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This may just be posturing by the Governor.  The courts will still issue their ruling and 3rd parties will surely submit arguments in favor of the law.  However, if the county court rules in favor of the conservative activist group, then things may get interesting as to who will/can appeal.  This goes back to the reason the Obama Administration defended DADT despite it stance against DADT.  If the Administration did not defend the law, then arguably no one could.

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Then again, Bush won in '04 on his campaign of "family values" (a.k.a. gays are destroying our country) so who knows, maybe Wisconsin voters believe in this kind of garbage.

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The right wingers put the "no gay marriage" referendum on the ballot although it had already been handled by the federal "Defense of Marriage Act".  Karl Rove didn't have an important "moral" issue to address, he just wanted to fire up his base and get his voters to the polls to help  Bush win.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/politics/main645393.shtml

 

(CBS/AP)  Campaign literature mailed by the Republican National Committee warns voters in two states that the Bible will be prohibited and men will marry men if "liberals" win in November.

 

The New York Times reported that the mass mailing was sent to voters in Arkansas and West Virginia, and was part of a GOP effort to mobilize religious voters.

 

The literature shows a Bible with the word "BANNED" across it and a photo of a man, on his knees, placing a ring on the hand of another man with the word "ALLOWED." The mailing tells West Virginians to "vote Republican to protect our families" and defeat the "liberal agenda."

 

The Times said RNC spokeswoman Christine Iverson had confirmed that the GOP had sent out the mailings.

 

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/politics/main645393.shtml#ixzz1MfC4Sc1z

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So... gay marriage passed in NY. With a Republican Senate majority. I think this is the biggest gay rights moment since Massachusetts, for several reasons:

 

1) The number of Americans who can get same-sex marriages is instantly doubled.

2) This is the first time marriage has been passed by a legislature, independent of any court ruling.

3) NY is not really that liberal. Outside NYC, it is roughly Ohio-like, probably even more conservative.

4) The State Senate is controlled by Republicans.

 

Overall, I think this is a major landmark that will help accelerate change in the rest of the country. It's even bigger than Iowa, since Iowa happened through the courts.

 

It's worth noting NY has no referendum/initiative powers, so another act of the legislature is the only way the law can be reversed. That's hard to see happening.

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Yeah, big day for NY legislature.  Some serious suspense along the way too. 

 

2) This is the first time marriage has been passed by a legislature, independent of any court ruling.

 

I'm pretty sure Vermont and NH enacted gay marriage through their legislatures, unrelated to any litigation.  And Maine too, though it was overturned by a voter referendum.

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^Oh, for sure!  I just wanted to do my part to counter the myth that gay marriage is "always imposed by the courts" when that hasn't been the case, even before NY.  The fact that at GOP-majority body voted for this is amazing.

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I'm so excited! Now I can enlist, and I won't have to stay in the closet like I did 1962 - 1966!

 

..Court orders gay military service ban lifted

 

By Jeremy Pelofsky and Dan Levine | Reuters – 2 hrs 31 mins ago

....tweet32EmailPrint......Related Content.

...Choi, a gay Army officer honorably discharged under the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, …

....SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The Obama administration must stop enforcing the ban that prevents gay men and women from serving openly in the U.S. military, a federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday.

 

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/court-orders-gay-military-ban-lifted-202125179.html

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I'm so excited! Now I can enlist, and I won't have to stay in the closet like I did 1962 - 1966!

 

..Court orders gay military service ban lifted

 

By Jeremy Pelofsky and Dan Levine | Reuters – 2 hrs 31 mins ago

....tweet32EmailPrint......Related Content.

...Choi, a gay Army officer honorably discharged under the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, …

....SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The Obama administration must stop enforcing the ban that prevents gay men and women from serving openly in the U.S. military, a federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday.

 

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/court-orders-gay-military-ban-lifted-202125179.html

 

He He He!

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This isnt national gay rights....but watching the gay pride parade in Cincinnati, there was quite a bit of politician presence there, from city council members and candidates. 

 

The big one was the mayor, wearing this nice straw hat, riding in the back of an open coververtible waving at the crowd, leading the parade. 

