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My father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate, told me that SW is leaving Cleveland..

 

Sorry.. but if they did leave I would not be surprised.

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All of us who want Sherwin-Williams HQ and R&D to stay downtown should be asking what the city is willing and able to do to keep them there. Please contact the mayor's office, council and even the county executive/council about this.

 

I write this because Digeronimo Co. and the City of Brecksville are putting on a very strong push to get both the HQ and R&D to relocate to Valor Acres, the former VA Hospital site. From what I understand from sources at Sherwin-Williams, they are taking this very seriously. I'd write a blog about this but I'm in Ukraine until next week and this needs attention before I can return and make more noise about it.

 

So please, write to your city and county officials. The county should be involved because they will end up having to subsidize new infrastructure in Brecksville and address the fiscal void left behind in Cleveland if SHW leaves. And an HQ at the county line likely means the loss of more residents to Summit and Medina counties.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

All of us who want Sherwin-Williams HQ and R&D to stay downtown should be asking what the city is willing and able to do to keep them there. Please contact the mayor's office, council and even the county executive/council about this.

 

I write this because Digeronimo Co. and the City of Brecksville are putting on a very strong push to get both the HQ and R&D to relocate to Valor Acres, the former VA Hospital site. From what I understand from sources at Sherwin-Williams, they are taking this very seriously. I'd write a blog about this but I'm in Ukraine until next week and this needs attention before I can return and make more noise about it.

 

So please, write to your city and county officials. The county should be involved because they will end up having to subsidize new infrastructure in Brecksville and address the fiscal void left behind in Cleveland if SHW leaves. And an HQ at the county line likely means the loss of more residents to Summit and Medina counties.

This is totally disturbing and even though I don’t live in Cleveland I will write/call/email/whatever any and all city officials to help stir the pot. It would be great for us outside Ohio if someone could list the names of appropriate people we should contact. I have no idea how this process works at SW but based on your post it seems like there have been in depth serious negotiations/discussions going on between Digeronimo & SW so this shouldn’t be news to Cleveland city officials right? I mean they must be aware and if so already on top of things with a kick ass offering loaded with incentives to make sure SW stays in Cleveland.  I can’t imagine there wouldn’t be high level established relationships between SW & Cleveland city officials, no? Maybe these are just preliminary discussions before SW issues a formal RFP?  My experience with large corporate clients in California is that this process is just part of their due diligence and I’m hoping that this is the case here with SW & Digeronimo. Otherwise this is absurd. 

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Contact info is at each of the links....

 

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson:

http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/MayorsOffice

 

Cleveland City Council:

Focus on Council President Kevin Kelley, Ward 3's Kerry McCormack (ward includes downtown), and Tony Brancatelli (chairman of council's Development Planning & Sustainability Committee)

http://www.clevelandcitycouncil.org/

 

County Executive Armond Budish:

http://executive.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/Contact.aspx

 

Cuyahoga County Council:

Focus on Dan Brady who is president of the council and whose district includes downtown and Jack Schron who chairs the Economic Development and Planning Committee

http://council.cuyahogacounty.us/en-US/council-members.aspx

 

 

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7 hours ago, KJP said:

All of us who want Sherwin-Williams HQ and R&D to stay downtown should be asking what the city is willing and able to do to keep them there. Please contact the mayor's office, council and even the county executive/council about this.

 

I write this because Digeronimo Co. and the City of Brecksville are putting on a very strong push to get both the HQ and R&D to relocate to Valor Acres, the former VA Hospital site. From what I understand from sources at Sherwin-Williams, they are taking this very seriously. I'd write a blog about this but I'm in Ukraine until next week and this needs attention before I can return and make more noise about it.

 

So please, write to your city and county officials. The county should be involved because they will end up having to subsidize new infrastructure in Brecksville and address the fiscal void left behind in Cleveland if SHW leaves. And an HQ at the county line likely means the loss of more residents to Summit and Medina counties.

 

I didn't want to say anything because my sources are second hand (at least) and off the record (and it's not what people here will want to hear), but Brecksville seems to think they're likely to get this...and that their main competition is not downtown but out of state.  They are also of the opinion that the UC VA more or less absorbed their site, and are not inclined to be accommodating

TBH, the way downtown is going it would  be easier to fill the SW niche downtown than it would be for Brecksville to fill the VA site.

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^The parking lots in the Warehouse District gives us a good indication how hard it would be to overcome the loss of SW. Also, I couldn’t care less about filling the VA site in Brecksville. We can’t let SW leave downtown. 

