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Meh....there's a beautiful old Victorian house behind this commercial addition. Both are proposed to be replaced with a Dunkin Donuts. Such a shame.....

 

7908-7910 CARNEGIE AVENUE DEMOLITION

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Euclid Corridor Case #  EC 2018-038

Address:7908 - 7910 Carnegie Avenue

Company:Kolbrook Design, INC.

Architect:Kolbrook Design, INC

 

 

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DUNKIN DONUT CARNEGIE

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Euclid Corridor Case #  EC 2018-039

Address:7908 Carnegie Avenue

Company:Kolbrook Design, INC.

Architect:Kolbrook Design, INC

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Anyone know what is happening on Chester, just east of E40th, north side of the street, approx. 4316 Chester -- construction activity on the lot to the east of the Transaction Realty building?

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is that the angle of the photo or is that old brick front corner shop built right up into the front of the old mansion?

 

crazy to lose the historic mansion shell. i hope at least its truly beyond saving. ugh.

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Just now, mrnyc said:

is that the angle of the photo or is that old brick front corner shop built right up into the front of the old mansion?

 

crazy to lose the historic mansion shell. i hope at least its truly beyond saving. ugh.

 

Built right up to the front and attached to the front of the mansion. There are a lot of houses in Cleveland that had a commercial building attached to the front of them. It would be an interesting urban planning school project to document these.


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17 hours ago, Foraker said:

Anyone know what is happening on Chester, just east of E40th, north side of the street, approx. 4316 Chester -- construction activity on the lot to the east of the Transaction Realty building?

If you meant just west of the Transaction Realty building, that is going to be a parking lot. The contractor is installing underground detention.

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On 10/29/2018 at 12:01 PM, KJP said:

Meh....there's a beautiful old Victorian house behind this commercial addition. Both are proposed to be replaced with a Dunkin Donuts. Such a shame.....

 

7908-7910 CARNEGIE AVENUE DEMOLITION

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Euclid Corridor Case #  EC 2018-038

Address:7908 - 7910 Carnegie Avenue

Company:Kolbrook Design, INC.

Architect:Kolbrook Design, INC

 

 

Euclid Corridor Design Review Case Report

DUNKIN DONUT CARNEGIE

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Euclid Corridor Case #  EC 2018-039

Address:7908 Carnegie Avenue

Company:Kolbrook Design, INC.

Architect:Kolbrook Design, INC

7910 Carnegie Ave-Aug2017.jpg

 

Awful....

 

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Weird, but they show the Victorian house/commercial addition that's proposed to be demolished in the background of this image....

 

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Ten Northeast Ohio buildings are awarded Historic Preservation Tax Credits

 

Cleveland Masonic Temple (Cleveland)

Total project cost: $14,081,500

Total tax credit: $1,400,000

Address: 3615 Euclid Ave., Cleveland, 44115

 

Description: "The Cleveland Masonic Temple, located in Cleveland's Midtown neighborhood, includes an auditorium space as well as former lodge, banquet and office spaces. Designed in the Romanesque Revival style and constructed in 1918-1920, the building is now underutilized. After rehabilitation, the building will become a concert, performance and events venue."

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/ten-northeast-ohio-buildings-are-awarded-historic-preservation-tax-credits

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The Healthline and the 16 pass within a couple blocks of the new Dave's.  The population/grocery store ratio of Payne-Sterling is actually still pretty high though it is all Asian groceries now, and Midtown has a full service grocer.  Overall I consider this a win for the city.

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9 hours ago, X said:

The Healthline and the 16 pass within a couple blocks of the new Dave's.  The population/grocery store ratio of Payne-Sterling is actually still pretty high though it is all Asian groceries now, and Midtown has a full service grocer.  Overall I consider this a win for the city.

 

I disagree.  This was a neighborhood store that many residents could walk to.  Now they will have to take a bus for a couple miles, then walk a couple blocks to get there.  Also, the population density has to be much lower around this new location.

