seicer Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'm sure that feature got cut - I don't see it anywhere on our publications. This is the first I've seen of that! Just where is this located at? I'm working next to the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 is that horrendous setback on Euclid? what a horrible physical layout. they could have created a very cool building with an incredible interior space instead of place emptiness on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanophile Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 ^ The building will be facing E. 100, so the big setback is facing that street, not Euclid. There's still a setback from Euclid, but not quite that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyboy Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 That's also the previous version, before all of the revisions. The roof will still be glassy but will not open (this was merely so you could look inside). Correct the big empty space you see will be facing a new E. 100 Street cut through that didn't exist previously (just surface parking lots previously) Otherwise the building will face the reflecting pools on E. 93rd (94th?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musky Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I'm sure that feature got cut - I don't see it anywhere on our publications. This is the first I've seen of that! Just where is this located at? I'm working next to the hospital. The model is on the ground floor of Glickman Tower. Right to the left of the East 96th Street entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanni_gogolak Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 is that horrendous setback on Euclid? what a horrible physical layout. they could have created a very cool building with an incredible interior space instead of place emptiness on the street. Just build a bigger building, why didn't they think of that! :wtf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StapHanger Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Apparently the lawnmowers union is still making bigger donations to the Clinic than the landscape designer union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Cleveland Clinic hates Euclid Avenue. “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOJ Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Here you can see what the layout will be. Euclid in the front; 93rd and the reflecting pool to the left, and Innova in the background. Pic from Cleveland.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyck01 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 We've all known what this building would look like for months. If I remember correctly, it got quite a few compliments on this forum. I like the design quite a bit although I agree it could be closer to the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 ^even if it were closer to Euclid, there's STILL a huge lawn on Euclid---even if the "front" of the lawn is on E. 100. I agree with KJP--the Clinic hates Euclid Ave. Its really unfortunate that such develop is allowed codewise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestChamp Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 It's surprising (not really) that the Clinic would not remove the trees along Euclid, let the building have a greater presence on the street and position an entrance to the school across Euclid from the hospitals main entrance, since its right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oallostavros Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Not really is right - i could imagine that the clinic is probably trying to create a courtyard area / "quads" / a university campus type feel. They are probably trying to isolate the whole area from traffic, noise etc... It's surprising (not really) that the Clinic would not remove the trees along Euclid, let the building have a greater presence on the street and position an entrance to the school across Euclid from the hospitals main entrance, since its right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOJ Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I think the university campus-like setting is certainly part of the reasoning why the layout is set up as it is. Also, it is in line with the Clinic's 30+ year master plan developed by Foster + Partners that will include a great deal more green space as the Clinic develops and redevelops its campus. I don't think its fair to pass judgment on the layout of the building on its own, one really has to view it in the long-term master plan the Clinic has for campus; IMO anyhow (which may hold no value, of course :wink:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipjacka Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 ^ you can pass judgment if you think euclid avenue, as the main street of a major US city, should have buildings that interact with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 ^^Re the post two above this one, which said, "[the new med school]is in line with the Clinic's 30+ year master plan developed by Foster + Partners". I thought Foster + Partners was supposed to be some great firm. Obviously they're destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland. So, are they just an incompetent firm or just following orders from their client, the Clinic? Either way, they certainly deserve to have a blemished reputation for this crap. I would never recommend them to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Rocc Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Not really is right - i could imagine that the clinic is probably trying to create a courtyard area / "quads" / a university campus type feel. They are probably trying to isolate the whole area from traffic, noise etc... There's no benefit to patients and doctors to minimizing noise and exhaust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmicha Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Not when a window being 30' further away from a street when it's never going to be opened doesn't make a stitch of difference and windows can be easily be