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Can someone contact Steve Litt and make him aware of this? I think he would be interested in this story, especially if someone representing an historic preservation or urban redevelopment group took a counter-view to that of the parking-obsessed Clinic. I'd love to do it, but am unable due to my employment.

 

Consider using some of the arguments I raised in two separate posts a couple of pages ago.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I missed that! Glad to hear he's on it.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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From Steve Litt's blog yesterday:

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/

 

Fate of Cleveland Clinic's Art Deco building to be decided Thursday

Posted by Steven Litt/Plain Dealer Architecture Critic March 05, 2008 16:51PM

 

Keep it or pitch it? The future of the Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine Building near University Circle at East 105th Street and Carnegie Avenue will be decided Thursday.

 

Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine

 

The OCPM building could be demolished later this year and replaced with a parking lot...

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I'm speechless... You don't have to pay off people. Fear of the Cleveland Clinic, or simply thinking they can do no wrong is probably what's at work here.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I think the thing that bothers me the most about this is that I know I will hate whatever they end up putting there.  I know the Clinic says that they are planning to eventually build on this spot, but the Clinic has yet to build something I actually like.  The fact that it is going to sit as a parking lot for an undetermined amount of time while they decide if and what they want to put there just frustrates me even more.  No matter what the long term situation for this land is, destroying that building is a terrible idea. 

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Its a shame.  For all the great things the Clinic is to this community, at times like these, you see their extreme arrogance toward Cleveland on full display.

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WTF? Keep the employees happy? Glad to see the frustration above.

 

Cleveland Clinic wins approval to demolish Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine building

Posted by Steven Litt/Plain Dealer Architecture Critic

 

It's curtains for the Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine Building in University Circle.

 

The Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine Building will be demolished as soon as the Cleveland Clinic gets a permit from the Cleveland Building Department...

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/architecture/2008/03/_its_curtains_for_the.html

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^^ yeesh, my bad. Thanks MTS; I need to read the search results more thoroughly I see. It's a bit curious why it doesn't show up until the 4 or 5 result, but oh well.

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Aside from perhaps the Warehouse District and Steelyard Commons, the area along 105th and Carnegie might already be the most surface-parking riddled areas in the city.

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"a green initiative launched under Clinic Chief Executive Officer Dr. Delos "Toby" Cosgrove."

 

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"a green initiative launched under Clinic Chief Executive Officer Dr. Delos "Toby" Cosgrove."

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"a green initiative launched under Clinic Chief Executive Officer Dr. Delos "Toby" Cosgrove."

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After the meeting, Smith said that demolition debris would be segregated and recycled to the greatest extent possible, as part of a green initiative launched under Clinic Chief Executive Officer Dr. Delos "Toby" Cosgrove.

 

 

You don't get "green" do you Toby? A) Energy Intensive Destruction B) No reuse C) Encouragement of Car dependent life-style

 

Up yours Toby.

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Let's see how full that piece of shit parking lot is in 2009 when gas prices are $5 per gallon. Gee, even though the Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine building probably wouldn't make a good office building or research facility, you think that maybe it might make for decent housing? ? ? That way people don't have to drive to get to work at the Cleveland Clinic? ? ? ? ?

 

I know, it's an amazing concept fellas, but your employees might actually get some exercise, save some cash by not paying for gasoline and won't have to foul the air with car exhaust. You can still work for the Cleveland Clinic if you inhale more carbon monoxide from a car's exhaust pipe, but if you inhale it from a tobacco pipe, you're FIRED!?!? OK.......

 

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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What I don't get is, these health nazis want to ban trans fats and make us eat whole grain crap for every meal, but they don't understand the basic importance of sustainability.

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I dunno, but that new rounded building going up at the Clinic looks like it'd fit right in along I-271 or down in Independence.  The trouble with any and every hospital is that they get developed in fits and starts over decades, so that buildings of different architectural styles are often attached, and it's usually a mish-mosh of different era buildings.  Metro is the same way, albeit in an even blander sense.  The only way a hospital is going to really be good architecturally is a new greenfield hospital, though the drawings I've seen of the Lake County Hospital look pretty uninspired too.  Perhaps it's a bit too much of form following function?

 

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^I agree that hospitals have unique programming constraints that might make design more difficult, but the incremental campus building is no different from universities or other large institutions.  The Clinic's problems are uninspiring architect choices and poor siting; the same reason so many non-hospital projects go wrong.  And I agree that UH is no worse than the Clinic.

 

For UH, I don't actually think their building designs are so bad, I just don't understand why they need that patch of lawn between the cancer hospital and Euclid.  A two story retail building with medical or admin offices tacked onto the Euclid frontage might obscure the cancer center's grand sweeping curves from those driving by on Euclid, but it sure would make Euclid a nicer street.  Could also help better enclose the healing garden too.

 

It's also unfortunate that UH's big swath of fallow land faces Euclid- but to their huge credit, at least it's not all surface lots like at the Clinic.

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^UH really has no room for surface lots. They are seriously landlocked. But that doesn't keep them from building some surburbo-fabulous front lawns!

