LlamaLawyer 134 Report post Posted October 15 58 minutes ago, KJP said: Courthouse Tower, but yes, next-level stupid. Neither the courthouse tower or the law firms that want the courthouse built within a few blocks of Public Square are at any risk of leaving Cleveland. Public square is not even a very convenient place for the Justice Center. Remember that the domestic relations court, the appeals court, and the retired judges are all in the Old Courthouse. Having to suddenly walk from the Justice Center to the Old Courthouse is a pretty common occurrence. The new Justice Center should be as close to the old Courthouse as possible. Public square to the Old Courthouse may not be "that" far, but in mid-January with five boxes of trial exhibits it sure is. There are some lots pretty close to the Old Courthouse that are still empty. SHW on the other hand is the perfect use for the Jacobs lot. I'm happy they're not leaving downtown, but if they end up anywhere other than the Jacobs lot because of what the city did, that's a loss in my opinion. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mendo 446 Report post Posted October 15 It's possible the county was looking to build on Public Square, but that's not the same as "blocking" Sherwin Williams. That's just conjecture. The Jacobs and Weston lots are privately owned. They can build for whomever they want. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArtMasterCLE 68 Report post Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, Mendo said: It's possible the county was looking to build on Public Square, but that's not the same as "blocking" Sherwin Williams. That's just conjecture. The Jacobs and Weston lots are privately owned. They can build for whomever they want. I totally agree. I can't imagine the city, or county standing in the way of SHW building where ever they want. Even if there were preliminary plans to build a courthouse tower on public square, they would step aside in favor of the far more appropriate SHW Headquarters in this high profile location. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NR 106 Report post Posted October 15 I agree with the UO sentiment that there are plenty of lots to build the Courthouse Tower(CT) on in the CBD. The quick sketch below are my thoughts. As stated earlier; SHW gets the Jacobs and neighboring Weston lot, then the Courthouse Tower has three close options. Depending on the size of the CT I think ideas 1&2 are perfect(if large, use #1 - if small, use #2), it makes sense as they're the closest to the current site. Worst case, they can go with #3 -- I'm sure there are plenty of other options, but these are just the close parking craters. 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrnyc 406 Report post Posted October 15 build it in the flats. make the lawyers walk up and down into town. sweaty lawyers! cle will have the fittest lawyers in the world lol. 4 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mu2010 146 Report post Posted October 15 (edited) Here's a novel idea... Figure out a way to reconfigure things so you can build it on the current justice center site!! Maybe a temporary jail somewhere else, tear down the jail, new tower on the jail site. Also Cleveland police are likely moving out so that'd open up room as well. Anyways that's probably for a justice center thread. Edited October 15 by mu2010 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ArtMasterCLE 68 Report post Posted October 15 mu2010, this may be the wrong thread, but that's certainly not a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mu2010 146 Report post Posted October 15 (edited) I find that institutions often don't want to put up with the hassle of temporary relocations (which is understandable) so they end up building replacement locations on less than ideal sites. The original site is usually the best site. You see this all the time on college campuses and with K12 school districts, where the new fancy high school or engineering building is in a worse location than the original. The ideal site for a replacement justice center is the current justice center site, which is of course why they put it there in the first place. Edited October 15 by mu2010 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BJBaes 60 Report post Posted October 15 I understand the concerns about the height of the potential skyscraper but anything/everything cosmetic comes second to the fact that we just retained a massive corporation and will likely be pulling talent (and residents) into Cleveland proper from other surrounding cities and states (a la relocation). It's the first time in my life (that I can recall) where a major organization is actually going to move people back into the city. What a huge positive. The downtown (and surrounding area) occupancy is going to drastically increase solely because of this decision. Even if the new building is a gigantic, inflatable bouncy house, the city of Cleveland just won BIG. 