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14 minutes ago, NR said:

 

I think @KJP was making a puny joke...

 

Besides, I can't really see a conservative company like SHW get involved in the supertall race.  But if they retain the Cleveland CBD as its HQ, they can have pretty much anything they want from a trophy tower to a corporate campus/research park.

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28 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

 

And so I'll post my Sketchup rendering from a couple pages ago of the 3-5 building proposal again. Let's hope the CEO sees this! 🤣

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Love it.  Could you imagine what the cameras would capture under the bright lights of the 2021 NFL Draft if something like this went forward?

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Many people have been quoting me on taking the leap on moving elsewhere, saying its a major unknown, and a big deal breaker. A move like this would be the equivalent to digging for pocket change. I applaud you all for finding insides on CFOs and CEOs of the company, but i never knew my quote was directly related to the shareholders as well. If they tank stock price for this deal because they move, they're probably going to regret even thinking of moving. In due time I still have my insides on the financial division, so I could possibly ask him how the shareholders are feeling about this. But I'm also not sure if he's even under that spectrum.

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2 hours ago, Geowizical said:

 

And so I'll post my Sketchup rendering from a couple pages ago of the 3-5 building proposal again. Let's hope the CEO sees this! 🤣

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As mentioned upthread, I don't see a conservative company like SW trying to make a statement with the tallest building in the city. A 700-800 ft tower, with a few smaller buildings, as pictured here, would be more consistent with their character.

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

 

May not be such a lofty tower. The CEO doesn't see the point (sorry, had to) in them.

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5 minutes ago, Clevander1005 said:

I had an idea... probably wont do anything but worth a shot. I really feel that talent acquisition is a concern... for any employee seeing this that wants SW to stay write a stellar review of the company and Cleveland on Glassdoor.  I really think they look there. I just wrote mine and mentioned it to coworkers (I dont think its visible yet).  Get the word out that SW is the best company especially here in Cleveland.  

Since you appear to be somewhat close to the situation what do you have any gauge as to which way you think the company is leaning?  Obviously it'd be an educated guess.

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Personally I think Cleveland and I would have thought that 100% until I got myself in trouble and looked at sites like this. I believe they want to consolidate so I personally feel it would be a hard move to move all of Cleveland and Minnesota.  So then that leaves Minnesota, but we are the parent company. I have seen others say the tops dont care about Cleveland.  They do. The company donates a lot to the local charities with time and money. Plus it's very cold there. Also, most employees have a long tenure here and that will be hard to replace. Will people follow? Yes, but a lot of employees have a successful spouse at another company. These are only my opinions of course. Also, and this is public,  back during our 150th anniversary we had Frank Jackson speak and this is paraphrasing here but Jackson mentioned something about us better not leaving and the CEO assured him we are dedicated to Cleveland.  A lot can change in 3 years though.  

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I know two people who work for SW. Their impression is that SW wouldn't leave the Cleveland region because that would mean uprooting all of the employees and a lot of employees would leave the company to stay with their families, which would then set the company back in terms of institutional knowledge. They think that the headquarters will be downtown to continue to attract talent, but that R&D would be in the suburbs. Apparently the R&D component requires freight truck deliveries which they couldn't see happening downtown. 

 

They also said parking is a huge deal for the downtown employees. Apparently if the employee's office is downtown, they have to pay for parking. But if the employee is based out of another office and just visiting the HQ or the Breen Tech Center then parking is complimentary, which apparently is annoying to the people who work downtown every day. My takeaway is that available parking is a big concern for the employees commuting into downtown. 

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1 minute ago, smimes said:

I know two people who work for SW. Their impression is that SW wouldn't leave the Cleveland region because that would mean uprooting all of the employees and a lot of employees would leave the company to stay with their families, which would then set the company back in terms of institutional knowledge. They think that the headquarters will be downtown to continue to attract talent, but that R&D would be in the suburbs. Apparently the R&D component requires freight truck deliveries which they couldn't see happening downtown. 

 

They also said parking is a huge deal for the downtown employees. Apparently if the employee's office is downtown, they have to pay for parking. But if the employee is based out of another office and just visiting the HQ or the Breen Tech Center then parking is complimentary, which apparently is annoying to the people who work downtown every day. My takeaway is that available parking is a big concern for the employees commuting into downtown. 

Maybe a new R&D on the Scranton Peninsula and the HQ on PS would be ideal?

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3 minutes ago, smimes said:

I know two people who work for SW. Their impression is that SW wouldn't leave the Cleveland region because that would mean uprooting all of the employees and a lot of employees would leave the company to stay with their families, which would then set the company back in terms of institutional knowledge. They think that the headquarters will be downtown to continue to attract talent, but that R&D would be in the suburbs. Apparently the R&D component requires freight truck deliveries which they couldn't see happening downtown. 