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10 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

I didn't want to say anything because my sources are second hand (at least) and off the record (and it's not what people here will want to hear), but Brecksville seems to think they're likely to get this...and that their main competition is not downtown but out of state.  They are also of the opinion that the UC VA more or less absorbed their site, and are not inclined to be accommodating

TBH, the way downtown is going it would  be easier to fill the SW niche downtown than it would be for Brecksville to fill the VA site.

The out of state contention seems very strange to me.

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37 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

.... They are also of the opinion that the UC VA more or less absorbed their site, and are not inclined to be accommodating

 

 

what is the "UC VA"?

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They better not leave. Would be such a slap in the face to the city that helped build their fortune as the #1 coatings company in the world. But yeah, Cleveland also needs to put in some effort to keep em.

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2 minutes ago, CLE_Millennial said:

They better not leave. Would be such a slap in the face to the city that helped build their fortune as the #1 coatings company in the world. But yeah, Cleveland also needs to put in some effort to keep em.

 

They wouldn't see it as leaving, and other than urbanists and downtown advocates, neither will too many others.

 

County government's not about to take sides, it's up to the city.

 

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^True, the county must be impartial. However, given the southern location, that means, as KJP said, people will move into summit and medina counties--so the county would lose population, so its in the county's interest to not support a move from Downtown to a southern suburb.

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6 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

They wouldn't see it as leaving, and other than urbanists and downtown advocates, neither will too many others.

 

County government's not about to take sides, it's up to the city.

 

Wor

I work with county development a lot. They are definitely partial to downtown development and they do not make that a secret. However, if there is outside the county competition then they will definitely just be happy for any site in the county.

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7 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

They wouldn't see it as leaving, and other than urbanists and downtown advocates, neither will too many others.

 

County government's not about to take sides, it's up to the city.

 

Wor

 

Are you sure about that?

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There would be an uproar if SW left Cleveland. The city should (and will) do everything it can to keep them here but it’s hard to believe they would make such a backwards decision. I hope this is just them doing their due diligence 

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2 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

There would be an uproar if SW left Cleveland. The city should (and will) do everything it can to keep them here but it’s hard to believe they would make such a backwards decision. I hope this is just them doing their due diligence 

I feel they sort of have to do their due diligence, how else could they maximize the incentives they receive?  However, it still is a reason for concern.

 

I emailed Dan Brady, Jack Schron, Kevin Kelley and Kerry McCormack.  Is there even a point to emailing asleep at the wheel Frank?

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8 minutes ago, Sapper Daddy said:

I feel they sort of have to do their due diligence, how else could they maximize the incentives they receive?  However, it still is a reason for concern.

 

I emailed Dan Brady, Jack Schron, Kevin Kelley and Kerry McCormack.  Is there even a point to emailing asleep at the wheel Frank?

This is definitely concerning news. I’m cautiously optimistic that emailing will show the support of the community, so I hope that the more people who reach out, the better.

 

Shouldn’t we also email the Downtown Cleveland Alliance folks? I feel like they would have a big say/would be big advocates for making sure SW stays in downtown....

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I emailed Kerry McCormack and Tony Brancatelli. Losing Progressive because the city wouldn't build a parking platform was a terrible blunder. Losing Eaton because the mayor didn't put enough emphasis on helping them make the Flats site work was terribly short-sighted. Losing SW would be a real kick in the ass to all of the recent downtown renewal. 

 

What really concerns me is lack of political leadership here. This is a high stakes game. Cleveland cannot lose SW because its politicians were either asleep at the wheel or to incompetent to do what is necessary. 

 

I think our only real shot is if SW would actually prefer to remain downtown. They stay ONLY because it's what they prefer and not because the city figured out a way to keep them. 

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What I posted in this thread early this morning was also shared by me on Twitter. It got me followed by Vic Digeronimo Jr. (@vicdigjr). Based on his profile pic and many of his posts, I'm pretty sure he's not a practicing urbanist. 😉 FWIW, the county's official Twitter account also followed me.

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I sent my email to the mayor’s office- I know, on its own, that it has no cache.  But hopefully, there will be many others including those with more important voices reminding our leadership that losing SW downtown is really not acceptable. This proud city has done much to shake off its old, unfairly negative image and has some real momentum  but it’s still in a fight for its continued relevancy and Renaissance in the 21st century. I hope there is a sense of urgency on the part of city leadership to do whatever is creatively possible to keep this corporation downtown. (And I sure wouldn’t mind seeing a new tower rise on public square!) 