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Florida Guy 97 Report post Posted October 15 Paint Giant Sherwin Williams Eyeing Atlanta For HQ Relocation Atlanta Office October 15, 2019 Jarred Schenke, Bisnow Atlanta Atlanta is in the running to lure the headquarters of a global Fortune 500 company. Cleveland-based Sherwin Williams has eyed Atlanta as a possible relocation destination for its headquarters and research and development operations, a source familiar with the search tells Bisnow. It is a move that could potentially add up to 2,000 new jobs to the metro area. “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt. Sherwin Williams officials were in the Metro Atlanta area earlier this year scouting sites, a source said, but it is unclear where their search took them.https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/paint-giant-sherwin-williams-eyeing-atlanta-for-hq-relocation-101291 1 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inlovewithCLE 335 Report post Posted October 15 1 minute ago, Florida Guy said: Paint Giant Sherwin Williams Eyeing Atlanta For HQ Relocation Atlanta Office October 15, 2019 Jarred Schenke, Bisnow Atlanta Atlanta is in the running to lure the headquarters of a global Fortune 500 company. Cleveland-based Sherwin Williams has eyed Atlanta as a possible relocation destination for its headquarters and research and development operations, a source familiar with the search tells Bisnow. It is a move that could potentially add up to 2,000 new jobs to the metro area. “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt. Sherwin Williams officials were in the Metro Atlanta area earlier this year scouting sites, a source said, but it is unclear where their search took them.https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/paint-giant-sherwin-williams-eyeing-atlanta-for-hq-relocation-101291 I’m not clicking on that and giving them traffic, but it seems like they didn’t even mention SHW staying in Cleveland as a possibility when it’s the most likely option 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CLE_Millennial 264 Report post Posted October 15 "Although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt." ... Okay so they know nothing lol. Maybe Sherwin was considering other cities in the past, but I think it's pretty obvious the most likely choice is Cleveland. This article is click-bait. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WindyBuckeye 286 Report post Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, Florida Guy said: Paint Giant Sherwin Williams Eyeing Atlanta For HQ Relocation Atlanta Office October 15, 2019 Jarred Schenke, Bisnow Atlanta Atlanta is in the running to lure the headquarters of a global Fortune 500 company. Cleveland-based Sherwin Williams has eyed Atlanta as a possible relocation destination for its headquarters and research and development operations, a source familiar with the search tells Bisnow. It is a move that could potentially add up to 2,000 new jobs to the metro area. “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt. Sherwin Williams officials were in the Metro Atlanta area earlier this year scouting sites, a source said, but it is unclear where their search took them.https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/paint-giant-sherwin-williams-eyeing-atlanta-for-hq-relocation-101291 Click bait central wow. Useless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
troeros 112 Report post Posted October 15 5 minutes ago, Florida Guy said: Paint Giant Sherwin Williams Eyeing Atlanta For HQ Relocation Atlanta Office October 15, 2019 Jarred Schenke, Bisnow Atlanta Atlanta is in the running to lure the headquarters of a global Fortune 500 company. Cleveland-based Sherwin Williams has eyed Atlanta as a possible relocation destination for its headquarters and research and development operations, a source familiar with the search tells Bisnow. It is a move that could potentially add up to 2,000 new jobs to the metro area. “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt. Sherwin Williams officials were in the Metro Atlanta area earlier this year scouting sites, a source said, but it is unclear where their search took them.https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/paint-giant-sherwin-williams-eyeing-atlanta-for-hq-relocation-101291 God bless KJP but this is why insider sources and information should be kept as such. This is obviously a very involved processed with alot of parties involved and would be foolish to think that KJP can obtain all the information out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyrokai 136 Report post Posted October 15 Glad to hear that's clickbait. My god I'm so sick of hearing "Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte". Throw in Austin as well. Like....let's find some new places to put things in America, thanks. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WindyBuckeye 286 Report post Posted October 15 Just now, Zyrokai said: Glad to hear that's clickbait. My god I'm so sick of hearing "Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte". Throw in Austin as well. Like....let's find some new places to put things in America, thanks. Seriously. Their air service may be better but Dallas and Atlanta are terrible urban places. Suburban sprawl times 1000 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B767PILOT 179 Report post Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, troeros said: God bless KJP but this is why insider sources and information should be kept as such. This is obviously a very involved processed with alot of parties involved and would be foolish to think that KJP can obtain all the information out there. Lol...the article says nothing. It is merely conjecture on the part of people who have no real connection. Company officials may well have been in Atlanta earlier but the article says nothing about who or why. Dont forget that there were a number of cities under consuderation for Amazon HQ2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Florida Guy 97 Report post Posted October 15 Don't shoot the messenger (Atlanta post)! Congratulations KJP you are getting some well deserved recognition! