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Just now, NR said:

Hopefully not!  We need a 1,000++

Idk... If we get all those west side parking lots developed I'd say that's a huge win.

Having a single tall building is cool, but developing all these parking lots might be better in my opinion. Plus 700 feet is still tall.

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2 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said:

So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!😳

 

 

Im kidding, right?

Holy crap if that happened to be the case.

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3 minutes ago, CLE_Millennial said:

Idk... If we get all those west side parking lots developed I'd say that's a huge win.

Having a single tall building is cool, but developing all these parking lots might be better in my opinion. Plus 700 feet is still tall.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want to see all of those lots filled in!  I just think for SHW and what they mean to CLE and all, I think something bigger would be better.  

I'd rather see either a 1,500 or so all in one(HQ, R&D, parking), or a 1,300(ish) HQ and a 600(ish) R&D and parking.

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9 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said:

So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!😳

 

 

Im kidding, right?

 

Before this derails - my use of the word nucleus was ACCIDENTAL - let's temper those rumors before they spread. 

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To ensure that they are not landlocked in the future to provide for future growth SHW should build the main HQ at Jacobs lot and then buy the large West 3rd and Superior parking lot to provide plenty of room for growth and space for a combo garage/research center building too!

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^The planned Ameritrust Tower had a parking garage on that lot across West 3rd. Seems pretty likely we'd see something similar for any tower proposed for the Jacobs lot.  

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19 minutes ago, CleCaneFan said:

So you’re saying Bob Stark is wooing SW for Nucleus??!!😳

 

 

Im kidding, right?

 

Noooo!!


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What is the current class A office occupancy rate in downtown Cleveland?

 

Reason why I ask is because the corporation that I work for was originally going to build a second office tower and a new parking garage...we were being told this for the past 2 years, then a new CEO came in, and decided to scrap those plans, and save that money towards investing towards internal resources that would help increase revenue...and expanded by leasing more class a office spaces during the hiring frenzy.

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Tell people to stop calling me! It's slowing me down. 😉

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Here ya go.....

 

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WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2019

Sherwin-Williams HQ, R&D sites identified

 

A high-level source has identified that the Jacobs Group-owned lot on Cleveland's Public Square, as well as a portion of the neighboring Weston Group-owned parking lots in the Superblock, are the favored location for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) new headquarters tower. And it is the preferred location for the coatings giant's new research facility, as well.

The source also confirmed an earlier report that the HQ plus research and development center would measure 1.8 million total. And he also confirmed that they were the subject of a request for qualifications (RFQ) sent several weeks ago to Cleveland-area construction management firms.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-hq-r-sites-identified.html

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8 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. 

but perhaps some of the surface lots will be turned into structured parking which is an improvement.  I also see SW employees on RTA frequently.  Hopefully, a decent portion of the employees will get there via RTA. 

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11 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. 

 

What I find interesting about that is that parking is considered outside the scope of the HQ+R&D project. That puts downtown and the suburbs on a much more even keel when it comes to measuring and comparing costs and difficulty.

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Calling it now...With such a high demand for parking, I bet Weston incorporates it into a much larger mixed use development on those lots. I can't imagine financing being too much of a hurdle with 6000 plus employees needing immediate demand for parking and dining. Add in the fact that a fraction of those 6000 employees will need somewhere to live and all of the ancillary companies that may want to follow suit, and we have the perfect storm to FINALLY build on those dreaded lots. This has so much more potential to be transformative than Nucleus.

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28 minutes ago, KJP said:

Here ya go.....

 

Sherwin+Williams+HQ+massing-aerial-Geowi

 

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 2019

Sherwin-Williams HQ, R&D sites identified

 

A high-level source has identified that the Jacobs Group-owned lot on Cleveland's Public Square, as well as a portion of the neighboring Weston Group-owned parking lots in the Superblock, are the favored location for Sherwin-Williams (SHW) new headquarters tower. And it is the preferred location for the coatings giant's new research facility, as well.

The source also confirmed an earlier report that the HQ plus research and development center would measure 1.8 million total. And he also confirmed that they were the subject of a request for qualifications (RFQ) sent several weeks ago to Cleveland-area construction management firms.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-hq-r-sites-identified.html

 

Their R&D facility would make a great anchor tenant for the proposed downtown microgrid. I wonder what their reliability requirements are?

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24 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

Oh man, that parking demand is going to be something slightly scary to keep an eye on. 

 

Don't a large % of these employees find their own parking downtown already?  I know a lot of downtown firms that do not provide parking for their employees...   It's close enough to terminal tower to just continue parking there.  I would think SW would not need to provide, but I'm sure at least some will be built in by the developer.

 

Does SW own the landmark building?  Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project.

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5 minutes ago, RMB said:

Does SW own the landmark building?  Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project.

