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If true, the Brecksville R&D site is disappointing.  Missed opportunity IMO to make this a truly catalytic project for downtown and only furthers sprawl.

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WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2020

SHW: HQ lands west of Public Square, R&D to Brecksville

 

Tomorrow, as has been reported on this blog many times in recent months, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) will announce that its new, consolidated headquarters facility will be built on parking lots owned by the Jacobs and Weston groups west of Public Square, according to several sources.

A press release will be issued tomorrow by SHW. It is doubtful that any site plans or renderings of the new HQ facilities will be included. The current headquarters with about 3,150 jobs is located in the Landmark Building, 101 Prospect Ave., with other SHW offices in the neighboring Skylight Office Tower.

The fact that SHW is not only staying but will relocate and add to downtown as many as 1,800 office jobs, company-wide training facilities and development of nearly 7 acres of windswept parking lots in the central business district is a tremendous victory for downtown Cleveland. SHW's HQ will reportedly measure 1.45 million square feet and represent a $1 billion investment.

 

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1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

^So no renderings tomorrow?

 

Apparently not.

 

47 minutes ago, punch said:

Thanks @KJP For sharing all your hard work with us on this project over the last few months.

 

 

 

Thanks. I had good sources on the HQ but no so good on the R&D it seems. But we'll see what the actual announcement is.

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There may be some sort of visual presentation as part of the announcement tomorrow, perhaps web-based.

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41 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Apparently not.

 

 

Thanks. I had good sources on the HQ but no so good on the R&D it seems. But we'll see what the actual announcement is.

You’ve been great on this. We’re all grateful for your work. 

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@KJP I have a question and I know you’d be the guy to answer it. Do you think that this decision by SHW to stay here and build the new world headquarters here could influence any of the other major companies in the region to consider locating within the city limits? I know money likes to follow other money, so it’s just something I’m curious about. I wonder if this has an influencer spin off effect. As bad as it would’ve been for morale if they had left, I wonder if it’ll be just as good for morale that they’re staying

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7 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Apparently not.

 

 

Thanks. I had good sources on the HQ but no so good on the R&D it seems. But we'll see what the actual announcement is.

 

I suspect the final R&D decision happened at the last minute and someone wanted to curry favor with WKYC.  Or perhaps they leaked because their "side" lost.

 

It seemed like a scramble once Scranton was ruled out.  My guess is they got sold a bill of goods by the city, and once they figured this out they were in a bind, and the previous option was the best available quickly.

 

If so, the city may have  just screwed over the peninsula for a long time.

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I'll comment in the SHW R&D thread. 


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A company will relocate downtown only if it makes sense to them financially. That's the only reason why SHW needed a new HQ....because they had outgrown their old HQ. SHW has been looking at the Jacobs/Weston lots for a new HQ since 2014-15. Admittedly, SHW is probably more sentimental about its history than most big companies. They have a whole section in their HQ dedicated to it. It's like a museum. See below...

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Well it's official, we just got the e-mail from the CEO. HQ on Public Square, R&D in Brecksville. Interesting enough, it specifically stated they have no plans on relocating any facilities/office besides Landmark, Skylight, Breen, and Warrensville. I'd imagine that is mostly lip service for the Valspar people in Minnesota, Chicago and Sewickley but I find it interesting they didn't mention the Hinckley office for SW employees.

Anyways, HQ is said to be approximately 1 million sq feet and R&D will approximately 500,000 sq feet

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I'm told some contractors are expecting five years worth of work with this project. They may not build everything all at once, at the outset.

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4 minutes ago, KJP said:

I'm told some contractors are expecting five years worth of work with this project. They may not build everything all at once, at the outset.

You think they break ground with R&D or HQ first? At first thought, you would think R&D since that would probably go up faster than a downtown site but the current HQ is already limited on office space and you might think they would want to get the HQ done first to get everyone relocated into a bigger building(s) more quickly.

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Email sent to all corporate employees at about 8 a.m. Feb. 6. It was not edited in any way...

 

Dear Fellow Employees,

 

I am writing to share an exciting update with you regarding the planned locations for our new global headquarters and new R&D center.  

