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The steel building in the foreground was like taking an ugly building and beating it was an ugly stick. By and by, if you'd like to see that up close and personal - corner of Montgomery and Kennedy - there is a 'classy' drive through next door and an old Kroger's/Furniture Fair across the street. That was also the location of Kennedy Heights School and later Pool (great stories about Kennedy Pool from the mid-90s). Let's just say that PRidge/KHeights have cyclical tendencies to get rough and then nicer.

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Well, it looks like the old Catholic school I was expelled from is staying put. There was a big scare as they threatened to move to the newer suburbs. Anyway, they're staying in old Maumee.

 

I'm actually writing a dark comedy about the school called "St. Rick's." The school was a nightmare from hell, and is the root of many of my problems today. Thinking back, Catholic school did a lot of damage to a good number of people in my class. Ah, dear old elementary school...

 

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Not sure where to put this, but it seems like it would fit into this thread

 


Gay Bible angers Christians

 

A gay version of the Bible, in which God says it is better to be gay than straight, is to be published by an American film producer.

 

New Mexico-based Revision Studios will publish The Princess Diana Bible – so named because of Diana's "many good works", it says – online at princessdianabible.com in spring 2009. A preview of Genesis is already available, in which instead of creating Adam and Eve, God creates Aida and Eve.

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"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Aida, and she slept: and he took one of her ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from woman, made he another woman, and brought her unto the first. And Aida said, "thou seemeth tense. Perhaps thou needest a massage"

 

And, lo, did the Cherubim and Seraphim appear on high and play "bowm chicka bowm bowm"

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"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Aida, and she slept: and he took one of her ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the Lord God had taken from woman, made he another woman, and brought her unto the first. And Aida said, "thou seemeth tense. Perhaps thou needest a massage"

 

And, lo, did the Cherubim and Seraphim appear on high and play "bowm chicka bowm bowm"

Lawd

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Vatican trashes first UN declaration of LGBT human rights

By 365gay Newscenter Staff

12.02.2008 1:50pm EST

 

(Rome) International human rights groups are denouncing the Vatican for condemning a proposed United Nations declaration which would - for the first time  - call for civil rights for gays, lesbians and the transgendered.

 


Conservatives forming rival Episcopal Church

By The Associated Press

12.03.2008 1:08pm EST

 

(Wheaton, Illinois) Theological conservatives upset by the liberal views of the Episcopal Church are forming a rival denomination.

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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

 

I'm one of the two. I converted to Judaism about 8 years ago.

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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

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Juan Luis Pedro Philippo DeHuevos Epstein

 

(Robert Hegyes)

A fiercely proud Puerto Rican Jew (his father was Puerto Rican; his mother's name was Bibbermann), and one of the toughest students at Buchanan High. He normally walked with a tough-man strut, wore a red handkerchief hanging out of his right back pocket, and was voted "Most Likely To Take A Life" by his peers. In the season one episode, One Of Our Sweathogs Is Missing, Epstein was shown to be the sixth child in his family, although his mother had 10. Epstein was also known to have a "buddy" relationship with Principal Lazarus as he often referred to him by his first name, Jack. On a few occasions when Kotter would do his Groucho Marx impersonation, Epstein would jump in and impersonate Marx Brother Chico. Epstein's height and hair are common jokes associated with him.

 

Epstein's Catchphrase:

 

    * "Hey, Mr. Kotter, I got a note!"

      (The phony notes, excusing Epstein from classes and other sundry functions, were always written by Epstein himself, though he claimed they were signed by, as written, "Epstein's Mother". Epstein would lip-synch the wording of the note while Kotter would read it aloud, usually proving the note was written by Epstein himself).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Back_Kotter#Juan_Luis_Pedro_Philippo_DeHuevos_Epstein

 

Tons of great urbanity in these opening credits, by the way:

 

 

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Juan Luis Pedro Philippo DeHuevos Epstein

 

LMAO...that name would just crack my mother up back in the day.  I took me forever to get the joke.

 

I know people with 5 "middle" names.

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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

 

I'm one of the two. I converted to Judaism about 8 years ago.

 

I'm only 22. The farthest back I can remember is reruns of Family Ties. That was set in Columbus, OH btw.

 

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What's that from? You're gonna have to school us whippersnappers.