 

Yes. They also own a lot of land along the river as well....

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3 minutes ago, RMB said:

 

Don't a large % of these employees find their own parking downtown already?  I know a lot of downtown firms that do not provide parking for their employees...   It's close enough to terminal tower to just continue parking there.  I would think SW would not need to provide, but I'm sure at least some will be built in by the developer.

 

Does SW own the landmark building?  Would be a great apt conversion but such a massive scale is a tough project.

That's what I was wondering. It's not like there is a massive parking structure for the Landmark  building for employees to park at. I'd also love to know how many employees live downtown. With the growing number of apartments coming online, it'd be great if the percentage of employees living downtown was growing.

 

If this gets built how we are all hoping it gets built; I'm excited to see the spinoff development this creates in the surround area. 

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7 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

I share Ken's enthusiastic skepticism, and can cosign that his source is just about as close to the nucleus as you can get. 

I see what you did there.

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2 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Yes. They also own a lot of land along the river as well....

What a great opportunity to create the Sherwin Williams river front recreation trail. 

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6 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said:

That's what I was wondering. It's not like there is a massive parking structure for the Landmark  building for employees to park at. I'd also love to know how many employees live downtown. With the growing number of apartments coming online, it'd be great if the percentage of employees living downtown was growing.

 

If this gets built how we are all hoping it gets built; I'm excited to see the spinoff development this creates in the surround area. 

The Landmark building has (or used to have) internal parking.  The first five above ground floors were designed as parking.

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^The net absorbtion was negative- a company probably left.  Which one- who knows... doesn't mean the entire market is soft.  I'll bet a beer that it's back up to around 90% by the next report.

 

And back to Sherwin Williams... Cleveland Browns presented by Sherwin Williams announcement tomorrow 🙂  Could it be the new face of replacing the Guardian currently on the side of their building?  We'll see...

 

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8 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

^The net absorbtion was negative- a company probably left.  Which one- who knows... doesn't mean the entire market is soft.  I'll bet a beer that it's back up to around 90% by the next report.

 

And back to Sherwin Williams... Cleveland Browns presented by Sherwin Williams announcement tomorrow 🙂

 

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Not a SHW announcement, but a cool one nonetheless...

 

The announcement is about the Brown's Color Rush jerseys being named the primary team jersey for the season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852393-look-browns-announce-brown-color-rush-jerseys-will-be-primary-uniforms-in-2019

 

Because Sherwin Williams = Colors

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A pedestrian bridge over Superior could also be a way for them to link back to the TC/Landmark/Ritz/Renaissance parking garage/Rapid Station. I’m sure all the Minneapolis transplants would be cool with it.

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Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper?

 

For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. 

 

Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. 

 

You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, troeros said:

Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper?

 

For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. 

 

Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. 

 

You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. 

 

 

 

This is the general idea behind the corporate campus concept I'm going to start rendering at the request of @YABO713. Stay tuned!

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It's not known how tall the headquarters/research facilities will be. The only things I've learned are the general location of the site, total square footage, construction management firms contacted, and that parking isn't counted in the square footage.

 

I'm still going on the last assumption about SHW's HQ at this location, which was that it would be in an iconic skyscraper. You may very well be correct that the 1.8 million square feet will be spread out across the entire 7-8 acres of the Weston and Jacobs lots. It may well look more like Weston's original vision for the Superblock.....

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11 minutes ago, marty15 said:

A pedestrian bridge over Superior could also be a way for them to link back to the TC/Landmark/Ritz/Renaissance parking garage/Rapid Station. I’m sure all the Minneapolis transplants would be cool with it.

Everyone here on Urban Ohio would be against a pedestrian bridge. We want people on the street.

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4 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Everyone here on Urban Ohio would be against a pedestrian bridge. We want people on the street.

Even if it saves SHW from building a massive parking garage on Weston lots?  

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

Aren't more and more large corporations turning against the grain of a sole corporate skyscraper?

 

For instance I look at Amazon HQ, Apple HQ, Walmart's new 350 Acre HQ..They are all designed to look like college campuses, with a community meeting space, a corporate lawn to do goat yoga, basketball courts, gym facility, etc. 

 

Millennial's have a different definition of the word, "corporate" nowadays. They expect a dress code that doesn't prohibit their idea of expression, they expect a built in espresso bar/Starbucks, a modern cafeteria with vegan options, a free onsite gym, a recreational lawn where you can do goat yoga, play basketball, ping pong, etc. 

 

You have to really sell your company nowadays to millennial's, and many don't want to work in a boxed skyscraper, they want, "space" and a laundry list of free corporate amenities, hence the reason for many of these corporate campuses. 

 

 

 

I agree with this, in part. I'm 29 and loving working on the 22nd floor of a building downtown, though. 

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