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I checked out the Montgomery Inn site and it mentions it, but it basically just says what we already knew. I haven't heard any news, either, and I'm kind of interested myself.

 

P.S. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to move this to Projects & Construction.

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It would really be cool to have entertainment and retail options right on the Cincinnati riverfront. The Purple People Bridge already gets quite a bit of foot traffic on regular days with little more than a park (albeit a nice one) on the Cincinnati side.

 

I am worried about the impact it might have on Tower Place, though. However, the retailers in Tower Place are geared more towards the professional. It would be great to complement those with some unique retailers and restaurants at the Levee II site.

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This is an article on the building near Sawyer Point, it touches on the Montgomery Inn project.

 

 

On the fringe

Sawyer Point building attracts tenants to downtown's growing eastern edge

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By Greg Paeth

Post staff reporter

 

As office vacancies hover around 16 percent in Cincinnati's central business district, John Schenk has had some good luck leasing a building that's a 10-minute walk from the heart of downtown.

In the last 18 months, Schenk said he's leased more space in the Sawyer Point Building at Eggleston and Pete Rose Way - about 105,000 square feet -- than has been leased in any of the Class A office buildings downtown over the same time.

 

As is usually the case with real estate, location is critical.

 

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^ I agree. I would hate for a "Cincinnati on the Levee" type development compete with some possible ideas for The Banks. I think the Gregory family is very mindful of that.

 

It certainly would not be the destination that the Levee is, but I think it would compliment it nicely.

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The latest.....

 

From the September 3, 2004 print edition

Project could bring grocery to riverfront

Dan Monk

Courier Senior Staff Reporter

The Gregory family has selected Miller Valentine Group as lead developer for a riverfront complex that could include dozens of luxury condominiums and something downtown boosters have long coveted: a grocery store to serve a growing residential base in the city's urban core.

 

 

According to downtown real estate sources, Miller Valentine is negotiating a development contract with the Gregory family, which owns the Montgomery Inn restaurant chain and controls the riverfront site by virtue of a land swap approved by Cincinnati City Council last year.

 

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This sounds fine, but what the heck is a "fresh food" market?  They were planning to sell stale food someplace?

 

 

Project could bring grocery to riverfront

 

Dan Monk

Courier Senior Staff Reporter

 

The Gregory family has selected Miller Valentine Group as lead developer for a riverfront complex that could include dozens of luxury condominiums and something downtown boosters have long coveted: a grocery store to serve a growing residential base in the city's urban core.

 

 

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....a good place for a supermarket...a real supermarket...would be that open area thats between I-75 and the county jail, I think. I think this was going to be the location of the Reds stadium?

 

That would have enough area for parking & a real supermarket, like a big Kroger or Cub Foods or something similar. These mass market high volume supermarkets usually have lower prices, and this would be beneficial to the poorer folks who live in Over The Rhine.

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If you mean I-71, then you mean the "Broadway Commons" site where they were going to put the ballpark.

 

It would be a nice, large site--Kroger already has a small store in OTR that they just paid quite a bit to renovate. They'd probably want to shut that down before building a new one.

 

I couldn't think of another local grocery concern that would even look at building there, to be honest.

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Vine St. Kroger already offers low prices to OTR residents. The selection is not overwhelming, but they had two brands of Red Wine Vinegar so it's good enough for me.

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Living downtown and working downtown, I've definitely changed the way I do my grocery shopping. I generally go to Findley Market about every other weekend, stocking up on most major food items. I find that I make frequent trips to the corner CVS or Walgreen’s on my walk home from work or on weekends. Included are random trips to Silverglades, when open, and the new Queen City Beer & Wine since they stay open until 10:30 pm. Personally I don’t mind paying a bit more for the convenience. Now if I need a big grocery run or other items I get in the car and go to the Queen City Kroger (bigger selection) or even Target on Ridge if I need things like soap, toothpaste, etc and it is just another stop when doing errands.

 

They key here is that if I do need a lot of stuff that I know I cannot carry, I get in my car and drive. This includes Findley Market. (Someone downtown mentioned they walk there and take a cab back, which I’ve never done, but I thought it sounded like a good idea.) If there was a moderate to large grocer downtown, say over at the Montgomery development, I would still probably drive there versus driving to a store further out and that is a good thing. Would I prefer it be more central? Yes, so I could also walk there. Do I think it would do better if it were more central? Yes. But will I go there, driving my car the few blocks so I can lug the 64 oz. liquid Tide home.

