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Oh great plan. Several blocks full of blocks. How original!  :|

 

Didn't I say they were just massings? They only reflect a possible scale of proposed development, not the style or shape. No need to get bent out of shape yet -- that will likely come later if the Clinic continues its practice of sterile architecture.


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I'm not going to say I'm enthused with their design or placement of buildings, but it is worth noting that this master plan gets rid of pretty much all their surface parking, putting it into parking garages, and fills most of that space with either buildings or greenspace.  Their campus is at least maturing into and utilizing the space they've already acquired.  In that respect, it's exciting.

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I will say that the whole "Green Spine" idea is half baked.  I never seems to go more than a block without being interrupted by a building.  Pretty pointless.

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^ You're right, but I'd rather they try to keep more green space in the middle of the blocks and surrounded by buildings, instead of stupid pointless yards between the streets and buildings.

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grrr...so the original clinic building is not good enough to leave standing?  No appreciation of heritage??

 

ADA compliance issues maybe? 

 

 

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Future development coming to Chester Avenue at East 89th Street? Shame to see these great old Cleveland houses lost.

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Future development coming to Chester Avenue at East 89th Street? Shame to see these great old Cleveland houses lost.

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That's actually an addiction treatment center.  If you look at a map, CCF or related uses taking over this chunk was inevitable.

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Well, CC is consistent if nothing else. Consistently unimaginative. Some architect actually collected a fee for this....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/02062015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for February 6, 2015

 

EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW

EC2015-002 – Cleveland Clinic E. 105th Street Parking Garage New Construction

Project Location: Cedar Avenue and East 105th Street

Project Representatives: Brian Smith, Cleveland Clinic

Megan Dibner-Dunlap, Bostwick Design

 

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Yeesh. Even by Cleveland Clinic standards, this is awful.

 

There really ought to be a mock annual award ceremony, like an architectural version of the Razzys. Maybe public shaming will have an effect on Cleveland Clinic and CSU and the other habitual offenders.

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I didn't deduce this from the renderings but for whatever it's worth, there's this with the new garage:

 

"To fit better within the projected neighborhood, the garage is designed to incorporate 12,000 to 15,000 square feet of retail on the first floor of its frontages on East 105th Street and Cedar Avenue"

 

Clinic seeks approval to build a new, 3,000-space parking garage at University Circle's edge

http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/02/clinic_seeks_approval_to_build.html#incart_river

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Projected neighborhood? What does that mean?? Is that in reference to what Fairfax as proposed for the areas along East 105th south of the Clinic?

 

And if they wanted it to fit in with the neighborhood, at least could have made it look more interesting. I posted lots of pics on this forum of more passable, even attractive garages. Sometimes I wonder if the Clinic's architects have ever heard of the term "best practices"!


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From the aritcle:

 

"Designs prepared by the Bostwick Design Partnership of Cleveland show that the garage would have 12-foot-eight-inch ceilings on the ground floor where retail spaces could be inserted in the future."

 

Funny. But in the meantime we'll just leave them as parking spaces.

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Well, CC is consistent if nothing else. Consistently unimaginative. Some architect actually collected a fee for this....

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/02062015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for February 6, 2015

 

EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW

EC2015-002 – Cleveland Clinic E. 105th Street Parking Garage New Construction

Project Location: Cedar Avenue and East 105th Street

Project Representatives: Brian Smith, Cleveland Clinic

Megan Dibner-Dunlap, Bostwick Design

 

 

:-D :clap:

 

 

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The Cleveland Clinic Just Doesn’t Get it

Angie Schmitt

10 FEBRUARY 2015

 

Disappointing but not entirely surprising news from the Cleveland Clinic. Cleveland’s largest employer recently announced that it is closing Lakewood Hospital, in the cozy inner ring suburb, as it expands operations in sprawling Avon. This seems to be fitting with the nonprofit’s model of building a new hospital at every interchange opened in the sprawling hinterlands while winding down its hospital locations in the more populous areas of the region. All these hospitals, despite being entirely inaccessible outside of a private vehicle, are LEED certified for their “green” building practices.

 

The Cleveland Clinic doesn’t seem to value being part of a connected, urban community a whole lot, although to its credit, it did sponsor the Healhline, Cleveland’s award winning BRT.

 

The latest news from the Clinic is that it will spend $36 million to construct a 3,000-space parking garage on the southwest edge of its campus. The structure is about what you would expect. Not much of a boon for the neighborhood for the steep pricetag, not much of an advance for healthcare either. The Plain Dealer notes that this garage will be fed by the new $331 million “Opportunity Corridor” highway that will direct commuters from the south and western suburbs to campus.