 

Please tell me you're kidding, right?

 

I'm only 22. The farthest back I can remember is reruns of Family Ties. That was set in Columbus, OH btw.

 

 

You remind me of my assistant (she's 24). Both of you remind me that there's a huge difference in the pop culture we use as reference points. I once made a comment about Wall Street (the movie), and her response was "What's that?" question.gif

 

So, with that in mind, and in the interest of getting us back on topic....Good God, I'm getting old!

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Does half count - it's my father's side and I was mostly raised Catholic.

 

You can't get any more Judeo-Christian than that.

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You remind me of my assistant (she's 24). Both of you remind me that there's a huge difference in the pop culture we use as reference points. I once made a comment about Wall Street (the movie), and her response was "What's that?" question.gif

 

Uh lets just get one thing straight...Wall Street is one of the best movies ever (I'm 23).  I quote that film and others from the 80's religiously.  Now anything beyond that gets a bit rough.

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Forgot about this thread.  I answered "other" but never specified.  Still can't.  I have my own religion, which has elements of everything.  There isn't a lot of difference at the core of most faiths, and getting specific about it sows discord. 

 

^^^ Like all this GodHatesWhatever business.  If God bothered to tell you this, God is probably kidding around and thinks you are gay.  Maybe you should give it a try.  That, or you weren't talking to who you thought you were.  People occasionally get some wrong numbers and prank calls.  That's the best way I can explain it.   

 

Anyway, discord isn't the point of any of any religion, so there's no sense in pushing a certain view.  Personal connection with the divine is the point.  I find that worldly artifice gets in the way of it.  Other people also get in the way, usually.  Not always.

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Filing 'atheist' under a 'belief system' is suspect to me. I don't even like the word 'atheist' because it suggests that I am without a belief in a god. Quite the contrary, I feel that nothing is missing in my belief of dirt, rocks, sun, fusion energy and rainbows. Who needs some angry bearded voice in your brain telling you to hate your body and kill others when you can enjoy symphonies, licorice, speedboats and internet porn on a cloudless spring day?

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I was raised Jewish, and had a Bar-Mitzvah, but I'm not really buying the whole religion thing anymore. I chose Judaism in the poll, since I was raised that way, but really I don't see myself religious at all anymore. I guess you could say I am an atheist.

 

 

EDIT: After a little soul searching and looking up concrete definitions, I figured out that I am definitely an atheist.

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I am an atheist.  I come from a fairly long line for an Italian, being that my dad nor grandma believe.  My dad was raised Catholic, went to the private schools, and would get the snot beat out of him.  He also grew up with this fear that everything he did was wrong.  By the time he reached OSU, he was like full-fledged atheist and quasi-commie. 

 

My mom controlled the religion, and she took us to a UCC.  I went to church about every Sunday until 5th grade.  My only memory is that I would prepare a notecard with everything under the sun I wanted to think about so that I did not have to endure the boredom of the sermon.  By high-school, I practically questioned everything, trying to find ways to believe, until I finally accepted that I never would be a believer. 

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Jewish and sporadically agnostic.  However, I do believe in the supernatural, which seems to tie in to god in various ways, so maybe I really do believe in him, or at least some kind of higher power.

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I don't think that Atheist and Agnostic should be a combined choice.  There really is a big difference.  My mom is a UCC member and my dad is Jewish.  I am (on most days) Agnostic if only because firm convictions have brought anything but serenity and peace to this world.

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^^Atheism literally means "Absence of the observance of gods." I observe the existence of no gods, therefore, I am an Atheist.

 

Also, anytime is a good time for internet porn*, licorice, speedboats and symphonies.

 

*Except at work.

 

What I meant was that 'atheism' is not a belief, it is the absence of observance. I stay away as much as possible from relying on 'beliefs' to guide my actions, preferring ethics and whenever possible, knowledge.

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I don't think that Atheist and Agnostic should be a combined choice.  There really is a big difference.  My mom is a UCC member and my dad is Jewish.  I am (on most days) Agnostic if only because firm convictions have brought anything but serenity and peace to this world.

 

Lumping Agnostic and Atheist into one category is not the cleanest solution, but it is the most economical.