 

One last note -- For those living in the suburbs, or say even Hyde Park for that matter, I’m sure the amount of people walking to those grocery stores is very small. It just isn’t practical. And it is not about walking there. It is just the convenience of having a close option that has a nice selection and that you enjoy going to. (Personally, I do not enjoy going to either the OTR or Clifton Kroger.)

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^What you describe in the first part of your post is how most urban dwellers I know do their shopping, especially those in places like NYC and Chicago. They make more frequent trips picking up what they need rather than one big walloping trip to stock up. Quite a few get their bulkier items (i.e. 64 oz. Tide) via an online service. That's one of the big differences between urban and suburban living - more frequent quick trips to the store vs. hauling the H2 to Costco. Having lived in both, I personally prefer the former.

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I agree BallHatGuy, I would try to shop at a new store downtown if it were something like a real supermarket. I usually drive out to Kroger's in Hyde Park Plaza once a week and get everything I need. I am just too lazy to shop in the "sophisticated" urban way going to places like Findlay Market and Court Street Market and all the other little shops and I am not brave enough to shop at Kroger's in Over-the-Rhine. There have been too many shootings in their parking lot for my taste.

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hat's one of the big differences between urban and suburban living - more frequent quick trips to the store vs. hauling the H2 to Costco.

 

Thats how I remember it in Chicago...plus those two-wheeled grocery carts you could use to carry stuff home.

 

Also, in Germany, that was the pattern too...frequent trips to neighborhood grocers, bakers, butchers, and weekend markets.

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Kroger denies talks for riverfront grocery

Dan Monk

Courier Senior Staff Reporter

Has Kroger Co. passed on yet another chance for a downtown grocery store?

 

  Developers working on a riverfront condo project at the site of the Montgomery Inn Banquet Center say they're hoping Kroger will bring a natural foods retail outlet to the project. Cincinnati Mayor Charlie Luken said he expects to meet with developers and Kroger this month to discuss a potential deal. One source even indicated a letter of intent has been signed.

 

But Kroger says "no."

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Kroger just really doesn't seem all that interested in a downtown grocery store.  I say open talks with Bigg's, IGA, or whoever. I'm sure that would spur Kroger to do something, if not, maybe a deal can be done with one of the other chains.

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Unfortunately, I doubt that any big chain would be any more interested in locating a store there than Kroger is.  Bigg's has nothing but huge suburban type stores as far as I know, likewise Meijer.  Maybe they could get Jungle Jim interested in doing some sort of smaller boutique-type store.  I think that one of the problems with this project from Kroger's point of view is the fact that they have an existing store just across the river in Bellevue, KY just behind the Party Source off I-471.  I go there quite often now since I discovered it.  It's only about 1 1/2 miles from my apt. as opposed to Kroger's Hyde Park where I also sometimes shop which is more like 3 or 4 miles.

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Any local private market style developers doing anything like this that would work.  I love the layout of Jewel Osco in Chicago.  A small store with options similar to Hyde Park (strong organics and wine) would be ideal.

Close that damn Bellevue store, it wouldn't be as hot as one downtown and they know it.

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Unfortunately, I doubt that any big chain would be any more interested in locating a store there than Kroger is. Bigg's has nothing but huge suburban type stores as far as I know, likewise Meijer. Maybe they could get Jungle Jim interested in doing some sort of smaller boutique-type store. I think that one of the problems with this project from Kroger's point of view is the fact that they have an existing store just across the river in Bellevue, KY just behind the Party Source off I-471. I go there quite often now since I discovered it. It's only about 1 1/2 miles from my apt. as opposed to Kroger's Hyde Park where I also sometimes shop which is more like 3 or 4 miles.

 

You have on in OTR on Vine, less than a mile...

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Yes, there is also the one of Vine St. which was recently renovated, though it is pretty small.  The one in Bellevue is more an average size Kroger, similar to the one at Kenwood Towne Center.  The one in Hyde Park is much larger.

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The one in Walnut Hills is just up Gilbert, and while it's nowhere near as nice as Hyde Park, it has the staples in a pleasant enough environment.  The produce isn't great, but it's big, lots of selection.

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