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16 minutes ago, simplythis said:

KJP - How many jobs are you expecting to be consolidated from Minneapolis & other

parts of the country. I wonder if these transplants would be moving into Downtown

apartments & condos  or suburban housing.

 

Up to about 1,600 people. 

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So 2,500 total new jobs to downtown.  900 CLE-area relocations and 1,600 MSP transplants or new hires.

 

Sweet 

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37 minutes ago, simplythis said:

out of that number - what % do you think will re-locate to Cleveland

 

Impossible to know


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@KJP, the only disappointing part about this is I found the blog on Facebook before UO!! Either I’m slacking, or the blog is moving through social media faster than the hyperloop!

 

edit: probably both 🙂

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I feel a lot of developers are/were waiting for concrete confirmation that they’re staying to move forward. SHW leaving would’ve been a death blow to downtown. Now we’re looking at the most transformative project since Gateway broke ground in January of 1992. 

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

 

That could be a $100 million project right there.

The 480 bridge project is $220 million. This would be 1/100th the size project.

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Okay folks, this is a wonderful "problem" to have - there were some posts that were discussing adjacent developments and infrastructure, but not the actual HQ development - those have been moved to their own thread. Obviously there will be some gray areas, but when you post - consider which thread might be the most appropriate. 🙂

 

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This is interesting as the very idea was discussed in this thread for a couple pages. Great article @KJP


SHW executives, according to sources, said they weren't interested in building an iconic tower to rival the height of neighboring Key Tower, a 57-story, 888-foot-tall, 1.3-million-square-foot skyscraper.

 

As one SHW executive explained when he was asked why the conservative company wasn't considering an ostentatious skyscraper on the Jacobs lot, "Our stock value is up to nearly $600 per share because we're conservative," he said.

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20 minutes ago, KJP said:

a new CityBlock hotel/office building plus an apartment tower on your right, followed by a Landmark Building renovated into apartments, then a new Justice Center Courthouse tower, plus the old SHW R&D facilities renovated into law offices with a publicly accessible park along the riverfront at least on the Tower City side, followed by the Canal Basin Park

 

Building up the river like this would be great!!!  @KJP Is the above just speculation, or are you hearing inside info to suggest this may happen?

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2 minutes ago, NR said:

 

Building up the river like this would be great!!!  @KJP Is the above just speculation, or are you hearing inside info to suggest this may happen?

 

All of that along the river is planned -- the Justice Center courthouse tower is going to get built. The only question is where. But a source expected Dan Gilbert to go after it if he didn't get the SHW HQ. Not sure how far along the Riverview phase is of CityBlock, however. But Blockland Cleveland has the cash to build something big there. And the housing that was planned along Columbus Road at Center Street before the Great Recession will probably make a comeback with everything happening across the river.

 

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29 minutes ago, audidave said:

^I didn’t hear you imagine a phase 2 casino...  is that where blockland thing is going?  

 

It's not Blockland anymore. It's CityBlock and only the first phase is in Tower City Center. Big news coming VERY SOON on that too. Later phases would overlook the river. They wanted SHW as part of it. But I think you'll see them go after the courthouse tower once the county's executive committee makes it official that they will pursue a new tower.

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1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

It's not Blockland anymore. It's CityBlock and only the first phase is in Tower City Center. Big news coming VERY SOON on that too. Later phases would overlook the river. They wanted SHW as part of it. But I think you'll see them go after the courthouse tower once the county's executive committee makes it official that they will pursue a new tower.

Is the news related to potential tenants?!

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17 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Is the news related to potential tenants?!

 

Construction work

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This is such fantastic news!!!! The realization that the sea of parking lot's ringing the Western perimeter of Public Square will be no more is cause for much celebration.

 

Downtown Cleveland was already reawakening 5 year's ago, but this NEW headquarters is simply the icing on our city's very rich cake.

 

I am so excited for the future as this project will almost certainly become a catalyst for more large-scale developments in the CBD.

 

As for a headquarters that will be in the 30-story range ... I am a bit underwhelmed at that prospect, but a win is still a WIN!!! Who knows, once the renderings are released we may all be pleasantly surprised. A lower height tower doesn't mean that it can't be architecturally striking.

 

I very much look forward to this announcement by Sherwin-Williams.

 

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If you are disappointed with the building height just think of the construction. Depending on the the height of the other buildings there could be multiple tower cranes!😉

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...but if someone wants to get under SHW's skin about not building an "iconic" tower on Public Square--just mention how awesome rival PPG's HQ in Pittsburgh is.

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No doubt PPG's HQ is iconic, but the design always seemed to have a somewhat inappropriate "religious" overtone....

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On 1/10/2020 at 1:11 PM, PaxtonMarley said:

...but if someone wants to get under SHW's skin about not building an "iconic" tower on Public Square--just mention how awesome rival PPG's HQ in Pittsburgh is.

