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3 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said:

Just received a cryptic text from another friend who is employed with Sherwin-Williams at their existing headquarters in Downtown Cleveland ...

 

See the screenshot I've attached. Evidently the CEO has reissued a GAG ORDER of sorts ... Telling company employees to basically shut tf up about any potential skyscraper!!!!!

 

Let the gnashing of teeth commence at once!

 

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This could also be due to Sherwin Williams not wanting to inflate land prices dramatically because of their desire to build a tower. I imagine that these type of transactions are pretty tight lipped, and this spreading wind could only create a larger obstacle for them. 

 

 

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The owners of the properties are already well aware. They have been since 2014-15.

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I’m surprised the Wikipedia article even includes the  SW headquarters - listing it at 669’ with completion over a 6 year range between 2019 and 2025.  Unless that was the height of a pre-Valspar tower that SW was once considering..  The article also has  Nucleus listed at 650’ and being completed in 2019, so we know the information is at best, not accurately updated - and, at worst, fake news.  

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43 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

I’m surprised the Wikipedia article even includes the  SW headquarters - listing it at 669’ with completion over a 6 year range between 2019 and 2025.  Unless that was the height of a pre-Valspar tower that SW was once considering..  The article also has  Nucleus listed at 650’ and being completed in 2019, so we know the information is at best, not accurately updated - and, at worst, fake news.  

Right, and seeing as how it’s Wikipedia maybe I jump on there and drop a one and a comma in front of that 669’.  That would make for some real excitement 😏

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22 minutes ago, Firenze98 said:

Interestingly, somebody jumped on and gave it a range of 700-1,300 ft tall.

That would make it the tallest or second tallest building in the city/state.

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3 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

That would make it the tallest or second tallest building in the city/state.

Anything over 1,121' would make it the tallest building in the country outside of NYC and Chicago.

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That would be awesome.  I'm hoping for the HQ to be at least 1,300ft or more, and the R&D(parking?) to be 500ft or taller.  

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5 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said:

Who is beyond the Listed Warehouse District Offices - 37 Stories %

Warehouse District Condo - 18 Stories

 

Is that the Dead Weston Development or Someone Else?

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This is where I bring this photo in, which was made years back. I kind of want to find this guy and give us an ultra realistic vision of Cleveland's skyline post lumen. I would love to see this amount of density.

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17 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Who is beyond the Listed Warehouse District Offices - 37 Stories %

Warehouse District Condo - 18 Stories

 

Is that the Dead Weston Development or Someone Else?

That's been there for a while, was a supposed component of the Weston superblock.


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1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Construction of that magnitude would require Turner or Gilbane, locally.

TOTALLY TRUE!

 

Per KJP blog article SHW RFQ was only sent to the Turner and Gilbane companies because they have the required expertise.

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Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters

CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees....

...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval....

https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper

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7 minutes ago, TPH2 said:

Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters

CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees....

...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval....

https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper

Thoughts on the "several other states" bit? Is there a chance some state/county/muni offers some knockout incentives to move (they are a publicly traded company after all)? Does anyone think they'd risk such a move?

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^"and several other states".  Now for all the crazy offers. I assume--and hope---that they are only saying 'other states" so that they will be eligible for any funding from the state of Ohio, which they otherwise would not be.

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39 minutes ago, TPH2 said:

Sherwin-Williams Explores Options for a New R&D Facility and a New Global Headquarters

CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019 – The Sherwin-Williams Company (NYSE: SHW) today announced it has initiated a process to explore options for a new R&D facility and a new global headquarters. This action comes as a result of the company’s ongoing review of its facilities requirements as it seeks to best meet the current and future needs of its customers and employees....

...As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states. Any transition to new facilities is not expected to occur until 2023 at the earliest and would require Board approval....

https://investors.sherwin-williams.com/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SWIR%2FSWIRLayout&cid=1385095432733&pagename=SWIRWrapper

 

Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams.

 

It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states!

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Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible.

 

Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city.

 

Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ...

 

C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline.

 

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38 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^"and several other states".  Now for all the crazy offers. I assume--and hope---that they are only saying 'other states" so that they will be eligible for any funding from the state of Ohio, which they otherwise would not be.

 

These guys are such shameless pigs. 

