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Is there any real possibility that Public Square or the Weston lots would be in play for the new justice center?  Looking online, the only real discussion about that seems to be...here.

Even if SHW takes its talents to South Beach, I don't see this critical real estate going to the same folks we all met in Season 3 of Serial.

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19 minutes ago, KJP said:

Most "town squares" in Ohio have courthouses on them.

 

EDIT: so did Cleveland's Public Square for most of its history.

 

Ahhhh... back when government spent its money on beautiful buildings!

 

Maybe we could add the JC to the mall? Probably no room though

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36 minutes ago, KJP said:

Most "town squares" in Ohio have courthouses on them.

 

EDIT: so did Cleveland's Public Square for most of its history.

isn’t there currently a US courthouse on Public Square?

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2 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

isn’t there currently a US courthouse on Public Square?

 

Yeah - Metzenbaum is a federal bankruptcy court

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4 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

isn’t there currently a US courthouse on Public Square?

There sure is.  It houses the bankruptcy court.  The tower has U.S. District Court.

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On 10/23/2019 at 5:38 PM, KJP said:

 

Nah, it's just my thinking in relation to trying to work something out with the county.

 

Now....a tease would be me saying that two companies are moving their HQs downtown, bringing 900 jobs now and growing to 1,800+ in a few years. THAT would be a tease. 😉

Can we get a seeds and sprouts 🙏

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1 hour ago, Sapper Daddy said:

Can we get a seeds and sprouts 🙏

 

I'm trying to get info for both topics (JC/SHW on Jacobs/Weston and an article about the two companies' HQs). The latter is more likely than the former, but is still probably a week away -- unless another media outlet beats me to it.

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

Most "town squares" in Ohio have courthouses on them.

 

EDIT: so did Cleveland's Public Square for most of its history.

Are we referring to towns or cities? If that's the look the city and county wants, then place it within the Burnham Group's Plan.

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On 10/25/2019 at 2:03 PM, KJP said:

Most "town squares" in Ohio have courthouses on them.

 

EDIT: so did Cleveland's Public Square for most of its history.

It still does. The Federal Bankruptcy Court is on Public Square. The name itself implies that its the location of public oriented uses. 

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On 10/25/2019 at 4:37 PM, KJP said:

 

I'm trying to get info for both topics (JC/SHW on Jacobs/Weston and an article about the two companies' HQs). The latter is more likely than the former, but is still probably a week away -- unless another media outlet beats me to it.

@KJP - If SHW or JC is being built at the Jacobs site, why did the city just replace the sidewalks this summer and they just repaved the Jacobs parking lot?

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Just now, nayrmot said:

@KJP - If SHW or JC is being built at the Jacobs site, why did the city just replace the sidewalks this summer and they just repaved the Jacobs parking lot?

 

If Prospect Avenue's sewers needed repairs this summer/fall, why didn't they repair them before they repaved the street two years ago?

 

If the Lumen was going to be built on that parking lot on Euclid Avenue, why was the lot resurfaced and restriped while planning for the Lumen was progressing?

 

You're either giving our institutions way too much credit, or not recognizing that they run an inertia/routines until they are told not to. And since no decision has been finalized on where to building the JC or SHW HQ, life goes on. The inertia/routines go on.

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53 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

If Prospect Avenue's sewers needed repairs this summer/fall, why didn't they repair them before they repaved the street two years ago?

 

If the Lumen was going to be built on that parking lot on Euclid Avenue, why was the lot resurfaced and restriped while planning for the Lumen was progressing?

 

You're either giving our institutions way too much credit, or not recognizing that they run an inertia/routines until they are told not to. And since no decision has been finalized on where to building the JC or SHW HQ, life goes on. The inertia/routines go on.

@KJP - Fair enough.  Just found it odd they finally put money into a location that is under so many rumors lately.  Thanks for the reply.

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23 minutes ago, simplythis said:

 

Very sad. He won't get a chance to see the new HQ built. Breen would have been very proud since he built the foundation for it.

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1 hour ago, tastybunns said:

Ever seen the movie "MouseTrap"?

You're referring to Mouse Hunt, surely?


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  for our visions of paradise."
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We're getting real close, folks....

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7 hours ago, KJP said:

We're getting real close, folks....


Anyone else not sleep and just refresh UO every 30 minutes for the last 7 hours—or was that just me?

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On 10/25/2019 at 10:35 AM, Htsguy said:

Why don't we all ignore him so this thread doesn't take another inevitable off topic downward spiral courtesy  of our friends in Columbus and Cincinnati so the thread is not locked again.

C"mon now...don't lump us all together like this-if a few posters from out of the area are trolling then call them out please instead of bringing entire cities into this...thanks. Most of us(Cinci and Cbus people) are rooting for Cleveland here-only fools would not.

 

And I really hope that this is built in downtown Cleveland and does NOT go to a Charlotte or Atlanta-keep Ohio Businesses in Ohio!

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19 hours ago, X said:

It's all just rumors till the construction equipment sets up.

yep that's right GIF by SoulPancake

 

I'm generally not a Debbie Downer but I this feels like BP all over again.  

 

I'm generally a positive person about local developments, but until I read that a site has been selected, they secure the construction area with barriers, and bulldozers and cranes go up, I wont believe the HQ is staying in Cleveland.  

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I hope this will make you feel a little bit better. Buckle-up...we're coming in for a landing....