 

They also said parking is a huge deal for the downtown employees. Apparently if the employee's office is downtown, they have to pay for parking. But if the employee is based out of another office and just visiting the HQ or the Breen Tech Center then parking is complimentary, which apparently is annoying to the people who work downtown every day. My takeaway is that available parking is a big concern for the employees commuting into downtown. 

It wouldn't  be a concern if SW has its own, brand new parking structure underneath or adjacent to their new HQ building.

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28 minutes ago, smimes said:

I know two people who work for SW. Their impression is that SW wouldn't leave the Cleveland region because that would mean uprooting all of the employees and a lot of employees would leave the company to stay with their families, which would then set the company back in terms of institutional knowledge. They think that the headquarters will be downtown to continue to attract talent, but that R&D would be in the suburbs. Apparently the R&D component requires freight truck deliveries which they couldn't see happening downtown. 

 

They also said parking is a huge deal for the downtown employees. Apparently if the employee's office is downtown, they have to pay for parking. But if the employee is based out of another office and just visiting the HQ or the Breen Tech Center then parking is complimentary, which apparently is annoying to the people who work downtown every day. My takeaway is that available parking is a big concern for the employees commuting into downtown. 

Yes, parking is a concern as it is either very expensive or if you are like myself you park in the flats which is a 13 minute walk, not the end of the world but could be better. A LOT of employees use the RTA system,  rail and bus. Actually,  downtown traffic isnt even all that bad because of that so that's another reason why I personally feel Cleveland is better than the burbs. 

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Yah, Cleveland is in a bit of trouble with this loser - and talk about pretty bad timing. Can you imagine stronger mayors like Walsh or Turner sounding so incomprehensible, unprofessional, almost Trumpian. 

 

And this is the guy leading the charge to keep Sherwin-Williams? 

 

Uh oh.

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6 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Yah, Cleveland is in a bit of trouble with this loser - and talk about pretty bad timing. Can you imagine stronger mayors like Walsh or Turner sounding so incomprehensible, unprofessional, almost Trumpian. 

 

And this is the guy leading the charge to keep Sherwin-Williams? 

 

Uh oh.

Hopefully SW sees the writing on the wall and that Jackson is gone soon so won't matter.

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9 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Boy, they really lit into him about the prospect of SW leaving town.

I’m still trying to figure out what the mayor’s treatment of the media concerning his nephew has to do with whether or not SW stays downtown. Remember, Frank Jackson has always given the media a cold shoulder. This is nothing new. Meanwhile, a decent amount of development has happened downtown during his 12 years in office.

I think it’s time for the author Mr Larkin (the author) to retire. He’s been doing this sh*t for too long!!

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2 hours ago, smimes said:

I know two people who work for SW. Their impression is that SW wouldn't leave the Cleveland region because that would mean uprooting all of the employees and a lot of employees would leave the company to stay with their families, which would then set the company back in terms of institutional knowledge. They think that the headquarters will be downtown to continue to attract talent, but that R&D would be in the suburbs. Apparently the R&D component requires freight truck deliveries which they couldn't see happening downtown. 

 

They also said parking is a huge deal for the downtown employees. Apparently if the employee's office is downtown, they have to pay for parking. But if the employee is based out of another office and just visiting the HQ or the Breen Tech Center then parking is complimentary, which apparently is annoying to the people who work downtown every day. My takeaway is that available parking is a big concern for the employees commuting into downtown. 

I don't understand why this is such a problem for downtown Cleveland. We have seas of parking lots but places like Cinci, Minneapolis, Columbus, I never here about complaints of parking as a reason to move fortune 500 companies to the suburbs. Are we in Cleveland seriously this obsessed with parking? 

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Why would parking be an issue. If Sherman Williams were to build its new HQ and R&D facility downtown then wouldn't a large parking structure be part of the overall design? And I'm sure SW would own their parking structure as well.

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17 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I don't understand why this is such a problem for downtown Cleveland. We have seas of parking lots but places like Cinci, Minneapolis, Columbus, I never here about complaints of parking as a reason to move fortune 500 companies to the suburbs. Are we in Cleveland seriously this obsessed with parking? 

 

I think it just sucks that along with taxes, health insurance, 401k, being deducted from your paycheck you also have to deduct parking on top of it. 

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9 minutes ago, NR said:

It is lousy, but both the Clinic and UH deduct parking as well. As lousy as it is, its not uncommon.