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On 9/6/2019 at 4:41 PM, Frmr CLEder said:

I don't think anyone on this board would be 100% satisfied with anything other than 26 Public Square as the new address for SW, but it's not our decision to make.

 

Well.....LOL.

 

Seriously, I agree downtown for the HQ, but still think Brecksville is a better idea for the R&D.

 

I know some of the execs like to "drop in" over there, but that's not necessarily a good thing for the people doing the work.   It's also what would be called a soft consideration.

 

Ever see a skyscraper have to be evacuated because of a toluene leak on the 27th floor?    Ever see a fire department/hazmat have to deal with it?

 

Ferro had their tech center in Independence partly for this reason.

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8 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said:

 

Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams.

 

It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states!

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Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible.

 

Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city.

 

Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ...

 

C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline.

 

I think you are reading a lot into what I see as a throw away sentence in a news release that really did not say much and which they were just pretty much pressured to release because of people like KJP pounding on them.

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Of course a company is going to say they are "exploring all options" with regards to making a move as big as this. I take these kinds of sentences in press releases like this with a grain of salt. I hope that KJP's scoop that the two local developers (Turner and Gilbane I believe) were the only ones contacted is true just to further prove the point that it is all a show by SHW and that they've already decided on staying in NEO at the minimum. I see little to no chance they move anywhere else.

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They can say "several other states" as much as they want, but unless they have a workforce already set up in those other states, that seems unlikely.  

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9 minutes ago, plinth857 said:

They can say "several other states" as much as they want, but unless they have a workforce already set up in those other states, that seems unlikely.  

Excellent point.  In fact I would imagine even a move to Minneapolis would result in hundreds of million in labor costs losts and lost of institutional memory for no good reason.

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2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Excellent point.  In fact I would imagine even a move to Minneapolis would result in hundreds of million in labor costs losts and lost of institutional memory for no good reason.

 

Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little. 

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38 minutes ago, John D. Baumgardner said:

 

Was there another earthquake in Cleveland? I definitely just felt quite a strong JOLT after reading this media release from Sherwin-Williams.

 

It's as exciting as it is frightening ... Especially the part about exploring options in other states!

😲

Unless, a 1,100 ft. tall skyscraper is poised to rise high above Valor Acres in Brecksville, hopefully this release is only a ploy from Sherwin-Williams to get as many large incentives from Ohio and local officials as possible.

 

Something of concern would be our prospering cousin city of Columbus, just 2 hour's south ... They'd do anything to lure a corporate goliath like S-W to their city.

 

Columbus is speeding ahead with an explosion in population and a very youthful and educated workforce ...

 

C-Bus forum denizens have been gnashing their teeth and salivating for YEAR'S AND YEAR'S to see a transformative SKYSCRAPER alter that city's skyline.

 

"As part of the exploratory process, Sherwin-Williams will consider multiple potential sites, including locations in Cleveland, Northeast Ohio and several other states." 

Columbus is not in NE Ohio, Cleveland, or another state. 

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14 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little. 

Coffee does that to me😉

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22 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Nonetheless - that phrase alone was enough to make me poop a little. 

By the way, I think that was the intent of the "team" that came up with the news release.  I can see them sitting around a conference table, all with little sinister grins on their faces, as they came up with the exact phrasing.

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1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

By the way, I think that was the intent of the "team" that came up with the news release.  I can see them sitting around a conference table, all with little sinister grins on their faces, as they came up with the exact phasing. 

 

Yeah strategically I don't think it would be smart to say "we're for sure staying" without an incentives package locked in.

 

Nonetheless, a move away from NEO would be dang near fatal to our local economy

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Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious  Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection.  (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The  city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees  SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible  that a huge corporation could make  what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen. 

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4 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious  Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection.  (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The  city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees  SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible  that a huge corporation could make  what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen. 

I believe KJP previously quoted Kerry McCormack saying that the city has already had discussions with SW and in his mind has put a very generous package together. 

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4 minutes ago, NewtoCLE said:

this was just tweeted by Ward 3 council man McCormack:

 

 

Wow, just as I was typing the above

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I think Cincinnati and Columbus would love to have SW HQ. I'm sure the same goes for most states and their major cities. 