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B767PILOT 179 Report post Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: Glad to hear that's clickbait. My god I'm so sick of hearing "Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte". Throw in Austin as well. Like....let's find some new places to put things in America, thanks. Yes. ..i was just in Austin for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Cant figure out what all of the fuss is about 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B767PILOT 179 Report post Posted October 15 12 minutes ago, troeros said: God bless KJP but this is why insider sources and information should be kept as such. This is obviously a very involved processed with alot of parties involved and would be foolish to think that KJP can obtain all the information out there. Oh, i just sawcwhy company officuals were in Atlanta. Their Southeast Division is located there 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cle_guy90 131 Report post Posted October 15 Okay so we have two options. 1) We can believe KJP who has given an insane amount of details on who's involved, where it's happening, when things went out/the dates of the process, and what's been going on behind the scenes. He has been ahead of every mainstream news source on this issue time and time again. 2) We can worry about this article that contains little specific details, things we've heard before, and speculative quotes like "I think they feel very constrained in Cleveland. It's a very tight labor market. I just think it's time for a change. And this is a company that really has prioritized international sales." I'm not worried. 8 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaxtonMarley 68 Report post Posted October 15 (edited) 5 hours ago, Florida Guy said: Paint Giant Sherwin Williams Eyeing Atlanta For HQ Relocation Atlanta Office October 15, 2019 Jarred Schenke, Bisnow Atlanta Atlanta is in the running to lure the headquarters of a global Fortune 500 company. Cleveland-based Sherwin Williams has eyed Atlanta as a possible relocation destination for its headquarters and research and development operations, a source familiar with the search tells Bisnow. It is a move that could potentially add up to 2,000 new jobs to the metro area. “I think the early favorites here, based on everything I heard, is Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte,” The Boyd Co. principal John Boyd said. Boyd is a noted site selection consultant for private companies, although he is not working directly with Sherwin Williams in its hunt. Sherwin Williams officials were in the Metro Atlanta area earlier this year scouting sites, a source said, but it is unclear where their search took them.https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/office/paint-giant-sherwin-williams-eyeing-atlanta-for-hq-relocation-101291 I don't know what a "Boyd Co" is, but "Atlanta, Dallas and Charlotte" is such a throw away sentence. Sort of like saying the Patriots are gonna make the playoffs. Tell people something original or don't even bother. Edited October 15 by PaxtonMarley 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewtoCLE 100 Report post Posted October 15 (edited) ugh totally agree so tired of lazy, click-bait journalism like this that seems to serve no purpose other than to feed into the 'sound-bite industrial complex' that some reporters covet. KJP knows the deal. John Boyd is not involved in this process and he does nothing here but offer up tired, macro-level analysis that any reasonably informed man-on-the-street might say when discussing "Cleveland." This is the kind of thing you hear at a hotel bar or while waiting to board a flight and that might pass for thoughtful or informed business talk. No - they're the vanilla musings of a BS artist who enjoys seeing his name in print. Yes, we get it. Cleveland is no longer a commercial hub for aviation and yes, Cleveland does not have the relative proximity to X schools relevant to chemical sciences as compared to X, Y, and Z. Gee whiz, it's so crazy that all these legacy Fortune 1000 companies located in Ohio are so profitable and doing so well despite their geography of *not* being in the inherently better cities of Austin, Charlotte, Atlanta, or Dallas (sarcasm) Edited October 15 by NewtoCLE 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enginerd 324 Report post Posted October 15 I just read the Crains “SHW wants better air service” article, and this same hack is quoted saying basically the same thing with no basis behind them. Sounds like he enjoys his name in the press. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfohio 475 Report post Posted October 15 What percentage of SW employees even need to travel extensively? The higher ups already have Burke. And seriously, if Atlanta was marking a play someone, somewhere would have heard something about incentives. Crickets. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frmr CLEder 739 Report post Posted October 15 (edited) Don't get twisted! This is old reporting. If the reporter had done their homework, they would have learned what the current status of the project is. Edited October 15 by Frmr CLEder 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tykaps 409 Report post Posted October 15 https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/10/15/report-sherwin-williams-will-build-massive-new-headquarters-in-downtown-cleveland-four-sites-under-consideration?media=AMP+HTML "Ace development blogger Ken Prendergrast, who's about as plugged in as anyone on the Sherwin-Williams HQ front..." Clevescene seems to think pretty highly of you, @KJP 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJP 7,730 Report post Posted October 15 Glad to see they're receiving the checks.... 3 6 Quote "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frmr CLEder 739 Report post Posted October 15 As always, great reporting Ken. Thanks for alleviating our anxieties. Hopefully Morikis won't come banging on your door. Lol. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
X 894 Report post Posted October 16 I'm getting pretty damned tired of locking and cleaning up this thread. Think before you post. 19 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PAZUZU 23 Report post Posted October 17 https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/poor-air-service-hobbles-sherwin-williams-hq-bid?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=crain's cleveland business&utm_content=73638d61-cd59-4051-862f-049b16eeb33c. Mike Conway, Sherwin-Williams spokesman, wrote in an email that the private jets are available to "Sherwin associates who are connecting with customers to serve their needs." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boaty McBoatface 60 Report post Posted October 18 Welp. The Crain’s article, as well as the “bisnow” article are beginning to pick up steam. My dad just sent me a worried text this morning because WKSU was reporting that Sherwin-Williams was looking to relocate because of Cleveland’s “terrible” infrastructure . Looks like the goal of clicks, as well as the fear of an entire metro area has been achieved. Sorry to post this here, just figured I’d keep everyone informed as far as what the boomers are hearing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Htsguy 655 Report post Posted October 18 6 minutes ago, Boaty McBoatface said: Welp. The Crain’s article, as well as the “bisnow” article are beginning to pick up steam. My dad just sent me a worried text this morning because WKSU was reporting that Sherwin-Williams was looking to relocate because of Cleveland’s “terrible” infrastructure . Looks like the goal of clicks, as well as the fear of an entire metro area has been achieved. Sorry to post this here, just figured I’d keep everyone informed as far as what the boomers are hearing. I was going to reply to this at length but I truly don't even have the energy anymore. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyrokai 136 Report post Posted October 18 Wait......I'm so confused. As someone who's only been passively following this, I have a question: Is Sherwin-Williams leaving Cleveland or not? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Htsguy 655 Report post Posted October 18 3 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: Wait......I'm so confused. As someone who's only been passively following this, I have a question: Is Sherwin-Williams leaving Cleveland or not? Yes they are definitely moving. The announcement will be made later today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyrokai 136 Report post Posted October 18 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Yes they are definitely moving. The announcement will be made later today. So just to make sure I'm not interpreting this as a tounge-in-cheek answer: They are moving OUT of Cleveland? Not moving WITHIN Cleveland? Edited October 18 by Zyrokai Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CLE_Millennial 264 Report post Posted October 18 6 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Yes they are definitely moving. The announcement will be made later today. Where are you getting this info? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YO to the CLE 173 Report post Posted October 18 ^^No they are not moving out of CLE. I am pretty sure he's being sarcastic. They are definitely moving out of Landmark Office building to one of four downtown Cleveland locations as reported by Ken. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zyrokai 136 Report post Posted October 18 ^^^OK, I thought so. I was just making sure I interpreted his sarcasm correctly. The internet isn't good for such things such as that, lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boaty McBoatface 60 Report post Posted October 18 Sorry to get this off-topic again. I’m pretty sure Htsguy is just messing with you. All signs point to SHW staying in Cleveland, but our local media is such a slut for doom and gloom that even after it is (fairly) official that they are staying put, the only articles or stories that make any headway are the ones that make it seem like they are definitely moving to a much better city. Obviously. I mean who would choose Cleveland when you can move to (insert sunbelt city, or Austin) and have a much better and more fulfilling existence? Let’s just calm down a bit and wait until an official announcement from the company themselves. Sorry again everyone. Didn’t mean to turn this back into a conjecture and fear mongering thread. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