 

Imperssive, and sort of puts the lie on Cincys conservative politics. 

 

One of the neat things was a councilman...forget the name..also riding in an open car (or was he walking?) wearing thouse HRC "equality' symbol stickers  like epaulettes, or Captains bars, liked you'd see in a military uniform.

 

Good thing to see in Cincy.  Here in Dayto it's sort of an iffy issue, still....Seems support is broader for Gay Rights and the GLBT community there...based on who was marching and also that there were apparently str8 folks watching the parade, too.    In Dayton it is pretty much a GLBT affair, with the exception of a few progressive church congregations who march....oddly it seems more str8 church people are marching than GLBTs in Dayton. 

 

Well, we are finally in the 1980s or early 1990s here in Dayton re mainstreaming of the gay community.  Cincy seems to be further along.

 

 

 

 

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Good for Romney.  As for the rest, Oh.... Dear.... God.... (no pun intended)

 

Romney rejects gay marriage pledge

 

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's campaign said Tuesday that he will not sign a conservative Iowa Christian group's far-reaching pledge opposing gay marriage, making him the first Republican presidential candidate to reject it.

 

Two of Romney's rivals for the Republican nomination, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, have signed the The Family Leader's 14-point pledge, which calls on the candidates to denounce same-sex marriage rights, pornography, same-sex military accommodations and forms of Islamic law.

 

When it was first circulated last week, the introduction to the pledge stated that African American children were more likely to be raised in two-parent households when they were born into slavery than they are today. The group struck that language and apologized after black ministers complained, but it said it stands by the rest of the document.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-romney-rejects-gay-marriage-pledge-230845356.html

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Honestly, this is the state that's supposed to be a barometer for how the rest of the country will trend? I like Huntsman's approach, staying out of the state all together. Hopefully the other candidates with rational minds will ignore this nonsense and focus on something that matters, like tax cuts for the rich.

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Johnson and Romney obviously view gay marriage as a back door for legalizing polygamy. You know, since they're Mormons.

(For the humor-detection impaired, this is meant to be satirical.)

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Oh sweet jesus; from that same Yahoo AP story:

 

When it was first circulated last week, the introduction to the pledge stated that African American children were more likely to be raised in two-parent households when they were born into slavery than they are today. The group struck that language and apologized after black ministers complained, but it said it stands by the rest of the document.

 

Even if you don't find the 14 points repugnant (and I do), that little intro bit should give a good sense what kind of crazies these people are.  Surprised they didn't mention how rare divorce was before the 19th Amendment.

 

Update: Pawlenty and Newt have also declined to sign on: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/07/13/pawlenty-refuses-to-sign-pledge-against-gay-marriage/

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Oh sweet jesus; from that same Yahoo AP story:

 

When it was first circulated last week, the introduction to the pledge stated that African American children were more likely to be raised in two-parent households when they were born into slavery than they are today. The group struck that language and apologized after black ministers complained, but it said it stands by the rest of the document.

 

Even if you don't find the 14 points repugnant (and I do), that little intro bit should give a good sense what kind of crazies these people are.  Surprised they didn't mention how rare divorce was before the 19th Amendment.

 

See what I mean, considering "African American" were not "African Americans" in slave times and there were no African American "households".  Lastly, an "African American" my have been the parent of a child, but that child did not belong to either "parent".

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That pledge is stupid and wrong on so many levels.  But it did serve one important purpose.  Two of the biggest clowns in the race (Bachmann and Santorum) signed it, and in doing so they've voluntarily eliminated themselves from having any shot at winning the Presidency.  It's similar to the last Republican nomination cycle when a few of these jokers raised their hands when asked if they did not believe in evolution. 

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Really?

 

DOJ Tells Court It "Continues to Defend" DADT, Seeks Reinstatement of Law "By the Close of Business Tomorrow"

Posted by Chris Geidner

July 14, 2011 8:50 PM

 

The Department of Justice filed a motion in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Ciruit in the Log Cabin Republicans v. United States case today, asking the court for "emergency" reconsideration of its July 6 decision to lift the stay of the worldwide injunction of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law -- a motion that asks for the stay to be put back in place by "close of business" on Friday, July 15.