 

^^Atheism literally means "Absence of the observance of gods." I observe the existence of no gods, therefore, I am an Atheist.

 

Also, anytime is a good time for internet porn*, licorice, speedboats and symphonies.

 

*Except at work.

 

What I meant was that 'atheism' is not a belief, it is the absence of observance. I stay away as much as possible from relying on 'beliefs' to guide my actions, preferring ethics and whenever possible, knowledge.

 

A lot of people (of faith) automatically associate Atheism with Nihilism. Self-describing as an Atheist in no way should suggest the absence of believing in a greater good; Atheists acknowledge and embrace the fact that a fully articulated moral system is absolutely possible in the absence of religion and belief in a deity. In fact, I'd argue that a person willing to declare themselves an Atheist probably has more painful introspection under their belt than a rank and file adherent to a dominant religion if only for the fact that in mainstream society it's much easier to say "raised Catholic" than it is to say "arrived at Atheist."

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^Agreed.  Plus, a lot of my religious friends never question anything.  They just will throw out the "God can behave in mysterious ways" crap.  My 95 year old grandma is really struggling with the idea there is no after life.  It would be much easier to die if you thought you were going to a better place.  Instead, whenever we talk about religion, she'll point out to a leaf falling from a tree and say that when she dies, there is no difference.

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My grandpa went through something similar.  Toward the end he became pretty demanding on the local minister to convince him there was an afterlife.  I believe there is one, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about it.  People should focus more on the life they do have and the world they do operate in.

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People should focus more on the life they do have and the world they do operate in.

How very Confucian of you.

 

I don't really know what I believe, I just know that I don't have a religion. I don't know how we were created and I don't care. I feel that I should just live my life how I see fit, be true to myself, and not harm others. I like to think that there is only one sin...

 

"And that is theft. When you kill a man, you steal a life, you steal his wife’s right to a husband, rob his children of a father.  When you tell a lie, you steal someone’s right to the truth.  When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness." -Baba, from the Kite Runner

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A lot of people (of faith) automatically associate Atheism with Nihilism. Self-describing as an Atheist in no way should suggest the absence of believing in a greater good; Atheists acknowledge and embrace the fact that a fully articulated moral system is absolutely possible in the absence of religion and belief in a deity. In fact, I'd argue that a person willing to declare themselves an Atheist probably has more painful introspection under their belt than a rank and file adherent to a dominant religion if only for the fact that in mainstream society it's much easier to say "raised Catholic" than it is to say "arrived at Atheist."

 

Right on, I feel the same way. I was not raised to be particularly, or dogmatically religious, but was raised with the assumption that there was something called a God, probably just transferred or misapplied fear of strict parents and Foucaultian panopticon. It wasn't hard to imagine that when I die, I go back to dirt; I'm a Taurus, perhaps its in my blood. I very strongly object to the idea, like you mentioned, that atheists (or free thinkers) lack an ethical or moral sense. I think that is often a high hurdle for people raised in strict religious environments to understand.

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Here's my beef with religion of all kinds:

 

If you want to subscribe to a particular belief set, that's fine.  JUST DO NOT PUSH THAT CRAP ONTO ANYONE ELSE.  That means no to changing laws that affect EVERYONE because of the beliefs of a view.

 

If religion can keep it's hands off of government, the world would be a much, much better place.  This is fact.

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Today, during the State of the City address, they asked if we could bow our heads in prayer. I didn't, and kept my eyes open, and noted that about 1/4 of the crowd there had not bowed either. The girl one row ahead actually turned to look around, and noted me and smiled!

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I really feel awkward when I go to family things (like the winter solstice celebration) and we all have to form a circle and pray to god and little baby Jesus. As for public situations where I am asked to pray, I do the same thing.

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Why is this thread named "The Horribe, Horrible Religion Thread"? While religion might not be everyone's thing (it's not exactly mine, either), it is something that should be respected, IMO.  Can we change it? I feel it is unnecessarilly rude and disrespectful.

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Horrible is not meant to describe religion; it's meant to describe the thread itself, and how horrible the discussion becomes when people begin discussing religion. That's how the thread started out, at least (scroll back to pages 1&2--it was, indeed, horrible). Of late, it seems, the thread has attracted non-religious participants, and ironically, the thread has become far less horrible.

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