 

I wish the Cleveland Clinic was embracing sustainable transportation and trying to make its campus and attractive, livable place. But that doesn’t seem to be the hospital’s M.O. at all. My architect friends jokingly call the Cleveland Clinic campus “Little Dubai.” The campus basically consists of a bunch of monolithic institutional buildings with a lot of dead space in between. It’s not really a community. It’s not really walkable. It’s not really an inviting or fun place to be.

 

MORE:

http://rustwire.com/2015/02/10/the-cleveland-clinic-just-doesnt-get-it/


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I more often than not find myself agreeing with Angie, but I almost feel like her advocacy is counterproductive due to the overly combative tone she uses her pieces.

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I more often than not find myself agreeing with Angie, but I almost feel like her advocacy is counterproductive due to the overly combative tone she uses her pieces.

 

She comes across like she interned with Bartimole.

 

I wonder if she even knows that "Little Dubai" has connotations that could be considered racist.

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I see what you are both saying. And I agree the piece doesn't have the most diplomatic of tones. That said, I liked the fact that she proposed numerous alternative policies and projects the Clinic could be undertaking instead of (or in addition to) the garage. That took it out of the realm of just criticism and turned it into constructive criticism, which is something we don't see nearly enough of these days. Was this perfectly written? Absolutely not. But I liked it enough that I'm about to forward it to a few family and friends that I've had similar conversations with.

 

As for the Little Dubai part, that never occurred to me until you pointed it out. I've since reread it a few times and even now, I really don't see it as having racial connotations. She properly prefaces the comment by mentioning that it is a moniker used by her architect friends. Further, she goes on to describe exactly why they do so when she states that the Clinic campus is "a bunch of monolithic institutional buildings with a lot of dead space in between. It’s not really a community. It’s not really walkable. It’s not really an inviting or fun place to be." That adequately conveys that "Little Dubai" has nothing to do with people... let alone with their race, nationality, religion, etc. Instead, the name has everything to do with architecture and urban planning.

 

Personally, I think both Houston's Energy Corridor and the Las Vegas Strip could share in most of that description. Each is also "a bunch of monolithic institutional buildings with a lot of dead space in between. It’s not really a community. It’s not really walkable. It's not really an inviting or fun place to be." OK, scratch the "not fun" part off for Vegas. :-) Regardless, should calling someplace a "Little Energy Corridor" or a "Little Vegas Strip" be taken with racist connotations? Of course not. Should either reference be avoided simply because someone could take them the wrong way? No. These days someone could be offended by almost everything. In my humble opinion, the author and her friends are using an apt nickname for the Clinic's campus, and she did a fine job of explaining precisely why.

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I always laugh when someone says The Cleveland Clinic campus is not a fun place to be.  I don't know of any hospital that one would ever describe as a fun place.  Most of us would be happy not to have to be there. 

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I always laugh when someone says The Cleveland Clinic campus is not a fun place to be.  I don't know of any hospital that one would ever describe as a fun place.  Most of us would be happy not to have to be there. 

 

Akron Children's Hospital is a fun place! Isn't it important to make hospital environs as pleasant as possible?

 

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I've been critical of several of Angie's articles in the past but I think she did a good job this time around. She made her criticisms but also offered possible solutions to mitigate some of the problems. I've been saying for years the Clinic's disconnect with their "commitment to wellness" and actual business practices is laughable. 

 

I remember the self-congratulatory puffery when they eliminated the McDonald's on main campus and instituted smoking bans on employees - "look at us, we're promoting WELLNESS!!!". However, when it comes to addressing the health impacts of an autocentric/sedentary lifestyle, suddenly it's "well, we're just (insert the 'giving our customers what they want' diatribe)" and build yet another massive parking garage at main campus or 'health center' that's LEED certified. :roll: Yippee, it's LEED certified - in a vacuum. A far-flung, out of Cuyahoga County, asphalt-surrounded (former woodlands/wetlands), unreachable by transit and even if there is a transit stop, the building itself is situated so far off the road it's pointless, vacuum. Honestly, I just wish they'd have the decency to stop with the lip service. Every life deserves world class care - unless they can't drive there.

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I could be wrong but I *think* E Rocc said that in jest.

 

Not entirely.  I've heard it called "Little Arabia" back in the late 80s or early 90s, meaning there were lots of Arab patients and the work was done by Indians.  A somewhat sophisticated analogy, but at least slightly racist.  "Little Dubai" adds some subtlety, but...

 

I'm pretty sure if one of Angie's opponents said that she'd be all righteous about it.

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I've been critical of several of Angie's articles in the past but I think she did a good job this time around. She made her criticisms but also offered possible solutions to mitigate some of the problems. I've been saying for years the Clinic's disconnect with their "commitment to wellness" and actual business practices is laughable. 

