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My understanding....

 

1. Jacobs/Weston

2. Bedrock riverfront (not what was in the Cityblock massing)

3. Lakefront (don't have it nailed down better)

4. Flats South

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If they aren't going to build a supertall on the Jacob's lot, but would rather have a "campus-like" atmosphere, then #2, 3, or 4 seem to make a lot more sense than #1.  I would like to see that sort of development at site #2, myself.  But I'd still love to have a new supertall on the Jacob's lot!

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For their space requirements, couldn't they have a 600 - 800 ft HQ tower on the Jacobs lot, with a few lower-rise buildings, in a campus-like setting, on a portion of Weston? That could still leave enough room for a new Justice Center on the remaing portion of the Weston lots.

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I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit. 

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22 minutes ago, PAZUZU said:

I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit. 

 

Truth, but since he's only 55 and unlikely to retire for awhile, it makes it extremely likely they are staying in the area.

 

And odds are, that means downtown HQ.  I still think there's a good chance R&D ends up in the suburbs.  Economically, it's pretty much the same for the region.

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11 hours ago, PAZUZU said:

I don’t think it’s a lock that SW builds downtown because the CEO is building a house around Cleveland. They could still easily build in the suburbs. Even big shots sometimes have to drive a bit. 

I don't think you understand the point of the posts cheering the CEO's construct of a large house on the lake in Bay Village.  The implication is that SW will not be moving out of Greater Cleveland or to another state as a result, not that this is evidence that it would not build its HG in the suburbs.  People are also implying that this means the touted Brecksville site is less likely since the CEO is moving from his current home in Brecksville to Bay Village.  Hope that clears things up for you.

 

That said, according to a certain poster with a number of inside contacts, the HQ will be downtown.  What are your inside sources saying?

 

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9 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

Truth, but since he's only 55 and unlikely to retire for awhile, it makes it extremely likely they are staying in the area.

 

And odds are, that means downtown HQ.  I still think there's a good chance R&D ends up in the suburbs.  Economically, it's pretty much the same for the region.

 

Can't millionaire CEO's normally be able to afford multiple homes regardless? I see this as positive news, but I'm not exactly buying the cheering and jeering quite yet...The CEO, which is an interchangeable position anyways, having a mansion in Cleveland, while having the salary to afford multiple homes anyways doesn't really shine bright lights on SW next moves, imo at least ..

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No offense intended, but given the ability to build a home anywhere, I cannot see a millionaire CEO building a mansion in the western suburbs of Cleveland, unless they intend to spend a considerable amount of time in it.

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1 minute ago, Frmr CLEder said:

No offense intended, but given the ability to build a home anywhere, I cannot see a millionaire CEO building a mansion in the suburbs of Cleveland, unless he intends to spend a considerable amount of time in it.

 

Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower. 

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25 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower. 

It is my understanding that his two favorite mistresses live in Cleveland and one is afraid to fly and the other ate some bad shell fish in Atlanta.

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40 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Does he have kids that are enrolled in Cleveland schools? Any blood family in Cleveland? Part of any organizations/charaties? This very well could be his "main" home but still have a Luxery condo "business" home in a downtown Atlanta tower. 

1.  He and his wife are major Cleveland philanthropists

2.  Again, no offense, but downtown Atlanta would not even remotely be considered the location of a second home

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Why are we still debating the merit of the new home when it’s been said by multiple people with great sources that they aren’t going anywhere? The home is great news for reasons that people pointed out but regardless that’s not the main reason why people are saying they are staying.

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I think what’s interesting is options 3 and 4. Based on what we’ve heard from the Haslam’s, those are pretty ripe contenders for a future stadium. I wonder if S-W and the Browns have been talking about a collab. 

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41 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

Why are we still debating the merit of the new home when it’s been said by multiple people with great sources that they aren’t going anywhere? The home is great news for reasons that people pointed out but regardless that’s not the main reason why people are saying they are staying.

Thank you! People with proven sources have said it’s very likely they’re staying and very likely they’re staying in downtown. Why are we burying the lede here people?!

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If the HQ does end up being a tower of some sort, I hope it has some color! Whether it's the bluish/green of the Lumen and Hilton towers, the dark Bronze/green of Tower at Erieview, or the aluminum of Ernst & Young, I hope it has a different color than all the beige and off-beige buildings Downtown Cleveland is home to.