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One of the main differences between the UH "front lawn" and those along Euclid on the Clinic's campus is that the "urban park" is designed to be just that.  It is designed to be usable green space, with benches, public art, shade trees, and pathways to get from the sidewalks to the buildings.  The Clinic's lawns are more buffers between the street and the buildings with no other real function.  It's not like any patients are going to be laying out sunning themselves on the Cole Eye Institute's front lawn... 

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I heard about two years ago that the gas station owner refused to sell his property to the Clinic.

 

Funny you mentioned that just before this came out from the PD (http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1208593935262640.xml&coll=2&thispage=1):

 

VACANT GAS STATION SITS ON PRIME SPOT

Saturday, April 19, 2008

Laura Johnston

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

At the entrance to University Circle, framed by the boom of Cleveland Clinic construction and the stately expression of culture, an eyesore festers.

 

Built around 1969, the abandoned gas station on the southwest corner of Chester Avenue and East 105th Street has sat empty for nearly a decade...

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I took a fair number of pictures at CCF today, included are pictures of the new Heart Pavilion, the  new driveway, and various other things that can be seen from high in the air.

 

The future driving loop in front of CCF. What I find interesting is that the spaces under the dark gray pavement is hollow. I wish I had taken before pictures, but my impression is that these are bunkers/animal testing facilities. (I've talked to enough doctors who say such places are kept well out of site these days)

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The New Fountain

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The New Clinic Entrance

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More photos available at: http://picasaweb.google.com/originaljbw/ClevelandClinic02/

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Oh yeah, additionally, the rooftop garden space on The Sydell and Arnold Miller Family Pavilion will be managed by the Intercontinental Hotel as a premier banquet space. Who said rooftop party?

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Ok, I understand how the fountain will look in front of the new Heart Center but the driveway leading to the heart center in the first pic, will that be a long stretching reflecting pond?  If anyone has any renderings of what it will look like when completed please post

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I took a fair number of pictures at CCF today, included are pictures of the new Heart Pavilion, the  new driveway, and various other things that can be seen from high in the air.

 

 

Thanks for posting these!  I can't help but be skeptical of any Clinic campus project given its track record, but this one seems a bit more promising.  I really look forward to seeing how this pans out.  Hopefully the landcape structure will encourage better uses of the surrounding land (smaller setbacks, etc.).

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What I find interesting is that the spaces under the dark gray pavement is hollow. I wish I had taken before pictures, but my impression is that these are bunkers/animal testing facilities. (I've talked to enough doctors who say such places are kept well out of site these days)

 

Though I don't have an answer as to what it really is, I don't think that those underground portions of the allee have anything to do with animal testing.  That all happens in a completely different building, and I haven't heard of it moving out of there.

 

It could be for the equipment needed to run and maintain the reflecting pools.  It could be for a future tunnel, connecting that garage to another part of the Clinic.  It most probably is not for animal testing, though.

 

Ok, I understand how the fountain will look in front of the new Heart Center but the driveway leading to the heart center in the first pic, will that be a long stretching reflecting pond?  If anyone has any renderings of what it will look like when completed please post

 

Yes, it's going to be a reflecting pool.  The northbound and southbound lanes are on either side.

 

Edit: Correcting my horrible grammar mistakes.

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Though I don't have an answer as to what it really is, I don't think that those underground portions of the allee have anything to do with animal testing.  That all happens in a completely different building, and I haven't heard of it moving out of there.

It could be for the equipment needed to run and maintain the reflecting pools.  It could be for a future tunnel, connecting that garage to another part of the Clinic.  It most probably is not for animal testing, though.

 

Don't take away my conspiracy theories!

 

Additionally, the trees that will line the streets are currently parked behind the big parking garage on the edge of chester (around 89th).

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Lookit that, I actually have something to contribute, today...  :-)

 

The pictures are terrible; I only had my phone with me at the time, but, here are four shots of the Clinic's new front door, which opened on Monday:

 

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This is the whole front foyer, following the curve of the heart center.

 

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I was trying to show how... gandiose... it seems, with this.

 

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That divider wall in the back isn't hiding anything, but the re-route corridor is back there while they work on the M lobby  (you have to take the corridor behind that frosted glass wall now to get from H to S).

 

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Coming soon. :)

 

I'll get better pictures for you, soon.  I was also worried I might not be able to take these, but it seems to be permitted.  Enjoy.

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^Toby Cosgrove LOVES white.  White tears at the very fabric of my soul.  I did a good bit of work at the Health Space building (the old health museum), and I had to mentally prepare myself everytime I walked in there for the flood of white that was about to overcome me.

 

EDIT: Thanks For the Pics!

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I feel like I've suddenly been transported to somewhere in northern Europe with all the white expansiveness.....  Maybe they've got some decor yet to go up.....  Looks spiffy, though!

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Everyone hates this stuff (people whined, endlessly, when they remodeled the G-lobby), but I like it.  It looks like a modern (dare I say, futuristic) hospital, now and not some steel tycoon's long-forgotten mansion.

 

Yes, I know that appeals to some people. :)

 

Oh, and there is a bit more wood-paneling and turquoise paint (along with that frosted glass).  I guess I didn't get that shot.

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I'm sure that they'll add some nice art to the walls. The Clinic is very good at doing that. I love walking around and looking at some of the stuff that they have.

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Looks like something out of Logan's Run. I HATE Logan's Run.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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