 

After many months exploring multiple sites nationally, I’m pleased to share with you that we are finalizing plans to build a new global headquarters in downtown Cleveland and a new R&D center in the Cleveland suburb of Brecksville. The plans are contingent upon completion of standard due diligence, approvals of incentives and other matters at state, county and city levels, and resolution of business and legal matters that accompany such major real estate investment projects.

 

The planned new global headquarters would be in downtown Cleveland just west of Public Square between Saint Clair Avenue and Superior Avenue and is expected to be approximately 1,000,000 square-feet in size. The planned new R&D center would be located in Brecksville, just off I-77 at Miller Road and Brecksville Road. The R&D center would serve as the corporate anchor for a new mixed-use development project and is expected to be approximately 500,000-square-feet in size.   

 

With these new facilities, we plan to create a next generation workplace environment that attracts and retains top talent and further ignites the creativity, collaboration and industry-leading innovation that our customers have relied on throughout our long history. The plan to stay in Cleveland and Northeast Ohio builds on the 154-year legacy of Sherwin-Williams as one of the region’s top employers and drivers of economic activity. This major planned investment in Cleveland and Northeast Ohio reflects our confidence in the continued strength of the region and its people and our project partners’ ability to deliver on their commitments.

 

Preliminary plans call for Sherwin-Williams to invest a minimum of $600 million to build both facilities. Combined, the two facilities would house more than 3,500 employees with room to accommodate significant future growth. We estimate adding a minimum of 400 jobs at these facilities over time, an increase of 11 percent to the Company’s current local workforce. Many of these jobs will be professional staff, engineers and chemists. 

 

Current plans will have R&D roles transfer from the Breen Technology Center and Warrensville Heights, Ohio locations to the planned new R&D center in Brecksville. Employees located at Landmark Office Towers and Skylight Office Tower in Cleveland will transfer to the planned new global headquarters along with non-R&D professional roles currently located at Breen Technology Center and Warrensville Heights. The Company has no plans to move other facilities to the new R&D center or the new global headquarters at this time.

 

I want to emphasize that this process will extend over several years. As previously announced, any transition to the new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest. During this time we will continue to update employees as new information becomes available.

 

Later today we will issue a press release announcing our plans. This release and additional materials will be available on buildingourfuture.com. Please visit mySherwin to view additional employee-specific materials, including FAQs. 

 

Today’s press release will likely generate considerable media coverage on a wide variety of channels, including social media. Only the Sherwin-Williams Corporate Communications Department is authorized to speak publicly or communicate externally on behalf of the Company. If you receive any inquiries from the media or other third parties, please politely explain that you are not able to comment on behalf of the Company, gather their contact information and let them know a Company representative will get back to them. It’s also important to remember that any mention of Sherwin-Williams on social media could be quoted by the press. Please be thoughtful if you engage in social media, express only your personal opinions and do not identify yourself as a representative of the Company.

 

Forward all media and public inquiries as well as any media activity outside of a Sherwin-Williams store, office or facility to:

 

Julie Young, Vice President, Global Corporate Communications

corporatemedia@sherwin.com

216-515-8849 

 

Thank you for your hard work, dedication and patience as we work through this important process. This is exciting news that will shape our Company’s future success. In the meantime, let’s continue to focus our efforts on the service, quality and innovations that fuel our commitment to help customers around the world succeed.

 

Sincerely,

 

John G. Morikis

Chairman & Chief Executive Officer

The Sherwin-Williams Company

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Note that SHW says it doesn't plan to move the Hinckley flex space (about 250 jobs and 130,000 sf) to downtown nor any Minneapolis staff to downtown or the R&D. I find that very curious...

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https://www.sherwin-williams.com/buildingourfuture/

 

Minimum of $600M at both facilities- 1M Sqft downtown, 500,000 Sqft in Brecksville.  A win for the City and the Region- but damn, the owners over on the Scranton Peninsula could not have f#^$ed up any worse than they did.  Pretty aggravated right now by them. 

 

What a huge win that would have been!