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^^ Via indirect means I've come across the Digeronimo's once or twice. They seemed like decent enough people, but  are also firmly entrenched in the 'why wouldn't everyone want to live in a McMansion on a 5 acre plot. It's a sign you've made it.' mentality.  Needless to say, they are also very well connected.

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Hopefully this is just a negotiating ploy.  I've read that Eaton has regretted it's move to the suburbs and is struggling to attract talent as a result.  Saving a few bucks moving to the suburbs is great - until you cannot attract the talent that will help keep your organization competitive.  Young talented people want to live and work in a vibrant downtown (or worst case, close-in suburbs - i.e., not Brecksville).    Hopefully the SHWs team is smart, recognizes this trend and doesn't shoot themselves in the foot by doing something to save $$s that is short-sighted.

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3 minutes ago, ydard said:

I very much regret to say this, but the CEO lives in Brecksville.

I would be more concerned if he lived in Dallas

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13 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said:

If SW hadn’t acquired Valspar, we’d be looking at a half-built skyscraper by this point. I wish they hadn’t made that deal. 

Made them stronger. May get bigger skyscraper now. Move Valspar employees to Cleveland and have Cleveland on the winning side of the deal for a change.

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1 minute ago, Mildtraumatic said:

Made them stronger. May get bigger skyscraper now. Move Valspar employees to Cleveland and have Cleveland on the winning side of the deal for a change.

Minneapolis is try’na steal your date. She’s a 10 and smart and we’re a 6 with issues. 

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2 minutes ago, jfristik said:

Victory Capital Holdings announced this year that they will move their HQ to San Antonio... one of the cited reasons is attracting talent. it's a sad loss as they are growing very rapidly

 

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/01/10/1686344/0/en/Victory-Capital-to-Move-Headquarters-to-San-Antonio-Texas.html

It seems that this is the element that alludes most people surprised by our job loss, loss of businesses and population decline. Talent is what drives economics. Talent is notoriously picky. They will not live in a podunk town when there is an alternative that is more attractive. Businesses must go where they are more likely to attract talent. 

 

Did you think Minneapolis was just gonna hand over those jobs? Nah, they’re gonna work the talent angle. That city is out there hustling to grow. 

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 1, 2019

HQ, R&D search shrouded in a fog of Sherwin-Williams rumors

 

If you try to go whaling in the ocean of rumors for Sherwin Williams' (SHW) headquarters and research/development facilities, bring two things with you: hip waders and a fog lamp. Unfortunately, at this early stage, neither of those are going to help you make much sense of so much conflicting, disorienting information in trying to catch The Whale, aka SHW's HQ and R&D facilities.

Apart from Amazon's HQ2, which Cleveland didn't seem to have a strong chance at winning, it's been a long time since Cleveland real estate firms had a shot at The Big Get, or what's called in real estate circles "A Whale."

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/08/hq-r-search-shrounded-in-fog-of-sherwin.html

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I would be OK with a low rise live / work campus on Scranton Peninsula  - akin to Nationwide in Columbus

 

(But this is the Jacob's lot thread not the SW HQ thread.....sorry)

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Thanks for the update @KJP. Thank god, according to your report, that the GCP  and other "big shots" are working to keep them downtown. The loss of a Fortune 500 company to the burbs because the CEO lives there and might think it "convenient" is unacceptable and it should be all-hands-on-deck and then some to get this to happen. Let's hope the rumor that Jacobs being the only location they're considering is true. My optimism tells me that for how much they've already bolstered the city/downtown job market through the "tough times", they wouldn't want to undo all of that by taking everything out of downtown. My pessimism tells me that the personal interests of a few will get in the way.

 

Edit: Although, by the wording of the article, it makes it seem as though Vocon is developing plans for SW to build in downtown no matter if R&D is separated or not. Is this the case because Valor Acres has already been designed, or because SW is staying downtown?

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Long time reader, first time to reply.    Not too long ago @KJP asked that we follow up with local government, which I did, asking them to do what they can to keep SW in Cleveland.  The only response I received was from Anthony Brancatelli, who stated:  "Thanks for contacting me regarding Sherwin Williams.  The City of Cleveland made an incredibly generous offer for them to build on Public Square.  If they turn it down, then it is on them for leaving Cleveland."  

 

 

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