 

Additionally, not waiting until its July 21 deadline to respond to a later order from the appellate court, the government submitted a second filing, responding to the Ninth Circuit's claim that "it appears to the merits panel that the United States is not prepared to defend the constitutionality of 10 U.S.C. § 654" -- the DADT law. DOJ countered today that "it has fully defended, and continues to defend, the constitutionality" of DADT "as it exists following enactment of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010." DOJ makes the argument in a letter that states that -- after the repeal act was signed into law -- Section 654 became a "transitional provision."

 

The government argues that "§ 654 remains in force by operation of § 2© of the Repeal Act, which provides that § 654 'shall remain in effect until such time that all of the requirements and certifications required by' the Repeal Act 'are met.'" Because of this provision in the repeal act, the government argues, "§ 654 is now a transitional provision that remains in force only until the Executive Branch completes the repeal process."

 

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Interesting that the DOJ has deemed DOMA unconstitutional and will not defend it in court, but has not gone that far with DADT.  I suppose the DADT repeal was a legislative victory the administration wants to trumpet (and not have its thunder stolen by the 9th Circuit), but I would bet the real rationale has more to do with not setting precedent in military affairs.

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I put some pix of my partner and me up on my cube partition near my computer, three pix on legal size paper (one of which I had posted here years ago).  If anyone asks who that is I'll tell them. 

 

So I am FINALLY sloooowly coming out at work.

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I put some pix of my partner and me up on my cube partition near my computer, three pix on legal size paper (one of which I had posted here years ago).  If anyone asks who that is I'll tell them. 

 

So I am FINALLY sloooowly coming out at work.

 

:clap:

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The Gay Decievers is probably a good period piece.  It would have pre-dated Boys in the Band, I think?

 

@@@

 

In a wierd way I feel like I'm coming out all over again, and am coming out into a "new" gay world, different from the one I first came out in.

 

This comment is  more so  about going out and getting back into gay life.  Not really a "gay rights" issue, but more an observation on changing styles and lifeworlds in the gay subculture. .....how things are different now than from 1985-1990...the time I came out, met my partner, and settled down. 

 

The the old "hunt and chase", the 'cruise the bars and pick up tricks' approach,  seems to have dissappeared, at least here in Dayton (Either that or I am having issues picking up on this).

And there are no more true gay discos or dance clubs.   

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The gay subculture is dying, and I don't think it's a bad thing.

 

I don't think it will totally die out, but it's already easy to ignore. Even ten years ago, it was a vital resource for gays coming into adulthood. Now it's optional for most. Maybe not in the Deep South.

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The gay subculture is dying, and I don't think it's a bad thing

 

Maybe that's what I'm sensing (though there is that gay widower thing going on with me too, which makes things somewhat melancholy anyway). 

 

But....why do you think this is a positive development?

 

 

 

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Because it means gays are becoming mainstream. The distinction, caused by discrimination, is blurring, and the need for separate gay institutions is disappearing.

 

I understand that the older generations have a strong emotional tie to the gay community, as they experienced it, but younger GLBT folks are growing up in a world where they need not seek out a subculture born of oppression and segregation. Their straight friends are just as supportive as the gay community.

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It seems that there is a "getting lost in the crowd" aspect to integration.

 

This study (links to a .pdf) estimates about 1.7% of the adult population is, or identifies, as gay or lesbian (not counting bi-sexual, which ups the %s). 

 

At this number, you are talking about maybe 1 to 2 out of a 100 being gay/les, so even in an accepting integrated environment ones chances of actual meeting or hooking up with other gay folks (in whatever fashion..long term relationship or or one-night-stand or just conviviality or freindship) is low. 

 

Which reminds me of what one used to hear...that gay people felt like they were the "only ones", until they found the "community" (which usually meant gay bars or private social circles).  In their immediate social and work environment they probably were the "only ones", and that is probably the case today, too (certain industries and neighborhoods might have more of a concentration, true...but I am talking on average)

 

Though I have to say I think I and my partner where pioneers in this integration here in Dayton since we used to go to mainstream places and events a lot ....as a couple. 