 

 

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22 minutes ago, KJP said:

The planned new global headquarters would be in downtown Cleveland just west of Public Square between Saint Clair Avenue and Superior Avenue and is expected to be approximately 1,000,000 square-feet in size.


So this isn’t clear. Is part of the headquarters still going to be on the Jacobs lot?

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So this isn’t clear. Is part of the headquarters still going to be on the Jacobs lot?

 

No it's not clear. I've heard some rumblings that the SHW HQ could be built only on the Weston lots. I attempted to suggest that possibility in this article....

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/sherwin-williams-hq-search-is-over.html 

 

....by noting that some activities (ie: rumor about purchase agreement, filing of certificates of disclosure, etc) were done only for the Weston lots. But we did have the groundwater wells drilled in the Jacobs lot, followed by the same company then making repairs to sewers below streets in the vicinity. So I guess we'll find out soon.

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hate to ask the obvious, but when do we get to see renderings? Or will this be another absurdly long wait too?

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What happened to make this go from a 1.8 million sq. ft. HQ to a 1 million sq. ft. HQ? A lot of what I'm hearing makes me wonder if SHW is doing this all in a much more incremental way than we expected.

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7 minutes ago, NewtoCLE said:

hate to ask the obvious, but when do we get to see renderings? Or will this be another absurdly long wait too?

 

Could be!

 

4 minutes ago, htsfan said:

The Sherwin Williams website seemed to indicate that no architect had been selected yet.  Is Vocon out?  

 

No. They also didn't list their CM either. But it's possible SHW may be bringing on a starchitect to work with Vocon.

 

FYI......

 

 

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5 minutes ago, htsfan said:

The Sherwin Williams website seemed to indicate that no architect had been selected yet.  Is Vocon out?  

 

Guessing Vocon was just a site search design consultant.  For a building like this, seems likely SW will aim a little higher for architecture talent.

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17 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

What happened to make this go from a 1.8 million sq. ft. HQ to a 1 million sq. ft. HQ? A lot of what I'm hearing makes me wonder if SHW is doing this all in a much more incremental way than we expected.

 

The 1.8 million refers to the total HQ+R&D. The total that SHW is proposing is 1.5 million square feet. But the HQ is smaller than what I was told and the R&D is larger than I was told.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is that the proposed HQ is one million square feet which is basically a wash compared to what they have in the Landmark Building and over in the Skylight Office Tower. So I don't see much of a consolidation here unless they are going to build additional structures to accommodate the employees at Hinckley and others from around the country.

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16 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

 

Guessing Vocon was just a site search design consultant.  For a building like this, seems likely SW will aim a little higher for architecture talent.

 

Vocon has been doing the programming and spatial/massing work too.

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If Sherwin-Williams hopes to start this summer (according to their FAQ) we might see massings by March, then renderings in June. You don't get this far in the process without an idea of programming on each site. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a concept massing from Vocon sooner than later

 

For comparison we got massings from Stark for nuCLEus in the fall 2014 to get conceptual approval from the planning commission, then actual renderings in January 2015 for design approval.

 

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1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

The 1.8 million refers to the total HQ+R&D. The total that SHW is proposing is 1.5 million square feet. But the HQ is smaller than what I was told and the R&D is larger than I was told.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is that the proposed HQ is one million square feet which is basically a wash compared to what they have in the Landmark Building and over in the Skylight Office Tower. So I don't see much of a consolidation here unless they are going to build additional structures to accommodate the employees at Hinckley and others from around the country.

1 million square feet spread over the Jacobs and Westons lot is going to have all the height junkies seeking therapy.  I on the other hand am so happy the Jacobs lot will be no more that I will buy no other than SHW paint the rest of my life.  Here is hoping the base of the design will really enliven Public Square

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8 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

The 1.8 million refers to the total HQ+R&D. The total that SHW is proposing is 1.5 million square feet. But the HQ is smaller than what I was told and the R&D is larger than I was told.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is that the proposed HQ is one million square feet which is basically a wash compared to what they have in the Landmark Building and over in the Skylight Office Tower. So I don't see much of a consolidation here unless they are going to build additional structures to accommodate the employees at Hinckley and others from around the country.

