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^that is precisely why I want to see what their expansion plans are... maybe it's more of euclid, maybe it's south towards carnegie (they own land and buildings there as well).  Hard to comment on the unknown.

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To be serious, the entire Pierre's plant is set back from the street with a black fence in front of it.  There is greenspace directly to the west of the complex, where the warehouse will go.  I would assume that the planning commission won't allow the warehouse to look like just "anything".  Pierre's is what it is- I would rather have them expand here- even on Euclid- than to loose them to another municipality/region/state later. As long as SOME type of above par design is part of the proposal, I'll be ok with it.

 

I honestly don't know how to feel about this section of Euclid.  Part of me wants to scream out that we're squandering the greatest opportunity for our main thoroughfare with these proposed developments.  Another part of me wants to just wait and see what happens in regards to whatever plan is in place for Midtown.  But I surely feel that the LACK of a concise, well thought-out plan for this street could possibly lead to us missing a great opportunity for one of the nation's greatest avenues.  If there is a plan for the street, as of right now, I'm not a fan of the planner.

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First, in no way am I advocating for an industrial parkway on Euclid.  But I am a practical guy and sometimes I wonder what people's realistic expectations for MidTown are/were when the BRT was built.  I understand there was a "vision" (we have seen plenty of those) and we all have our dreams, but was anybody realistically expecting a sliver of urban density from UC to Downtown to sprout up along the corridor, with residential, retail and "UO approved" commercial uses lining Euclid Avenue from CSU to the Clinic?

 

I always contemplated the BRT to encourage build out from UC and Downtown, meaning the density of those neighborhoods would expand another 10-15 blocks or so over the course of a couple decades.  I also expected, and we are seeing, some significant infill in UC and the CBD as a direct result of the BRT.  I also hope for build out to the north and south along Chester, Payne, Carnegie and Prospect within the same block confines.  However, I never realistically expected a magical boom of contruction covering 50 or more blocks that would connect the two areas with true urban neighborhoods.

 

My bottom line is that if a developer wants to build anything that is going to get hip hip hoorays on this board, I would rather it be in UC or the CBD than MidTown.  Both of those areas still have a lot of growth potential to them and, at least IMO, building lively neighborhoods in MidTown only causes sprawl within the City itself.  For every resident MidTown attracts, it probably takes one away from UC or Downtown.  Expansion of desired levels of density into MidTown should be caused by demand and necessity down the road, not pushed as a goal when we still have a lot of work to do on the bookends of the BRT. 

 

It's the same philosophy I have with Skyscrapers - build up only when there is not enough room to fill in.

 

Sorry for the rant.... JMHO

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A family builds a really nice mansion.  It looks great - they're all excited about it, and it's the pride of the whole neighborhood.  Then, as soon as it's ready, the husband decides to turn the living room into a machine shop.  The wife starts a baby sitting operation in the family room.  The high school boy starts building computers in the kitchen, and the grade school girl turns the foyer into an animal shelter.  Pretty soon the nice mansion turns into a run-down, sore spot of the neighborhood.

 

That's pretty much what's happening with the Midtown section of Euclid Ave.  Because it *looks good*, all kinds of organizations that should have no business on a street designed to be pedestrian-friendly and foster urban development, are opening shop there: a madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be ghetto, a food factory.  Why they wouldn't be required to move to, say, Carnegie or Chester, beats me.

 

On the other hand, maybe that's the only way to fill the empty land between the two cities that together are called Cleveland, and it may just work...

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A family builds a really nice mansion.  It looks great - they're all excited about it, and it's the pride of the whole neighborhood.  Then, as soon as it's ready, the husband decides to turn the living room into a machine shop.  The wife starts a baby sitting operation in the family room.  The high school boy starts building computers in the kitchen, and the grade school girl turns the foyer into an animal shelter.  Pretty soon the nice mansion turns into a run-down, sore spot of the neighborhood.

 

That's pretty much what's happening with the Midtown section of Euclid Ave.  Because it *looks good*, all kinds of organizations that should have no business on a street designed to be pedestrian-friendly and foster urban development, are opening shop there: a madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be ghetto, a food factory.  Why they wouldn't be required to move to, say, Carnegie or Chester, beats me.

 

On the other hand, maybe that's the only way to fill the empty land between the two cities that together are called Cleveland, and it may just work...

 

Please explain the choice of words??

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a madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be ghetto, a food factory. Why they wouldn't be required to move to, say, Carnegie or Chester, beats me.

 

So your vision is to have a densely populated, pedestrian friendly Euclid Avenue with the madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be-ghetto, and a food factory (your words) just one block away?