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Htsguy 😂 My sources are saying... that was just an observation/opinion that not all CEOs live where the headquarters of their companies are. 

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52 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

If the HQ does end up being a tower of some sort, I hope it has some color! Whether it's the bluish/green of the Lumen and Hilton towers, the dark Bronze/green of Tower at Erieview, or the aluminum of Ernst & Young, I hope it has a different color than all the beige and off-beige buildings Downtown Cleveland is home to.

 

I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. 

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31 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. 

Works for me.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. 

 

Main building....may not beat Key Tower in height. So, what you're saying is there multiple buildings with at least one very tall, probably at least skyline altering and possibly larger than Key.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

 

I can't say too much yet, but look for something really different for Cleveland. I haven't seen renderings but spoken to two people who have. The main building may not beat Key Tower in height, but it might in design. Of course, that's always subject to opinion. 

I hope it stands out like the three tallest buildings to the left in this pic!

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Thanks for the picture with Buckingham Fountain. Now I've got the song "Love and Marriage" running through my head...

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53 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

I hope it stands out like the three tallest buildings to the left in this pic!

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Just as long as it's not red. Lol.

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So while we were all fretting about possibly losing S-H they were doing their due diligence (evaluating possible locations) AND at the same time designing their new headquarters? Such that the design will dove-tail seamlessly with the chosen location? Walk and chew gum at the same time as they say. What's interesting to me about  that approach is how can you design a complex without knowing where you're going to build or if you even control the site? 

 

If the above is credible and they ARE building on Jocobs/Westin then S-H already knew where they were going and they already had an agreement to purchase those properties.  

 

At any rate, like most (all?) of us here we thrilled that S-H is staying home and staying downtown.  Now if only we could have kept Eaton and gotten Progressive to build downtown. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to be thankful for S-H and go from there.

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I just hope they have some great lighting at night. Terminal Tower has set a nice bar locally with that. I'd like to see something that moves and is part of the building itself, instead of just a static display or lighting up the architecture. I've always loved the City of Capitals (second and third towers in the pic) for their light display. The LEDs move so the lights look like water dripping down. 

 

 

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I have my fantasies too, but before the topic derails again i'd like to share something i've made on mspaint quite a while ago regarding the new SW headquarters. Just for lighting sake I love LED honeycomb, I've seen it used at Ohio State University i believe in one of their Engineering buildings, at night it's just so vibrant and colorful, but also provides a nice relaxing place to settle down and study.

 

Also, as you can tell I love spires, Let it be so bright you can see it from freaking Canada...

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10 hours ago, Htsguy said:

It is my understanding that his two favorite mistresses live in Cleveland and one is afraid to fly and the other ate some bad shell fish in Atlanta.

 

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15 hours ago, marty15 said:

Just pluck one of these from the Doha skyline and I’m good.

 

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Ahh yes. Cleveland Cliffs, make way for the Cleveland Cobs. We'll be the envy of the entire Midwest!

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1 hour ago, jjames0408 said:

It's like a game of ping pong between KJP and other writers. 🤣

 

My next shot comes tomorrow. 

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1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

My next shot comes tomorrow. 

We don’t mind the poor grammar and typos if you want to move your deadline up!

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3 hours ago, bwheats said:

When I first read that headline I got real nervous-like Stan might have some sort of inside information.

 

Then I read the article and realized it was a puff piece basically stating the obvious which anyone of us on the forum could have written.  Most annoying is Stan's favorite technique of going to industry specialist's who actually have nothing to do with the project (in this instance re-location consultants) to obtain quotes and bolster the article even though he clearly already knew what they are going to say (in fact he could have approached my tenth grade niece and she would have given the same quotes).  At least he made an attempt to get quotes from SHW and community leaders but there was basically nothing there. 

 

If Stan is going to ruin my Sunday morning with a headline like that, he should actually include some news.  Or at least change the headline to something like " As everybody and their mother knows, Cleveland's poor air service is a real negative for Sherwin Williams and Cleveland's other global companies".

 

By the way I really enjoyed his companion article on Bo Knez.
 

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