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I think the Great American Tower in Cincinnati is the most iconic modern building in Ohio: https://www.queencitysquare.com/gat.php

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To those skilled in sketchup or other tools---could you show what a 30-some story bldg on the West Roadway of Public Sq would look like from the lake?  There was a great graphic someone created one showing the skyline with various planned (and existing) buildings as viewed from the Lake, but I can't find it now.

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^^All completely speculative at this juncture - we're all in "hurry up and wait" mode for renderings. As I mentioned upthread, we're probably looking at 400' at minimum* and 600' at maximum. Given the conservative culture at Sherwin-Williams, I wouldn't get my hopes up for significant decorative elements that would boost that height. 

 

*That said, the 9, PNC and One Cleveland Center were built for corporate offices but they're several decades old. Modern buildings usually need to take into account things like underfloor utilities, which might add a nominal amount of height to each floor.

 

The following are all approximately 28-33 stories. Pittsburgh's Tower at PNC Plaza (564', built 2015) and Milwaukee's Northwestern Mutual Tower (550', built 2017) on the higher end:

 

https://www.gensler.com/projects/the-tower-at-pnc-plaza

 

https://www.pickardchilton.com/work/northwestern-mutual-headquarters

 

Then you have Houston's BHP Billiton Center (477', built 2016), NYC's 7 Bryant Park (441', built 2013) and Oklahoma City's BOK Park Plaza (433', built 2017)

 

https://www.pickardchilton.com/work/bhp-billiton-headquarters

 

https://www.hines.com/properties/7-bryant-park-new-york

 

https://www.pickardchilton.com/work/bok-park-plaza

 

Again, these are all just examples of 30ish story office towers that have been completed in recent years. Hopefully this "hurry up and wait" phase won't last too long. 🙂 With that - if someone wants to create a separate "Speculative Buildings and Developments" thread so this thread stays on topic ... 😉

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I'm pulling for something between the PNC Tower in Pitt and the 7 Bryant Park tower in NY. I love the colorful mural that's visible at night in the PNC tower, and the horizontal lighting of the Bryant tower.

 

Also, not sure if it's been brought up yet but, SHW has their 2019 financial results conference call for investors on Jan 30th. Is this perhaps when we can expect an announcement about their HQ plans?

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I was in PGH when they were building PNC, I know they went for LEED, I think Gold? I wonder if SW would have any desire to go towards some level of LEED- does Ohio or the county offer tax breaks for this?

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great news and i love the scranton r&d site choice. that is very forward looking indeed and will spur development around there at last. 

 

i really hope the signature hq building has at least some razzle dazzle though. I mean while they make a point of being conservative, come on, this is once in an era opportunity.

 

like maybe 30 something floors is just the hq needs instead of total height?  and it could still add a hotel, a few law firms or parking or something to bump it up?

 

or if 30+ is what the hq tower is to be, so be it. its still over the moon fantastic news. bye bye jacobs lot. wow.

 

the 30 something floor examples already posted are pretty good, except i cannot help but notice this is the most important site placement of any of them.

 

so with that in mind -- i really like the new pitts png tower example, thats a great model, but i really dislike the bryant pk building. sure nice lighting and while its miles better than the junk it replaced, its actually pretty cheap looking itself. bank of china and i think some investment and law firms or something are in that one. 

 

welp, anyway for now i guess now we breath that sigh of relief, yeah i know nobody was seriously worried, but still, and we move on to anxiously await renders ....

 

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I really can't see the Cleveland Planning Commission allowing a 30-story building to be built right on Public Square. The whole idea is not in good taste, not to mention how out of place it would look next to the three other buildings on the square. If they wanted to build a 30 story building, they should have chosen the Bedrock site or whatever it is, not Public Square.

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8 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

I really can't see the Cleveland Planning Commission allowing a 30-story building to be built right on Public Square. The whole idea is not in good taste, not to mention how out of place it would look next to the three other buildings on the square. If they wanted to build a 30 story building, they should have chosen the Bedrock site or whatever it is, not Public Square.

The City allowed a parking lot on Public Square.  Several actually.  Kinda looks outa place.

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13 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

I really can't see the Cleveland Planning Commission allowing a 30-story building to be built right on Public Square. The whole idea is not in good taste, not to mention how out of place it would look next to the three other buildings on the square. If they wanted to build a 30 story building, they should have chosen the Bedrock site or whatever it is, not Public Square.

There’s 8 buildings directly on Public Square ranging from 4-14 floors, and a church, and a parking lot, as stated above.

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We need the last open space filled with a tower that is at least as tall as Erieview tower. Otherwise, the skyline will be lopsided. I'd rather have an empty parking lot than a building that screws up our skyline. I'd rather wait for another building that can do the site justice. Just my opinion.

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22 minutes ago, jbee1982 said:

We need the last open space filled with a tower that is at least as tall as Erieview tower. Otherwise, the skyline will be lopsided. I'd rather have an empty parking lot than a building that screws up our skyline. I'd rather wait for another building that can do the site justice. Just my opinion.

Its lopsided already because the bulk of the tallest towers are east of public square. If anything, with this building being tall, but not as tall as Key Tower, it will balance it out seeing as how it will be West of Public Square with possibly more than one tower.

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