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This is gonna do wonders for the housing market, and businesses in general, not just in downtown, but OC, Hingetown, and Detroit-Shoreway. 2500 new employees being placed into the core of the city.  What a morale boost this’ll be!

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44 minutes ago, tykaps said:

I still wish we had a more professional, formalized news site about Cleveland development the way that Curbed is for other cities.

Dreams aside, Ken you never fail to amaze me with what you do.

 

Thanks. I'm impressed with your contributions here. You seem pretty plugged in.

 

34 minutes ago, flee2thecleve14 said:

Glad I found the equivalent of Curbed Cleveland through this forum - well done! I hope the city/county aren't insistent on the Justice Center replacement being on the Weston lots as it would be more devoid of street life relative to a corporate HQ, right?

 

The Jacobs/Weston site is easily the best one for the SHW HQ. But the Bedrock site is a close second because of what Bedrock has envisioned to the east of it. We've seen that massing and it's pretty impressive, IMHO. So there can be some pretty impressive spinoff developments from either site. I've heard that SHW really wanted the Jacobs/Weston site, but when the city/county (under pressure from their law office constituents who want the courthouse tower near to Public Square) pushed for the new Justice Center to be on the Jacobs/Weston area, SHW apparently was pissed -- so much so they threatened to leave downtown. But other civic leaders stepped in and apparently smoothed things over.

 

19 minutes ago, punch said:

How many employees does SW have in downtown currently?

 

Latest figure I'd heard was 3,300.

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Thank you for the great article, KJP.

Your articles are always much more fact-based and informative than those offered by Cleveland's mainstream media, who always tend to skew their reporting toward the negative. Again, thank you for reporting real information gathered from knowledgeable sources rather than falling prey to negative sensationalism that drives most of the mainstream media in this region.

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What's pretty cool is that some pretty connected people on social media are sharing it. It includes some real estate developers, former PD reporters, former communications directors for Mayor White and Governor Voinovich, Greater Cleveland Partnership staff, and others.

 

About a month ago I had an article surpass 1,000 views in the first 24 hours. It was the fastest that one of my articles got to 1,000. I posted today's SHW article at 7:15 a.m. Just a few minutes ago, it surpassed 1,600 views. Not bad for 4.5 hours. 😮

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KJP;    Is the Bedrock river site  the same spot whereas the Jack Casino Phase 2 would go if it was

to be ever built    OR is it next to it closer to the Breen Technology center.

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Just now, simplythis said:

KJP;    Is the Bedrock river site  the same spot whereas the Jack Casino Phase 2 would go if it was

to be ever built    OR is it next to it closer to the Breen Technology center.

 

Closer to Breen. It would be west of Tower City's Riverview entrance. East of the Riverview entrance, and instead of the casino phase 2, Bedrock is considering this for future phases of Tower City-area development (the SHW HQ+R&D would be to the left of and behind this image)....

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“Pretty cool little article” to say the least Ken! Congrats on a superb bit of journalism. Congrats to Cleveland for one of the most important “gets” in decades!  And though our dreams of a”Supertall” have effectively ended, a 40 story state of the art tower could still be as high as 200 Public Square - and, with the unique design we’re hearing about, join our big 3 in terms of impact. 

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4 minutes ago, KJP said:

What's pretty cool is that some pretty connected people on social media are sharing it. It includes some real estate developers, former PD reporters, former communications directors for Mayor White and Governor Voinovich, Greater Cleveland Partnership staff, and others.

 

About a month ago I had an article surpass 1,000 views in the first 24 hours. It was the fastest that one of my articles got to 1,000. I posted today's SHW article at 7:15 a.m. Just a few minutes ago, it surpassed 1,600 views. Not bad for 4.5 hours. 😮

I am not surprised. Truly informed people are always looking for real information, not sensationalized entertainment when the subject is as important as retaining a major global company, along with the economic and community impact that retention- or loss implies.

I have family and friends at SHW who will be very interested in your article. 1600 views will be a distant memory before the end of the day.

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600 - 800 feet for the tallest tower.

 

Do the CITIZENS of Cleveland, not the city's attorneys, really want the new Justice Center on PS?

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49 minutes ago, KJP said:

What's pretty cool is that some pretty connected people on social media are sharing it. It includes some real estate developers, former PD reporters, former communications directors for Mayor White and Governor Voinovich, Greater Cleveland Partnership staff, and others.

 

About a month ago I had an article surpass 1,000 views in the first 24 hours. It was the fastest that one of my articles got to 1,000. I posted today's SHW article at 7:15 a.m. Just a few minutes ago, it surpassed 1,600 views. Not bad for 4.5 hours. 😮

 

I 100% support this humble brag

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25 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

600 - 800 feet for the tallest tower.

 

Do the CITIZENS of Cleveland, not the city's attorneys, really want the new Justice Center on PS?

It needs to be in the CBD but the whole PS thing is new. It doesn’t HAVE to be there, I don’t think

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35 minutes ago, Dougal said:

Would the Bedrock site mean tearing down the old B&O Station?

 

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4 hours ago, KJP said:

I added a paragraph about the date that SHW made its HQ announcement and the deadline when Welty wanted HQ+R&D proposals submitted. The window was only 2 weeks, although it may have been longer (but not much longer) for unsolicited proposals. The solicited proposals were requested in August. Either way, if you were a developer/property owner from outside NE Ohio and didn't know SHW was looking for a new HQ, you didn't have much time to respond.

 

Great reporting Ken - will be curious to know whether any requirements in the R&D RFP around electric/utility reliability suggest possible dovetails with the upcoming RFP for building a microgrid in downtown Cleveland. Surely, with $1 billion investment, the SHW team has to be considering this?