It is probably more common than people realize.  I work for Nationwide in downtown Columbus, and thankfully, I entered into a new building about 7 years ago where I got a parking pass for a garage next to my building automatically.  Yes I have to pay for it, but it is discounted heavily compared to a normal citizen wanting a space in this garage.  The upside also is that I can use this garage anytime I want.  Concerts, hockey, baseball, soon to be soccer games, North Market/Short North visits, etc so it's actually quite nice to have.  Additionally, if you work in the Plaza 1, Plaza 2 or Plaza 3 towers, you are put on a very long waiting list, that typically takes years before you can get the privilege of being able to still pay for a space in the nearby garages.  A large portion of workers still need to park many blocks away and walk.  When Chipotle builds their new offices with the mix use etc......I hope parking is taken into account as people are using these lots right now for that in many cases.

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48 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

I don't understand why this is such a problem for downtown Cleveland. We have seas of parking lots but places like Cinci, Minneapolis, Columbus, I never here about complaints of parking as a reason to move fortune 500 companies to the suburbs. Are we in Cleveland seriously this obsessed with parking? 

We have such a suburbanized culture here that even people who want to be in the city expect suburban amenities. That’s something a lot of us around here don’t like but it’s a fact. So in order for the city to be competitive, it does in some degree have to compete and at least attempt to match basic suburban amenities. The reality of having 59 municipalities 

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1 hour ago, TBideon said:

Yah, Cleveland is in a bit of trouble with this loser - and talk about pretty bad timing. Can you imagine stronger mayors like Walsh or Turner sounding so incomprehensible, unprofessional, almost Trumpian. 

 

And this is the guy leading the charge to keep Sherwin-Williams? 

 

Uh oh.

 

No, he's not. Thankfully. 

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1 hour ago, TBideon said:

And this is the guy leading the charge to keep Sherwin-Williams? 

Dang it KJP beat me to it.. but still.  No.  Sleepy Frank is not leading the charge.  I don’t know that he’s so much involved in the charge.

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On 9/17/2019 at 5:06 PM, Clefan98 said:

I can tell you they've been struggling to fill high-level tech positions. Go to their career site and browse available jobs. Most are in software development/software engineering and have been unfilled for quite some time. I fear this could be the #1 reason why an outside city has a chance in this race.

I'm a software developer in Columbus and a third party recruiter working on behalf of Sherwin Williams actually reached out to me in May about a senior Android development position up there.  At the time, I said I wasn't interested.  Out of curiosity, I reached back out to her today to see if she is still trying to fill that role.  Would they continue hiring as normal in Cleveland if they planned on uprooting their employees soon?

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59 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

No, he's not. Thankfully. 

Yeah, I get the sense that the Mayor's Office is not leading the charge on this project; just tagging along for the ride.

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I think we can all agree that it makes financial sense for Sherwin to stay in Cleveland.   If another city tries to offer incentives to move it would have to overcome the financial hit. 

Also, my guess is there is a big chunk of stock holders who have ties to Cleveland, so there is an emotional component to the decision as well.

 

So, is it impossible?  No, but its unlikely Sherwin is going anywhere unless someone gives an astronomical amount of money.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Yeah, I get the sense that the Mayor's Office is not leading the charge on this project; just tagging along for the ride.

 

So who is leading the charge for the tax abatements and incentives SW will surely be requiring?

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1 minute ago, troeros said:

 

So who is leading the charge for the tax abatements and incentives SW will surely be requiring?

My guess would be Joe Roman. 

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3 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

So who is leading the charge for the tax abatements and incentives SW will surely be requiring?

GCP, Mccormack, maybe the Port, Developers, High ranking officials of other companies probably with Cleveland pride hopefully.

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On 9/17/2019 at 5:06 PM, Clefan98 said:

I can tell you they've been struggling to fill high-level tech positions. Go to their career site and browse available jobs. Most are in software development/software engineering and have been unfilled for quite some time. I fear this could be the #1 reason why an outside city has a chance in this race.

I can also confirm the struggle to fill tech positions.  I've had a recruiter from another company flat out tell me they were struggling to convince devs to leave Columbus.  Not sure why you'd say that to a candidate that you're trying to make come to your city.  That being said, I left Columbus for that job for almost a year before another opportunity came up in Columbus, bringing me back.  If tech talent acquisition is truly an issue, why can't JobsOhio put together a package where the global HQ stays in downtown Cleveland and a new tech facility could be built in Columbus as part of OSU's huge new innovation district that they almost got Apple to anchor?  That way, thousands of HQ employees wouldn't need to be uprooted and would still be "close" to the tech facility.  I know that wouldn't be a best case scenario for Cleveland, but would be hell of a lot better than the lame outcome of the entire company heading to some other state.

 

Growing up in Cleveland, I hope to see a shiny new tower being built there soon.

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7 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

So who is leading the charge for the tax abatements and incentives SW will surely be requiring?

I'm not on the inside, but from the various responses I've seen from civic leadership, it's been pretty much all important stakeholders, except for the Mayor's Office.  Remember, they were the last to respond to the news.

 

KJP can probably provide better input from a local perspective.