 

Back in the day, which was our first few years here, gay men would go to things with a woman as a threesome or as a "beard", to throw off the "two-guys-as-a-couple" image.  Or they would go with a lady friend as a M-F couple.  We never did this  (it just seemed silly), and we went to certain places enough, as "regulars", to be known as a couple.  But there was also the gay bars if we wanted to hang out with other gay people for awhile, too. 

 

 

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Back to Gay Rights.

 

I guess a emerging issue is GLBT youth. 

 

I usually don't do street activism here in Dayton, but here is an event I went to last night.  Fairly well attended for Dayton.  I was told most of the attendees where parents from PLFAG and their gay kids, plus some slightly older gay youth, the "Mu Crew" , and GLSEN people (don't know much about this aspect of gay activism), and a few odds and ends like myself.

 

GLSEN Greater Dayton Candle Light Vigil

 

Music and guest speakers to honor the LGBT Youth that have lost their lives or taken their own lives in the years past. Everyone will be given a candle to hold during the event (while they last). The date marks the one year anniversary of Tyler Clementi's death

 

One of the speakers was a young country-gospel singer from Nashville, who was originally from Paducah, KY.  He was also in town to do an event with the local MCC.  He is a survivor, and from his tale one can see there is still work to be done...

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An update on DADT repeal

 

Active duty gays say coming out has been non-event

 

Chief Warrant Officer Charlie Morgan kept it simple and sweet. She was eight months into a nine-month assignment in Kuwait, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta had just informed Congress that the U.S. armed forces were ready to integrate openly gay troops.

 

Morgan decided the time was right to come out to her commander. The photograph of her wife and 4-year-old daughter she kept hidden on her desk helped her do it.

 

"I said, 'Sir, I would like to introduce you to someone. This is my family,'" Morgan recalled of her July conversation with her boss, an Army colonel leading a 2,400-soldier brigade. "He said, 'Charlie, you have a beautiful family. You know, "don't ask, don't tell" prevented me from getting to know you.'"

 

 

(there are over 100 comments, pretty good ones...)

 

 

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This is has sickened me.

 

The bully pulled a punk bitch move by obviously jumping on someone he knew he could take.  Whats worse is that not one person in this class did a thing to stop this from taking place, but had enough wherewithall to make and post a video!  The ENTIRE class participated in this attack.  PERIOD!

 

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/20111028/NEWS01/110280302

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/20111028/NEWS01/111028009/Unioto-reviews-discipline-fight-criminal-charge-still-pending?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFrontpage

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-bully-beating-gay-student-caught-cell-phone/story?id=14834057

Unioto Superintendent Dwight Garrett said Thursday that the district's legal counsel advised him not to speak about the specifics of the fight. He did say he had not heard from Collins about any bullying concerns until after Oct. 17, but she had spoken to Osborne before.

"We have one goal and that's to educate every student. A lot of these things that are going on happen before or after school and on social media, then they bring it to school," Garrett said, adding school officials do not have jurisdiction over what happens on social media sites.

BS!!

 

As a gay man I a so furious right now.

 

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In my many years of experience, a very large number of the most outspokenly homophobic men I've known have been guarding their own closets. Either they've been fooling around out of sight and trying to "smokescreen" it, or they've been trying to suppress urges that make them hate themselves.

 

I've lost count of the number of fundamentalist preachers and other religious activists in my area who railed against gay-affirming books in public libraries, and then got arrested in public parks or highway rest areas while getting their knees dirty. Guys I knew in the Air Force who told hateful fag jokes or talked about busting up gay bars or beating up queers made up a sizeable number of the ones I saw getting discharged because they got caught messing around with other guys. The elder who was most virulently opposed to ordination of gays and lesbians in the Presbyterian church that I attend was arrested in a nearby cruising park when he groped a vice cop. His wife wasn't happy about it, and his gay son was embarrassed.

 

Several of my friends have told of encountering their former bullying homophobic high-school nemeses a few years later in gay bars.

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