 

SHW-Bedrock-Breen-site2.jpg

 

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2019

Sherwin-Williams HQ+R&D is down to two sites; decision due soon

 

A source close to ongoing property negotiations said Sherwin-Williams could decide in "the next week or so" between two downtown Cleveland sites for its new global headquarters plus research and development facility.

Officially, SHW has held steady to its official statement that it will announce its HQ+R&D site decision by the "end of this year or early 2020."

However, the source said SHW's decision is now down to two sites and may be leaning toward one of them:

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/10/sherwin-williams-hqr-is-down-to-two.html

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Great reporting!!!  I still wish it was going to be Public Square. If this doesn’t go there I don’t trust the county/city enough to get anything done there and worry how long we’ll have a parking crater continue to haunt us. 
 

HOWEVER ... if it’s Bedrock this is in no way bad news. Tower City would finally be completed and it would lead to so much other development- the CityBlock vision could actually come to be, sounds like the Renaissance might expand into the parking lot next door... lots of good would come if this. 

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Just now, Clevecane said:

Well... there goes my plan to create the “National Environmental Movement Museum” in that space...

 

And so much for the casino Phase 2 (be continued...) 😉

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I guess I am happy to hear this but I have been rooting for the Jacobs lot.  I have very little confidence in the county moving at all quickly on Justice Center replacement ($$ being the nut).  This was the greatest opportunity to get rid of those parking craters in years and I am not optimistic that they will go away anytime soon if they are passed over now.  And let me say for the 134th time  I HATE THAT JACOBS PARKING LOT

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@KJP can you elaborate what you meant in the other thread (random development) when you said SHW would have 1500 jobs now and up to 2800 in the future. Where are these jobs coming from initially and where will they come from in the future? I thought immediately there was going to be 6k meaning 2.7 would be new (about 1.1 from within the region but not downtown).

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I remain optimistic that a County/Private partnership will materialize to get the new Justice Center built, as they did with the County HQ.   At least the design might have a chance of being tolerable for the next 50 years! 

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6 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

I guess I am happy to hear this but I have been rooting for the Jacobs lot.  I have very little confidence in the county moving at all quickly on Justice Center replacement ($$ being the nut).  This was the greatest opportunity to get rid of those parking craters in years and I am not optimistic that they will go away anytime soon if they are passed over now.  And let me say for the 134th time  I HATE THAT JACOBS PARKING LOT

 

I also hate the Jacobs / Weston parking crater. That said, the lack of development along the river is also an embarrassment and this HQ would be an incredible jumpstart. The old industrial areas along the river are begging to be developed - this project could finally spur that progress. 

 

Please preserve the rail RoW so that the CVSR can get to the old B&O station!

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Okay I have been thinking about this and I have a hunch.   SW got the great idea to secretly recruit KJP (of course paying him tons of money) to plant this news in his blog so they have leverage with Jacobs/Weston as negotiations for the PS lot come down to the wire.   Brilliant. 😉

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4 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

@KJP can you elaborate what you meant in the other thread (random development) when you said SHW would have 1500 jobs now and up to 2800 in the future. Where are these jobs coming from initially and where will they come from in the future? I thought immediately there was going to be 6k meaning 2.7 would be new (about 1.1 from within the region but not downtown).

 

IIRC, there's about 3,300 SHW employees downtown, with just under 3,000 in the Landmark/Skylight office buildings and just over 300 in Breen. Then, there's another 1,100 elsewhere in Greater Cleveland that could move to the new HQ+R&D. Then, there's another 1,600 employees that would be added through relocation and anticipated growth. A few hundred relocations would come mostly from Minneapolis but also from a few other cities around the USA. I expect that more than 1,000 employees would fall into the future growth category and may not be realized for years.

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I feel like the view is already impressive coming in from the West on 2, if it's built on the river this would only add to that sense of density. I'd bet this would also give a spark to the 'Thunderbird' development as well.

 

My preference (and I feel most UO folks feel this way) is for something on PS, but as long as there's some near term action with the surface parking (courts tower, etc.), then it could be a pretty positive outcome - I wonder if the county would still build if the economy takes an inevitable dive?

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2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Okay I have been thinking about this and I have a hunch.   SW got the great idea to secretly recruit KJP (of course paying him tons of money) to plant this news in his blog so they have leverage with Jacobs/Weston as negotiations for the PS lot come down to the wire.   Brilliant. 😉

 

Now why didn't I think of that!! I could make them an offer they couldn't refuse.

 

I still prefer the Jacobs/Weston site too, so I hope that my source who says the riverfront site has the edge is wrong. But I'd still be OK with the riverfront site. As much as we talk about needing to have a softened, publicly accessible edge to the downtown lakefront, we need the same for the part of the Cuyahoga River that comes closest to the heart of downtown.

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The more I think about it, I feel like this is excellent. This would totally set gasoline to the fire of riverfront development. It would be INSANE. Watch how many developments sprout up around there if this happens. And if the JC gets built on the Jacobs lot, that crater is gone too. It’s a win win win for everyone as long as the county doesn’t wet the bed. And from the Hilton development and the County HQ development, I have more faith today that they could pull this off in a timely fashion than I would have a few years ago

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I'm going to be unlike myself, and be a debbie here, but choosing the bedrock site is instantly losing about 4 stories in height from the PS site (site grades).  But miniscule issue in comparison to them moving out of town, LOL.  

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