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16 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I can also confirm the struggle to fill tech positions.  I've had a recruiter from another company flat out tell me they were struggling to convince devs to leave Columbus.  Not sure why you'd say that to a candidate that you're trying to make come to your city.  That being said, I left Columbus for that job for almost a year before another opportunity came up in Columbus, bringing me back.  If tech talent acquisition is truly an issue, why can't JobsOhio put together a package where the global HQ stays in downtown Cleveland and a new R&D or tech facility could be built in Columbus as part of OSU's huge new innovation district that they almost got Apple to anchor?  That way, thousands of HQ employees wouldn't need to be uprooted and would still be "close" to the R&D facility.  I know that wouldn't be a best case scenario for Cleveland, but would be hell of a lot better than the lame outcome of the entire company heading to some other state.

 

Growing up in Cleveland, I hope to see a shiny new tower being built there soon.

SW wants to consolidate the facilities, not spread them out so I don't think this plan is feasible. Also I don't find tech jobs as dire in Cleveland as some. I'd be curious to see what company is also struggling. I've done a lot of research for companies in the area and their career needs and tech jobs are usually minimal. It might just be SW is experiencing exponential growth and constantly having needs currently with said growth. It may be also they are having trouble hiring tech jobs at this current point, but not sure how feasible that is. Also that recruiter is awful haha.

 

This article states that there is plenty of room for growth. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/report-theres-a-tech-talent-surge-in-cleveland

 

That being said, I just reached out to some recruiter contacts to see their thoughts. Will report back once I hear more.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I'm not on the inside, but from the various responses I've seen from civic leadership, it's been pretty much all important stakeholders, except for the Mayor's Office.

 

KJP can probably provide better input from a local perspective.

I'm good with this.

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On 10/4/2018 at 10:42 AM, YABO713 said:

Sherwin Williams original store on Superior Ave - 1866

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First rendering of the new SHW campus! (was looking through historic photos on here and came across this gem, thanks @YABO713!)

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2 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

We have such a suburbanized culture here that even people who want to be in the city expect suburban amenities. That’s something a lot of us around here don’t like but it’s a fact. So in order for the city to be competitive, it does in some degree have to compete and at least attempt to match basic suburban amenities. The reality of having 59 municipalities 

 

Many of my clients (Fortune 500s) make employees pay for parking but purchase transit passes for them if they choose public transit—incentivizing multimodal transportation. I envision this practice only getting more common as companies adopt Paris Agreement targets. Risk of the suburban HQ. 

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The labor market is tight everywhere. I guess I just don’t buy that the reason Sherwin would leave would be they can’t find employees right now. NO ONE can fill their open positions.

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12 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

The labor market is tight everywhere. I guess I just don’t buy that the reason Sherwin would leave would be they can’t find employees right now. NO ONE can fill their open positions.

Right. Unemployment rate is around 4%.  And 4% was considered full employment when I was reading Economics for my degree 

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1 hour ago, Clevecane said:

 

Many of my clients (Fortune 500s) make employees pay for parking but purchase transit passes for them if they choose public transit—incentivizing multimodal transportation. I envision this practice only getting more common as companies adopt Paris Agreement targets. Risk of the suburban HQ. 

This wont be popular, but i think that is crazy. wanting free parking. 

 

 However, I wont be mad is SW moves out of Downtown. I could see a bunch of buildings on East 55 between Euclid and Cedar for a HQ Cluster of buildings.  

 

Would I love to see a super tower with SW on it, absolutely.  But I also like to see other neighborhood get some shine as the city recovers and reinvents itself.

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R&D can go here 🙃.  Still would have parking and truck access. Also, “looking forward the next 100 years”..  CityBlock tech hub/school could be a great feeder going forward in the new economy.

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54 minutes ago, marty15 said:

R&D can go here 🙃.  Still would have parking and truck access. Also, “looking forward the next 100 years”..  CityBlock tech hub/school could be a great feeder going forward in the new economy.

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I don’t care what anyone says, those are palm trees in that rendering.  I wouldn’t even be upset if we had them imported for 4 months a year.

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7 hours ago, Sapper Daddy said:

I don’t care what anyone says, those are palm trees in that rendering.  I wouldn’t even be upset if we had them imported for 4 months a year.

 

I was just thinking the exact same thing. Unbelievably beautiful building and would be a majestic transition between the beaux arts and more modern towers. But—what’s with the palm trees!? I left Miami because I was so sick of them! 🤣

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9 hours ago, marty15 said:

R&D can go here 🙃.  Still would have parking and truck access. Also, “looking forward the next 100 years”..  CityBlock tech hub/school could be a great feeder going forward in the new economy.

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What were the proposed dimensions of this building?

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19 minutes ago, ydard said:

I still love a well-executed post-modern tower.

Examples like PPG Place, One Detroit, & our very own US Bank Centre in PHS come to mind.

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