 

While I'm sure SW is Keen on staying In Cleveland, for multiple reasons, I also believe they will be looking for massive tax breaks and incentives. 

 

This is kind of equivalent to Amazon HQ 2. Not nearly as many workers,  and new generated city tax income, but many cities will bend over backwards to lure in a new HQ the size of SW.

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^This seems pretty different from Amazon HQ2, which is being staffed from the ground up, not relocated. I'm not sure if there's been a recent equivalent to this kind of move. GE's workforce relocation was relatively tiny. Boeing, I guess, but they left tons behind in Seattle too, I think. 

 

 

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Sherwin+Williams+HQ+massing-from+lake-Ge

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019

Sherwin-Williams finally admits new HQ, R&D site search

 

After months of denials, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) finally has acknowledged publicly and officially that it is seeking a new home for its global headquarters and research-development facilities.

In a press release shared today, SHW Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John G. Morikis admitted what has been reported here at NEOtrans for nearly a year -- that the global coatings giant has outgrown its scattered offices throughout Greater Cleveland and is looking for a new HQ+R&D.

“The company’s significant growth and global expansion over the last several decades has resulted in a less than optimal configuration of headquarters, offices and R&D facilities across multiple locations,” Morikis said.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-finally-admits-new-hq.html

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1 minute ago, StapHanger said:

^This seems pretty different from Amazon HQ2, which is being staffed from the ground up, not relocated. I'm not sure if there's been a recent equivalent to this kind of move. GE's workforce relocation was relatively tiny. Boeing, I guess, but they left tons behind in Seattle too, I think. 

 

 

 

True, I was more referencing to the impact it will have for most cities to land a new HQ the size of SW. 

 

It was being discussed how it might be a labor cost strain in order for SW to relocate all of their work staff/new hires to staff the HQ...but I'm wondering if they receive tax cuts/incentives if it will balance out the labor costs?

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19 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Not to be a contrarian here, but I’m a cautious  Cleveland supporter...The leadership of the city of Cleveland should not assume that the SW announcement is just a misdirection.  (Even though it may in fact be a leverage play) The  city should aggressively move to put together the most attractive deal that guarantees  SW’s new world headquarters is built downtown. Despite the historical connection between SW and Northeast Ohio, I think it’s not impossible  that a huge corporation could make  what seems an unthinkable move - if there’s enough motivation from a competing city, be it Columbus, Minneapolis or someone else. So here’s to Cleveland leadership remaining aggressive and closing the deal. Imagine the impact of SW locating downtown in that mighty new world headquarters on public square - that cannot be allowed to not happen. 

 

I'm sure the Mayor will get right on that after completing more fake interviews about his family matters....🙄

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2 minutes ago, KJP said:

Sherwin+Williams+HQ+massing-from+lake-Ge

 

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019

Sherwin-Williams finally admits new HQ, R&D site search

 

After months of denials, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) finally has acknowledged publicly and officially that it is seeking a new home for its global headquarters and research-development facilities.

In a press release shared today, SHW Chairman and Chief Executive Officer John G. Morikis admitted what has been reported here at NEOtrans for nearly a year -- that the global coatings giant has outgrown its scattered offices throughout Greater Cleveland and is looking for a new HQ+R&D.

“The company’s significant growth and global expansion over the last several decades has resulted in a less than optimal configuration of headquarters, offices and R&D facilities across multiple locations,” Morikis said.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/09/sherwin-williams-finally-admits-new-hq.html

Why are we making renderings in downtown when time and time again companies continue to leave Cleveland for other states or NEO suburbs? 

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2 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Here come the trolls. Smh

The possibility of Sherwin leaving Cleveland proper is very real. Don't even start with this troll accusation. The Jackson administration has an awful reputation with corporate business downtown. I can't even count the number of huge corporate headquarters the city has lost to not only other states, but to its blood sucking suburbs.

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3 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Why are we making renderings in downtown when time and time again companies continue to leave Cleveland for other states or NEO suburbs? 

Because they are awesome.  What a depressing world to live in without dreams.  Good luck to you sir

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2 minutes ago, marty15 said:

How many employees did BP have here when they left for Chicago?

Lots but completely different situation.  Amoco merged with BP.

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