 

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Pierre's Ice Cream Co. gets unanimous approval for $6 million expansion from Cleveland Planning Commission

 

by Janet H. Cho/Plain Dealer Reporter

Friday September 04, 2009, 11:22 AM

 

CLEVELAND - Pierre's Ice Cream Co. got a unanimous thumbs-up from the City Planning Commission this morning on its $6 million proposal to build another 35,540-square-foot production and storage facility on its Midtown Cleveland campus.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/09/pierres_ice_cream_co_gets_unan.html

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A family builds a really nice mansion.  It looks great - they're all excited about it, and it's the pride of the whole neighborhood.  Then, as soon as it's ready, the husband decides to turn the living room into a machine shop.  The wife starts a baby sitting operation in the family room.  The high school boy starts building computers in the kitchen, and the grade school girl turns the foyer into an animal shelter.  Pretty soon the nice mansion turns into a run-down, sore spot of the neighborhood.

 

That's pretty much what's happening with the Midtown section of Euclid Ave.  Because it *looks good*, all kinds of organizations that should have no business on a street designed to be pedestrian-friendly and foster urban development, are opening shop there: a madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be ghetto, a food factory.  Why they wouldn't be required to move to, say, Carnegie or Chester, beats me.

 

On the other hand, maybe that's the only way to fill the empty land between the two cities that together are called Cleveland, and it may just work...

 

Please explain the choice of words??

 

I think the choice of words are pretty funny! Pretty much self explanatory. Ha! The inconvenient truth, maybe?

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A family builds a really nice mansion.  It looks great - they're all excited about it, and it's the pride of the whole neighborhood.  Then, as soon as it's ready, the husband decides to turn the living room into a machine shop.  The wife starts a baby sitting operation in the family room.  The high school boy starts building computers in the kitchen, and the grade school girl turns the foyer into an animal shelter.  Pretty soon the nice mansion turns into a run-down, sore spot of the neighborhood.

 

That's pretty much what's happening with the Midtown section of Euclid Ave.  Because it *looks good*, all kinds of organizations that should have no business on a street designed to be pedestrian-friendly and foster urban development, are opening shop there: a madhouse/homeless shelter, a soon-to-be ghetto, a food factory.  Why they wouldn't be required to move to, say, Carnegie or Chester, beats me.

 

On the other hand, maybe that's the only way to fill the empty land between the two cities that together are called Cleveland, and it may just work...

 

Please explain the choice of words??

 

I think the choice of words are pretty funny! Pretty much self explanatory. Ha! The inconvenient truth, maybe?

 

yo, tell that to chuck heston !! :laugh:

 

 

 

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FYI: this was on design-review's agenda on Friday....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2009/100209/index.php

 

Ordinance No. 1387-09 (Ward 5/Cleveland):  Authorizing the Commissioner of Purchases and Supplies to purchase property for future redevelopment of the State Behavioral Health Center in Midtown for the Department of Economic Development.


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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Cleveland City Council takes first steps to prep Midtown land for state mental hospital

By Henry J. Gomez, The Plain Dealer

October 05, 2009, 1:27AM

 

Efforts to prepare land in Cleveland's Midtown area for a state mental hospital are underway.

 

The City Council's Finance Committee will hear legislation this afternoon to acquire and clean parcels near Euclid Avenue and East 59th Street.

 

 

MORE AT CLEVELAND.COM

http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/10/cleveland_city_council_takes_f.html

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Cleveland City Council takes first steps to prep Midtown land for state mental hospital

By Henry J. Gomez, The Plain Dealer

October 05, 2009, 1:27AM

 

Efforts to prepare land in Cleveland's Midtown area for a state mental hospital are underway.

 

The City Council's Finance Committee will hear legislation this afternoon to acquire and clean parcels near Euclid Avenue and East 59th Street.

 

 

MORE AT CLEVELAND.COM

http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2009/10/cleveland_city_council_takes_f.html

 

Great.

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The outline of the parcel in the PD story was interesting.  Not sure how they will use the land on the south side of Euclid.  Certainly surface parking comes to mind, which would depress me.  Hopefully they will site this thing efficiently and unload any surplus land instead of sprawling the thing out to cover the whole lot.

 

I know this project annoys a lot of folks, but I'm still OK with it if the design is even halfway competent (maybe the best we can hope for); it's a major employer and will bring a lot more activity to the immediate area than the subsidized housing will.

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Go to historicaerials.com to see exactly what was there. I love/hate that site.


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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You guys are correct.  Per article in PD today the city bought the lot on the south side of the street for parking.  We can only hope that it won't be surface parking, but rather an interesting garage with street level retail, but I think I am being a dreamer here.  Never had a real problem with the hospital (not yet at least...have to see the design), but this really irks me.