1 million square feet in a new building might be able to hold more employees than 1 million sf in a more outdated building. 

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I am confused. So there is NOT a skyscraper going on Public Square? I thought the consensus was at least 30 stories? What is Stan Bullard referring to?

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Obviously things need to play out more and a new HQ being built downtown is better than the opposite or a company leaving. That being said, after seeing that press release, seeing that potentially we wont see the Minneapolis team come here like we first thought, the new HQ space not being bigger than what they already have, a rumor of NO SKYSCRAPER, potentially not building on the Jacobs lot and the whole Brecksville thing, I can't help but feel underwhelmed. 

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I’m gonna go with them understating the cost and size as to not wanting to spook shareholders. 

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I love how his tweet says, "No Public Square Tower", yet in his article he states no details have emerged about the height of the HQ. From what I've seen, nothing indicates there's a chance a new tower won't be built on the Jacobs lots.

 

I'm still holding out for a 30+ story tower on the Jacobs lot and a mass of 3-5 story buildings on the Weston lots that help blend in well with the Warehouse District.

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My sources say that SW plans for Weston lots have been downgraded to a one-story retail paint store with 2k surface parking spots. 

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4 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said:

I love how his tweet says, "No Public Square Tower", yet in his article he states no details have emerged about the height of the HQ. From what I've seen, nothing indicates there's a chance a new tower won't be built on the Jacobs lots.

 

I'm still holding out for a 30+ story tower on the Jacobs lot and a mass of 3-5 story buildings on the Weston lots that help blend in well with the Warehouse District.

totally obnoxious tweet from Stan Bullard

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There was mention of mixed use at the R&D site (could be a separate development) but no mixed use at the HQ, I hope we don't have to deal with blocks of single use office space. We'd be building something just to build it like we have in the past (Key, BP etc.) with no long term look at the benefits to an area when it comes to public use. Public Square honestly isn't very public. They need commercial space fronting the major streets. These mistakes aren't easily reversible, we have to get it right if we want to transition properly with the future of cities (live, work, play).

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To me, these numbers are the square footage of office/lab space and do not include the parking components.  It simply wouldn't make sense to say the "R&D Center + Parking" is 500,000 sq. ft.  Extending that to the HQ, they likely are saying the actual office square footage is 1,000,000 sq. ft.  

 

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6 minutes ago, ASPhotoman said:

I love how his tweet says, "No Public Square Tower", yet in his article he states no details have emerged about the height of the HQ. From what I've seen, nothing indicates there's a chance a new tower won't be built on the Jacobs lots.

 

I'm still holding out for a 30+ story tower on the Jacobs lot and a mass of 3-5 story buildings on the Weston lots that help blend in well with the Warehouse District.

 

I think you're right.  Key and 200PS are both over 1M Sq.ft.  A lot of that space on the Weston lots has to be dedicated to structured parking.   Hard to see them fitting 1M Sq. ft. in without going at least 30 stories.

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36 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

The 1.8 million refers to the total HQ+R&D. The total that SHW is proposing is 1.5 million square feet. But the HQ is smaller than what I was told and the R&D is larger than I was told.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is that the proposed HQ is one million square feet which is basically a wash compared to what they have in the Landmark Building and over in the Skylight Office Tower. So I don't see much of a consolidation here unless they are going to build additional structures to accommodate the employees at Hinckley and others from around the country.

 

Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot more sense. Frankly, with a conservative public company that just had a kind of disappointing earnings report, I could see an announcement of "approximately" 1,000,000 sq. feet turning out to really mean 1,300,000 sq. feet.

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11 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Apparently not.

 

 

Thanks. I had good sources on the HQ but no so good on the R&D it seems. But we'll see what the actual announcement is.

 

You're too modest, sir.  You've spent the last year or so running circles around the local press.  For us here on Urban Ohio, SW's announcement is almost anti-climactic.  But hopefully the rest of the city wakes up to this tremendous news and starts thinking positively about Cleveland and its future!  

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