 

I remember the self-congratulatory puffery when they eliminated the McDonald's on main campus and instituted smoking bans on employees - "look at us, we're promoting WELLNESS!!!". However, when it comes to addressing the health impacts of an autocentric/sedentary lifestyle, suddenly it's "well, we're just (insert the 'giving our customers what they want' diatribe)" and build yet another massive parking garage at main campus or 'health center' that's LEED certified. :roll: Yippee, it's LEED certified - in a vacuum. A far-flung, out of Cuyahoga County, asphalt-surrounded (former woodlands/wetlands), unreachable by transit and even if there is a transit stop, the building itself is situated so far off the road it's pointless, vacuum. Honestly, I just wish they'd have the decency to stop with the lip service. Every life deserves world class care - unless they can't drive there.

 

Good points, though they did sponsor the BRT line (for what that's worth).  One other aspect is a pet peeve of mine:  try finding accessible stairs in most of their buildings.  IMO, unless one has a physical disability, taking an elevator down one floor is as ridiculous as driving half a block to a store, yet that's what they expect people to do.

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I think Angie did a solid job outlining some legitimate disconnects between the Clinic's walk and it's talk. What she didn't bring up, but what I know from firsthand experience, is that the Clinic is driving a lot of their specialists into those exurban locations. I have had to make appointments in Twinsburg and Avon, not because it was convenient (just the opposite), but because that's where these particular doctors had their offices. They're penalizing those without access to cars and making it increasingly difficult for them to access these specialists. But let's be honest. Most of 'those people' probably don't have the kind of work sponsored health insurance that pays for these services. Maybe I'm jaded.

 

Her point about encouraging more public transportation is a legit one, but given the fact that the Opportunity corridor is being designed primarily to encourage driving right to the Clinic, I think it's falling on deaf ears. Also, I expect (although I don't know this) that many of the Clinic's employees (nursing / administrative, etc.) are coming in from the exurbs, and riding a bus for 2 hours isn't a viable option. But it wouldn't hurt the Clinic to encourage the use of public transportation where it makes sense. Maybe, as the largest employer in the region, they can have a positive effect on how our transportation dollars are allocated going ahead.

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I'm all for encouraging public transportation, but this is an auto-centric region. If you go survey 100 people I'll bet u dollars to donuts 90 of them, even the more urban-centric ones, would say that they would want to keep their cars. It's unrealistic to expect the Clinic to move faster on public transportation than the entire region. I heard a saying a long time ago, "you can only take people as far as they are willing to go, not as far as you would like them to go". As a poster above said, many of their employees are traveling quite a ways to get to work. Expecting them to take public transportation is just unrealistic

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I always laugh when someone says The Cleveland Clinic campus is not a fun place to be.  I don't know of any hospital that one would ever describe as a fun place.  Most of us would be happy not to have to be there. 

 

Extremely true.  Yet in the last 30 years hospitals have taken HUGE strides to make them more comfortable and inviting on the inside.  (I don't know how old you are, but I remember as a child all hospitals were white and sterile).  Cleveland Clinic is a world leader in many areas of healthcare.  It would be nice if they led the charge for hospitals and their interaction on the outside with their community.

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I'm all for encouraging public transportation, but this is an auto-centric region. If you go survey 100 people I'll bet u dollars to donuts 90 of them, even the more urban-centric ones, would say that they would want to keep their cars. It's unrealistic to expect the Clinic to move faster on public transportation than the entire region. I heard a saying a long time ago, "you can only take people as far as they are willing to go, not as far as you would like them to go". As a poster above said, many of their employees are traveling quite a ways to get to work. Expecting them to take public transportation is just unrealistic

 

It's auto-centric because of our region's 60-year history of poor land-use decisions and lack of funding of transportation choices (and not just transit, but walking and biking). We weren't born with a proclivity towards cars or against them. Most people are sheep and they'll follow leaders. The Clinic has chosen to be among the sheep rather than choosing to be a leader in this instance. It's not like they've shunned being a leader before. They've taken a leadership role on anti-smoking measures yet ignore the health and climate hazards from car pollution. Nor do they recognize the immense financial burden car-dependence places on their employees many of whom don't earn the $15 per hour threshhold of being able to own cars (do employees pay for parking, get employer-paid tax-benefits for driving?). The best thing the Clinic can do to promote more choices is to offer neighborhoods within walking and biking distance around the clinic that can appeal to its workers, many of whom come from other cities and countries where they are used to walking, biking and taking transit more than what Clevelanders have experienced. Instead the Clinic builds massive, soulless parking decks like this which do not promote choice-making in transportation and land-use decisions.

 

The Clinic is a city unto itself, and it's one of the worst laid-out cities imaginable in terms of fostering connectivity and human interaction. When you design a setting for cars and not people, that's exactly what you get.

 

For alternative design concepts for settings, see:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3261.msg728250.html#msg728250

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,3261.msg728273.html#msg728273


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Dear Cleveland Clinic:

 

Read this...