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3 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

I 100% support this humble brag

 

My blog blew past 4,000 views of this story in the past hour. Now they want my balding, flu-infested mug on WKYC tonight.

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4 hours ago, simplythis said:

KJP;    Is the Bedrock river site  the same spot whereas the Jack Casino Phase 2 would go if it was

to be ever built    OR is it next to it closer to the Breen Technology center.

 

Bedrock could work for R&D, but in the event of an incident I have concerns about it being immediately  upwind of Jacobs and Gund during some of the summer months.

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9 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

My blog blew past 4,000 views of this story in the past hour. Now they want my balding, flu-infested mug on WKYC tonight.

 

WOAHHHHHH LOOK OUT KARDASHIANS, KENNY SCOOPS IS HERE

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19 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

My blog blew past 4,000 views of this story in the past hour. Now they want my balding, flu-infested mug on WKYC tonight.

WKYC oughta put you on their payroll at this point.

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Everyone is focusing on the 40 story bit, but wasn't that only with respect to the Bedrock location?  I believe a building with similar square footage on the Jacobs lot would be much taller because the floor plates would likely be smaller.

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KJP, is that 1,600 new to the region jobs confirmed.  If so, that'll be big for the region.  Consolidation of NEO offices will be huge for Downtown.  

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43 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Bedrock could work for R&D, but in the event of an incident I have concerns about it being immediately  upwind of Jacobs and Gund during some of the summer months.

You do realize that Breen is right next to Progressive field and Rocket Mortgage,, right?

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47 minutes ago, jam40jeff said:

Everyone is focusing on the 40 story bit, but wasn't that only with respect to the Bedrock location?  I believe a building with similar square footage on the Jacobs lot would be much taller because the floor plates would likely be smaller.

 

That's the $1 billion question. But it's not just the Jacobs lot. It's also the Weston lots. Weston's now-dead proposal for its properties had 3 million square feet of development on them, and the tallest building they proposed was 37 stories.

 

17 minutes ago, freefourur said:

KJP, is that 1,600 new to the region jobs confirmed.  If so, that'll be big for the region.  Consolidation of NEO offices will be huge for Downtown.  

 

The 6,000 jobs is confirmed. That's the figure I've been told from several sources is what the HQ+R&D would be designed to accommodate. So subtract the 3,300 existing jobs downtown. And subtract up to 1,100 existing SHW office and research jobs in NE Ohio. Some of the research jobs will not move to the new R&D facilities -- especially those at SHW Automotive in Warrensville Hts. That leaves 1,600 jobs which is likely comprised of a few hundred jobs in R&D at the Valspar division in Minneapolis, as well as new jobs which are expected to materialize in the coming years. 

 

Consider that 1.8 million square feet divided by 6,000 employees is 300 square feet per employee. That's a lot -- except when taking the R&D into consideration. SHW has 320 workers at Breen which measures 140,000 sf. That's 438 sf per R&D employee -- and the Breen employees are complaining about a lack of space. So the R&D space requirements are bumping up the sf/employee numbers. Subtract those out to get about 5,300 HQ employees in about 1.4 million sf and the ratio drops to 264 sf / employee. Still high, but not if there's some on-site retail/restaurants, a training center, workout rooms, etc.

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14 minutes ago, KJP said:

That's the $1 billion question. But it's not just the Jacobs lot. It's also the Weston lots. Weston's now-dead proposal for its properties had 3 million square feet of development on them, and the tallest building they proposed was 37 stories.

 

Ah, OK.  I was thinking that the Jacobs lot would house an HQ tower, and the Weston lots would hold multiple R&D buildings, but now I see that the article never mentioned it and I was just making an assumption.

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1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

Bedrock could work for R&D, but in the event of an incident I have concerns about it being immediately  upwind of Jacobs and Gund during some of the summer months.

 

The smell couldn't be worse than the stank emanating from the court during Cavs games this year!

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1 minute ago, troeros said:

@KJP So just to be clear, other bidding states are of out the SW HQ race? Is this correct?

 

They were never in it.

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1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

They were never in it.

It was a ploy to maximize incentives.  But you can't blame local and state government for providing them

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4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

They were never in it.

 

Interesting, because I could've sworn your previous report (or maybe some other journalist reported?) Stated that SW was also looking at sites out of state as well?

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5 minutes ago, freefourur said:

It was a ploy to maximize incentives.  But you can't blame local and state government for providing them

 

If I had heard about Morikis' new house in Bay Village six months ago, I wonder if the local/state politicians would have called SHW's bluff? 

 

1 minute ago, troeros said:

 

Interesting, because I could've sworn your previous report (or maybe some other journalist reported?) Stated that SW was also looking at sites out of state as well?

 

It was in SHW's September 12 announcement. As @freefourur noted, it was a ploy.

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

My blog blew past 4,000 views of this story in the past hour. Now they want my balding, flu-infested mug on WKYC tonight.

Let us know if you are going on channel 3 tonite - so that we can watch it.

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5 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Interesting, because I could've sworn your previous report (or maybe some other journalist reported?) Stated that SW was also looking at sites out of state as well?

The looking at other states was one of the most obvious smokescreens out there. I think KJP effectively threw cold water on that weeks ago

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Just now, simplythis said:

Let us know if you are going on channel 3 tonite - so that we can watch it.

 

They said it would air at 11 pm. 

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6 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

If I had heard about Morikis' new house in Bay Village six months ago, I wonder if the local/state politicians would have called SHW's bluff? 

 

 

It was in SHW's September 12 announcement. As @freefourur noted, it was a ploy.

I doubt that they would've called the bluff. No one wants to be blamed for losing SW.

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