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The Gilbert Avenue Viaduct should absolutely be torn down and meet Eggleston at-grade. But the city will never do it, because commuters would complain that it would add 47 seconds to their average daily commute.

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It's an awfully large and elaborate structure that really only eliminates one intersection, and then only for Gilbert itself.  If it was demolished, Gilbert would intersect Eggleston at Reedy where there's already a light, so it wouldn't really affect Eggleston much.  What's left of Reedy and Culvert would need to be reconfigured or just dead-ended, but that looks pretty trivial.  Of course get the traffic engineers involved and it would require triple left turn lanes and double right turns and crazy signal phasing and slip turns and who knows what else.  

 

I will say this for the current overpass, it allows the bus lines that use Gilbert, which is a lot of them, to fly in and out of downtown.  They can go nearly a mile without stopping, giving them a leg up on travel times.  Of course this just illustrates how there's "no there there" along that stretch of road.  

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13 hours ago, taestell said:

The Gilbert Avenue Viaduct should absolutely be torn down and meet Eggleston at-grade. But the city will never do it, because commuters would complain that it would add 47 seconds to their average daily commute.

I stare at the redundant Gilbert Ave overpass every single day (or did, at least, until we started renovating our office a couple weeks ago) and haven't been able to stop myself from dreaming about the attached trace paper sketches. Who's got millions of dollars and political connections? I have another sketch that incorporates a new Greyhound bus terminal, but I can't find it...

Gilbert Overpass Park 2.jpg

Gilbert Overpass Park.jpg

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Wow, I never realized how wasteful it is. Very interesting. Let's do that and get the county jail moved while we're at it. 

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3 hours ago, cincydave8 said:

Wow, I never realized how wasteful it is. Very interesting. Let's do that and get the county jail moved while we're at it. 


YES. And re-purpose the building as Cincinnati's first micro-tel with one hotel room per jail cell haha.

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6 hours ago, cincydave8 said:

Let's do that and get the county jail moved while we're at it. 

 

Have other cities/counties done this before? The courthouse and justice center have a monopoly on their business, so it doesn't really matter where they are located. What would be the drawback of moving them from their current location to a low land value area? Put them where they could kickstart the revitalization of a neighborhood.

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As much as I don't like the design of this development (mainly because of its comparison to how great Skyhouse would have looked) it's still great to see more residential units added in the urban core.  1010 on the Rhine is finishing up so it's great we have another pretty big development coming online now.  

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I like a signature skyscraper as much as the next guy, but Skyhouse would not have been signature... in fact, it would be an exact copy of Skyhouse's in other cities. Having practically the exact same number of units (344 in artistry vs 352 in skyhouse) closer to the street and park will contribute more positively to vitality on the ground for people. 

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16 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

9/16/2019

 

 

artistry.jpg

 

Dang! Never truly realized how large that lot was! Great to see parking filled 

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45 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I like a signature skyscraper as much as the next guy, but Skyhouse would not have been signature... in fact, it would be an exact copy of Skyhouse's in other cities. Having practically the exact same number of units (344 in artistry vs 352 in skyhouse) closer to the street and park will contribute more positively to vitality on the ground for people. 

 

So, a chain of skyscrapers then.

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1 hour ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I like a signature skyscraper as much as the next guy, but Skyhouse would not have been signature... in fact, it would be an exact copy of Skyhouse's in other cities. Having practically the exact same number of units (344 in artistry vs 352 in skyhouse) closer to the street and park will contribute more positively to vitality on the ground for people. 

woah. I looked it up and youre right, they are all literally the exact same building. Don't look nearly as nice as the renderings, either. 

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Perhaps a Skyhouse could be built in another location. Maybe the lots north of the casino parking garage would be good for it? That might mess with some views to and from Mt. Adams though.


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22 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

Perhaps a Skyhouse could be built in another location. Maybe the lots north of the casino parking garage would be good for it? That might mess with some views to and from Mt. Adams though.

 

There is plenty of room to put these scale of buildings in the lots between Eggleston and Culvert/Broadway. 

 

I think blocking someone's view of the P&G HQ or 5/3rd's HQ stands less of a chance than blocking the view of the Ohio River (what the NIMBY's were upset about with SkyHouse) but you never know!


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38 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

Perhaps a Skyhouse could be built in another location. Maybe the lots north of the casino parking garage would be good for it? That might mess with some views to and from Mt. Adams though.

 

IIRC, former mayor Charlie Luken spoke in opposition to the SkyHouse proposal (at the now-Artistry site) because he said it would block the view for people living in Mt. Adams.

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About a decade ago there was a big push to protect hillside viewsheds in the city by the Hillside Trust. They even got some language inserted into the city's zoning code to protect certain areas along Columbia Parkway.

 

While much of their work goes towards hillside stabilization, preserving viewsheds at key overlooks and the Ohio River have been a priority for the group.

 

https://www.soapboxmedia.com/devnews/0602hillsidetrust.aspx

 

http://www.hillsidetrust.org/


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