if only for the fact that in mainstream society it's much easier to say "raised Catholic" than it is to say "arrived at Atheist."

 

Right on, I feel the same way. I was not raised to be particularly, or dogmatically religious, but was raised with the assumption that there was something called a God, probably just transferred or misapplied fear of strict parents and Foucaultian panopticon. It wasn't hard to imagine that when I die, I go back to dirt; I'm a Taurus, perhaps its in my blood. I very strongly object to the idea, like you mentioned, that atheists (or free thinkers) lack an ethical or moral sense. I think that is often a high hurdle for people raised in strict religious environments to understand.

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Here's my beef with religion of all kinds:

 

If you want to subscribe to a particular belief set, that's fine.  JUST DO NOT PUSH THAT CRAP ONTO ANYONE ELSE.  That means no to changing laws that affect EVERYONE because of the beliefs of a view.

 

If religion can keep it's hands off of government, the world would be a much, much better place.  This is fact.

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Today, during the State of the City address, they asked if we could bow our heads in prayer. I didn't, and kept my eyes open, and noted that about 1/4 of the crowd there had not bowed either. The girl one row ahead actually turned to look around, and noted me and smiled!

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I really feel awkward when I go to family things (like the winter solstice celebration) and we all have to form a circle and pray to god and little baby Jesus. As for public situations where I am asked to pray, I do the same thing.

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Why is this thread named "The Horribe, Horrible Religion Thread"? While religion might not be everyone's thing (it's not exactly mine, either), it is something that should be respected, IMO.  Can we change it? I feel it is unnecessarilly rude and disrespectful.

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Horrible is not meant to describe religion; it's meant to describe the thread itself, and how horrible the discussion becomes when people begin discussing religion. That's how the thread started out, at least (scroll back to pages 1&2--it was, indeed, horrible). Of late, it seems, the thread has attracted non-religious participants, and ironically, the thread has become far less horrible.

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so I was at my kid's preschool this morning for a daddy breakfast. One of the other fathers was there w/ his daughter and happened to be wearing a fleece which said over the left breast in the typical logo area 'in Christ Jesus is Lord'.

 

Now normally I wouldn't have thought twice about this except for one oddity....we both are sending our kids to a Jewish preschool.

 

I think a few minutes later he thought about it himself and took it off.

 

I don't think he had any agenda. I think he just threw on something this morning and didn't realize it said anything until he got to school.

 

Anyway I thought it was slightly humourus.

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I can't believe someone's feelings were hurt after misinterpreting the title of a thread on the internet. Jesus. H. Christ.

 

My feelings were not hurt, and I didn't misinterpret the title of the thread, thank you.  I just simply suggested that the thread be titled something a little more in tune with the discussion that was going on in the thread now.  I am not religious, and personally think that a lot of what happens in the name of religion is indeed horrible, but to some, it is important and sacred, and I think we should respect that.

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One of the things that strike me is the absolute lack of respect for non-believers.  Bowing heads for the State of the State is a good example.  Has a non-believer ever been elected to a major public office?

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You can't afford to be a non-believer politically.  You can't afford to be Muslim a whole lot either, but I think there are a few in office out there.  Not being Christian or Jewish really is a barrier.

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I understood the reasoning behind the original name of this thread, and didn't have a problem with it.  But, please don't act like the non-believers get no respect.  You guys constantly ridicule believers whether they are privately practicing their faith or publically expressing beliefs in some extreme manner.

 

How long would a thread titled "All the non-believers are going to hell" last?

 

If I am in a group that is expressing some form of faith, out of respect I play along.  Bowing heads, kneeling, whatever.  I'm secure enough to not have to make a spectacle of myself by not following along.  Doesn't hurt anyone.

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