 

It's nice that Midtown is getting a store, but it's too bad that it had to be at the expense of an existing one.

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The #16 bus on East 55th leaves East 55th to go down Chester, East 59th and Euclid to serve the new Dave's and the UH facility. You can transfer to it from the #38 on Payne/Hough on 55th. Perhaps RTA could consider routing the #38 down 55th to Chester, then go back up to Hough on East 66th.

 

And I realize the Park-to-Shop grocery store on East 30th isn't as nice as a Dave's, but it is a full-service supermarket.


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Goodrich-Kirtland Park (aka Payne-Sterling, aka Asiatown) doesn't have much population, not enough to support 1 full service grocery, let alone several (the others are all Asian import oriented, but the demographics of the neighborhood are also heavily Asian).  Most of the people going to that Dave's were driving already- probably from nearby neighborhoods without a full service grocer at all, like Hough, Fairfax, or St. Clair/Superior.

 

But yes, it would always be nice if there could just be infinite full service, high quality grocers within a quick convenient walk to everybody, numbers be damned!

 

Demographic Data:

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/2010census/downloads/Goodrich-KirtlandPark.pdf

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28 minutes ago, X said:

Goodrich-Kirtland Park (aka Payne-Sterling, aka Asiatown) doesn't have much population, not enough to support 1 full service grocery, let alone several (the others are all Asian import oriented, but the demographics of the neighborhood are also heavily Asian).  Most of the people going to that Dave's were driving already- probably from nearby neighborhoods without a full service grocer at all, like Hough, Fairfax, or St. Clair/Superior.

 

But yes, it would always be nice if there could just be infinite full service, high quality grocers within a quick convenient walk to everybody, numbers be damned!

 

Demographic Data:

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/2010census/downloads/Goodrich-KirtlandPark.pdf

 

There needs to be a happy medium, otherwise urbanism becomes difficult to pull off.  I'd be happier about this whole situation if the plan for Midtown had tried to put more people in walking distance.  Instead we've got a bunch of offices with excellent grocery access, and a bunch of parking with excellent transit access.  None of that makes sense.

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10 minutes ago, X said:

... yes, it would always be nice if there could just be infinite full service, high quality grocers within a quick convenient walk to everybody, numbers be damned!

 

 

Prior to WW2, Fisher Foods had 356 stores in the Cleveland region and they pretty much WERE in walking distance of most residents. These stores, however, were fairly small with mostly basic food items (fruit, vegetables, meat, and staples). along the lines of Constantino's today.  It's possible to go back to that model, but prices would have to go up.  Everything's a trade-off. 

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There's nothing wrong with optimism, as long as you don't get your hopes up.

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I'd just like to say this too...

 

A 1 mile walk to Dave's in Ohio City is NOT the same as a 1 mile walk with groceries in most Midtown neighborhoods. 

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We all know Giant Eagle would prefer to serve the entire metro thru one massive store with parking for 5000.  And two cashiers.

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to me this went down in a way that embodies the worst of Cleveland.  

 

Dave's can and should operate wherever they would like.   And I totally understand why a new project would want them and vice-versa.  

 

It just seems to me, if the City is going to then turn around and subsidize Dave's new project, it would be reasonable to ask in return that the Dave's ownership not limit who they will sell to (they've made it clear they wont allow another grocer to move in).  I get Dave's position, but when you ask for help from the City and other public purpose entities, it is reasonable they ask for something back.     A better arrangement for the people of that neighborhood, especially seniors and those without access to vehicles, could have been reached.

 

I would offer that this would have gone down very differently had the Asian population more political clout within the City. 

 

When I see the City Councilman come to meetings and banally ask folks what they would like to see there (the answer: a grocery) with no tools or strategies for how to get that done, I feel like people are being very (perhaps unintentionally) mislead 

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It's definitely a loss for the residents of Asiatown and the viability of car-free life there, but as a silver lining, this is a pretty good building block for a more sustainable residential population in western Midtown and Hough. Fingers crossed we see an uptick in new housing development, market rate and subsidized. 