 

Cities must work towards “improving the people landscape,” by planning primarily for people first, not cars. http://t.co/P2FwtuhYmS


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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This is Florida, but I couldn't find a thread for non Cleveland, Cleveland Clinic developments

 

Fire, explosion shake up Cleveland Clinic in Weston

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-cleveland-clinic-evacuation-20150213-story.html

 

The Cleveland Clinic was evacuated Friday afternoon after witnesses reported hearing an explosion inside one of the buildings on the hospital campus.

 

Broward Sheriff Fire Rescue crews were sent to the hospital grounds, at 2950 Cleveland Clinic Blvd., where a fire was quickly extinguished from the roof of the new cancer and neurology center still under construction....

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This is Florida, but I couldn't find a thread for non Cleveland, Cleveland Clinic developments

 

Fire, explosion shake up Cleveland Clinic in Weston

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-cleveland-clinic-evacuation-20150213-story.html

 

The Cleveland Clinic was evacuated Friday afternoon after witnesses reported hearing an explosion inside one of the buildings on the hospital campus.

 

Broward Sheriff Fire Rescue crews were sent to the hospital grounds, at 2950 Cleveland Clinic Blvd., where a fire was quickly extinguished from the roof of the new cancer and neurology center still under construction....

 

For general (non-construction) Cleveland Clinic news:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,5240.0.html


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What the Clinic's competition is up to, development-wise....

 

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THE $6.5 BILLION, 20-YEAR PLAN TO TRANSFORM AN AMERICAN CITY

ROCHESTER, MINNESOTA, IS HOME TO THE WORLD-FAMOUS MAYO CLINIC. WILL AN AMBITIOUS NEW PROJECT MAKE IT A GLOBAL MEDICAL-TOURISM DESTINATION?

BY NEAL UNGERLEIDER

 

One of the world’s best-known hospitals has a problem.

 

The Mayo Clinic is located in the small city of Rochester (pop. 111,000), about a two-hour drive from Minneapolis, Minnesota. And it is, right this minute, competing fiercely for a small-but-extremely-lucrative slice of the global medical tourism industry. The wealthy American, European, east Asian, and Gulf Arab patients who have been the clinic’s bread and butter have been instead choosing to get treatment abroad or at domestic rivals like Baltimore’s Johns Hopkins University or the Cleveland Clinic. But that may be changing—and the reason, if not the construction, is simple: the Destination Medical Center.

 

That's an audacious 20-year plan by Rochester, the Minnesota state government, the Mayo Clinic, and their private partners to spend more than $6.5 billion on a kind of real-life version of SimCity, designed to turn Rochester into a global biotech hub, and double its population in the process.

 

MORE:

http://www.fastcompany.com/3041355/innovation-agents/the-65-billion-20-year-plan-to-transform-an-american-city


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The CC development patterns are a function of 70 something Toby Cosgrove. The guy came from a different era and sadly just doesn't know any better. A campus in downtown Rochester is hugely forward thinking. We can't get the Clinic to build something pedestrian and transit friendly.

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The CC development patterns are a function of 70 something Toby Cosgrove. The guy came from a different era and sadly just doesn't know any better. A campus in downtown Rochester is hugely forward thinking. We can't get the Clinic to build something pedestrian and transit friendly.

 

You really can't blame them for not being "transit friendly" when transit (specifically the three rail lines) basically bypassed them.

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Pedestrian friendly is also transit friendly since nearly all transit trips begin/end as pedestrian trips. Most of the CC isn't even pedestrian friendly despite being in an urban core. But we've debated this a million times here. I expect to be disappointed by CC from here on out. I've given up on them.


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I wonder if opening the med/dental/nursing school will have any effect. last I heard there will be bus service from cwru for faculty, but students like to remain close to school. quite a few people in my class didn't have cars.

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Yep, more construction at the Cleveland Clinic. New $276 million cancer institute. Seen from Carnegie.

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New $300m+/- Cleveland Clinic-Case Western Reserve University health education campus. Seen from Chester side.

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What about the Holiday Inn and that parking garage on 105th. Can anyone confirm if those have broken ground yet?

Those 4 projects together would about a cool 1Billion.  That's some serious construction dollars.

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What about the Holiday Inn and that parking garage on 105th. Can anyone confirm if those have broken ground yet?

Those 4 projects together would about a cool 1Billion.  That's some serious construction dollars.

 

Tower cranes (2) went up last week for the parking garage on 105th. Can't speak to the status of the holiday inn

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http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2015/07172015/index.php

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for July 17, 2015

 

EUCLID CORRIDOR DESIGN REVIEW

EC2014-037 – Health Education Campus/CWRU Medical School New Construction: Seeking Final Approval

Project Address: 9501 Euclid Avenue

Project Representatives: Brian Smith, Cleveland Clinic

Irwin Lowenstein, CWRU

Phil Libassi, Westlake Reed Leskosky

James Edwards, Foster + Partners

 

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