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I'm surprised. I though the zoning overlay for that section of Euclid Avenue (as of 2005 or 2006) didn't allow for surface parking fronting Euclid. I don't remember the gory details of the zoning language, so if anyone has those details, please share!!


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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Whatever happens here will have to go through design review and they're nowhere near that yet.  If they want to put in surface parking, I'm assuming they'll need a zoning variance, which requires support from the City, CDC, etc.

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^A zoning variance is somewhat easy to get, as long as the councilman of the ward is on board with the changes.  If the councilman wants it (reelection purposes), the CDC will more than likely follow suit.  Noticing that this will bring construction to this section of Euclid which has been ignored for so long, I would assume that the councilman won't care about the surface parking lot (UNLESS, of course, the councilman is mindful of the history of the street, but again, politics...). 

 

If the city wants to spend tax dollars to clean up this section of Euclid, I'm all for that.  Since we don't have a choice, and the hospital will be here, I guess I can be ok with that.  But DAMMIT... do we have to put in ANOTHER surface parking lot on this street?  Can't we have one project which is catered towards the pedestrian first, and the automobile second?  Argh...

 

 

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Geis and Coyne families float plans for technology center on Euclid Avenue

By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

November 18, 2009, 5:52PM

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/11/geis_and_coyne_families_float.html

 

Below is the most disturbing paragraph from the article:

 

Without financial assistance, Geis said the tech center would need to charge rents of about $20 per square foot in a market where tenants are willing to pay only $12 to $15. The disparity is due partly to high land costs and partly to the project design, which calls for a more suburban-style, single-story building surrounded by hundreds of parking spots.

That style of building does not mesh with zoning guidelines, which call for multiple stories and a range of uses on that portion of Euclid Avenue. Geis said he is trying to compete with suburban properties and provide suburban amenities, like safe and ample parking, in an urban environment.

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Major demolition underway at future site of hospital. This would make about 8 blocks in a row of undeveloped land once they come down. And just 3 blocks down is the other demo project.

 

2 if not 3 large warehouses about to be taken down at Euclid/Chester/E. 60th, fenced off, top floors windows blown out. Thing is - this property is actively listed for sale on Colliers website.

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Is that a new listing? Is there a way to tell?


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American Sugar expansion plan would nearly double Cleveland plant's size

By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

December 08, 2009, 5:29PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A sour economy hasn't killed America's sweet tooth.

As John Mitchell points out, people still need to eat. And whether they're ordering at Red Lobster or doctoring their coffee at home, millions of consumers are using sweeteners packaged at the Cleveland plant that Mitchell manages.

The facility, on East 65th Street between Euclid and Carnegie avenues, has been growing for several years. American Sugar Refining Inc., a manufacturing affiliate of sugar giant Domino Foods Inc., has spent approximately $6 million since 2004 on equipment, new packaging lines and other improvements. Now the company wants to spend $3 million to $8 million more on an expansion that would nearly double the plant's size.

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Major demolition underway at future site of hospital. This would make about 8 blocks in a row of undeveloped land once they come down. And just 3 blocks down is the other demo project.

 

2 if not 3 large warehouses about to be taken down at Euclid/Chester/E. 60th, fenced off, top floors windows blown out. Thing is - this property is actively listed for sale on Colliers website.

 

Does someone have pictures of those warhouses?  Or maybe someone could get them for me.

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Major demolition underway at future site of hospital. This would make about 8 blocks in a row of undeveloped land once they come down. And just 3 blocks down is the other demo project.

 

2 if not 3 large warehouses about to be taken down at Euclid/Chester/E. 60th, fenced off, top floors windows blown out. Thing is - this property is actively listed for sale on Colliers website.

 

Does someone have pictures of those warhouses? Or maybe someone could get them for me.

 

Check their website:

http://www.loopnet.com/looplink/colliersintl_us/searchresultsmap.aspx?SearchType=FSFL&VIEWSTATEID=86955192&PgCxtGuid=853ca342-ab7d-44d1-9dd0-d22b7a9e3fd8&PgCxtCurFLKey=LooplinkSearchPage&name=colliersintl&LooplinkRadioButton=FSFL&QryRadioPropertyType=40&QryRadioCountryList=US%2cUS&QryRadioStateList=OH&QryRadioCity=cleveland&UOMMoneyCurrencyDropDown1=USD&UOMListingDropDown1=USI&QryRadioLooplinkSubmit=Begin+Search&ReturnTargetUrl=%2fxNet%2fLoopLink%2fLoopLinks%2fcolliersintl_us%2fqryradio.aspx&R_LL_RB=FSFL&R_QR_C=cleveland&R_QR_CountryList=US&R_QR_PT=40

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