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Timely....

 

 


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https://midtowncleveland.org/reincarnegie/

 

re+inCarnegie
reconnect- + rethink + reinvest

A NEW PLAN FOR CARNEGIE AVENUE

 

About the Project

 

The City of Cleveland and MidTown Cleveland, with support from the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency (NOACA), are partnering on a plan to re-envision the Carnegie Avenue Corridor.

 

Project Goals

  • Re-envision the corridor’s identity
  • Support economic development by promoting real estate reinvestment and transformative uses for the land
  • Bring physical and aesthetic cohesion to the corridor
  • Increase transportation options

 

Project Objectives

  • Determine the long-term vision for Carnegie Avenue
  • Identify pedestrian and infrastructure improvements
  • Identify land uses that complement nearby neighborhoods that promote walkability and transit use
  • Encourage north-south connectivity for residents of Central and Fairfax to MidTown and beyond
  • Identify key recommendations for equitable development and green infrastructure

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When the opportunity corridor finishes up, there will will be a fairly large drop in traffic as everyone shifts to the new route. I wouldn't mind seeing the Carnegie offramp eliminated to help as well. 

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Tell them....

 


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TempleLive owner completing first phase of work on Cleveland Masonic Temple

Fort Smith-based Beaty Capital Group, owner of TempleLive in downtown Fort Smith, announced Tuesday (Jan. 29) it is completing the first phase of an estimated $8 million, two-phase renovation of the 200,000-square-foot Masonic Temple in Cleveland, Ohio.

https://talkbusiness.net/2019/01/templelive-owner-completing-first-phase-of-work-on-cleveland-masonic-temple/


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The line that I thought was really interesting was this:  "Beaty Capital owner Lance Beaty told Talk Business & Politics the first two phases of the Cleveland renovation work will cost around $8 million, with a much larger third phase in development with costs yet unknown."

 

I wonder what that could be.

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7 hours ago, X said:

The line that I thought was really interesting was this:  "Beaty Capital owner Lance Beaty told Talk Business & Politics the first two phases of the Cleveland renovation work will cost around $8 million, with a much larger third phase in development with costs yet unknown."

 

I wonder what that could be.

@X Let's finish the Masonic Memorial Tower!

 

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1 hour ago, simplythis said:

Exactly where is this tower?

 

It was proposed to be built between the front of the Masonic Hall and Euclid Avenue. You can see the existing hall behind the tower.

 

EDIT: also interesting is that Beaty Capital Group is buying Masonic halls all over the United States and renovating them with new entertainment uses. I looked at articles about some of the other purchases and projects to try and see if I could figure out what might be part of their future plans for the Cleveland Masonic Hall but none offered any clues.

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400,000 live in food deserts in Cuyahoga County, Dave’s Supermarket aims to change that

http://www.cleveland19.com/2019/02/06/live-food-deserts-cuyahoga-county-daves-supermarket-aims-change-that/

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Seems like they're more ending one food desert and creating a new one by relocating a mile down the street although I guess there are still the Asian markets near their Payne avenue location.

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The article did say they're looking at providing transportation for people who have trouble getting to the new location. Not as good as just having a grocery store in your neighborhood, but it should help ease the transition for folks at least.

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The gas station at E. 55th and Euclid is going to design review next week for demolition. Current owners are Berush Development partners so I don't expect this to be a grass field for too long.

 

Whenever I poke around the E.55th area on Streetview I'm reminded of the Cobb & Bradley building that was demolished 10 years ago. Hopefully Berush can jumpstart some development near this intersection because I'm sick of looking at the empty lots where large buildings once stood.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2019/PDF/EC-Agenda-3-14-19.pdf

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3127&CASE=EC 2019-017

 

Project Information

Euclid Corridor Case #  EC 2019-017

Address: 5300-05400 Euclid Ave. / 2008 E 55th Street

Company: Berush Development Partners, LLC

Architect: Tarrify Properties, LLC

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