made to be more or less soundproof. The reason for the setback isn't utilitarian, it's purely the manifestation of an anti-urban mindset at the Clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyck01 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 ^^Re the post two above this one, which said, "[the new med school]is in line with the Clinic's 30+ year master plan developed by Foster + Partners". I thought Foster + Partners was supposed to be some great firm. Obviously they're destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland. So, are they just an incompetent firm or just following orders from their client, the Clinic? Either way, they certainly deserve to have a blemished reputation for this crap. I would never recommend them to anyone. Destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland? You're dabbling a bit in hyperbole once again, aren't you? The Cleveland clinic wants a campus like setting. No, that is not the most urban-like planning, but that is what they want. That is what they feel gives their patients the most relaxed setting in which to fight sickness and recuperate. While it may not be ideal to most people on this board, it is hardly "destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland." Cleveland is much bigger than just the Cleveland Clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Here you can see what the layout will be. Euclid in the front; 93rd and the reflecting pool to the left, and Innova in the background. Pic from Cleveland.com I rode past the construction site and realized that I mistook the street on the right side of the image to be Euclid. Instead Euclid is at the bottom of the image. So, actually, I'm pleasantly surprised this building will be closer to Euclid than I thought. Of course, I would preferred to the building to be right on Euclid, but it's better than what I had thought previously. Again, if the Cleveland Clinic was as health conscious about workers smoking as they are about clean air in general, then they would be paying to reroute the RTA Blue Line to University Circle and extend the Red Line to the city of Euclid and have them be powered by LEEDCo -- not spending tons of money on all these new parking garages that only make their employees more dependent on cars that spew pollution and turn their workers into overweight car-potatoes who suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other ailments. Sure, smoking is a horrible health problem. So is car-dependency. Just trying to keep the soapbox from getting dusty. :) “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland? You're dabbling a bit in hyperbole once again' date=' aren't you? The Cleveland clinic wants a campus like setting. No, that is not the most urban-like planning, but that is what they want. That is what they feel gives their patients the most relaxed setting in which to fight sickness and recuperate. While it may not be ideal to most people on this board, it is hardly "destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland." Cleveland is much bigger than just the Cleveland Clinic.[/quote'] Ummm....I believe the question was on the credibility or worth of Foster+Partners as a firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevecane Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 ^^And hiding their staircases so you have to use the elevators... I love the LEEDCo idea, what a novel way to collaborate. Who's up to pitch it, KJP? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Rocc Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Here you can see what the layout will be. Euclid in the front; 93rd and the reflecting pool to the left, and Innova in the background. Pic from Cleveland.com I rode past the construction site and realized that I mistook the street on the right side of the image to be Euclid. Instead Euclid is at the bottom of the image. So, actually, I'm pleasantly surprised this building will be closer to Euclid than I thought. Of course, I would preferred to the building to be right on Euclid, but it's better than what I had thought previously. Again, if the Cleveland Clinic was as health conscious about workers smoking as they are about clean air in general, then they would be paying to reroute the RTA Blue Line to University Circle and extend the Red Line to the city of Euclid and have them be powered by LEEDCo -- not spending tons of money on all these new parking garages that only make their employees more dependent on cars that spew pollution and turn their workers into overweight car-potatoes who suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease and other ailments. Sure, smoking is a horrible health problem. So is car-dependency. Just trying to keep the soapbox from getting dusty. :) Yeah, I was wondering myself, for some odd reason I knew where Euclid was because of the BRT. Didn't think the setback was that much and thought the objection was to the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Rocc Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 ^^And hiding their staircases so you have to use the elevators.. Oh this, a million times over. They are going to freak out about McDonald's on site or someone daring to smoke a cigarette in the middle of an open field, but they expect you to take an elevator full of randomly sick people down one floor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleburger Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 ^^Re the post two above this one, which said, "[the new med school]is in line with the Clinic's 30+ year master plan developed by Foster + Partners". I thought Foster + Partners was supposed to be some great firm. Obviously they're destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland. So, are they just an incompetent firm or just following orders from their client, the Clinic? Either way, they certainly deserve to have a blemished reputation for this crap. I would never recommend them to anyone. Destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland? You're dabbling a bit in hyperbole once again, aren't you? The Cleveland clinic wants a campus like setting. No, that is not the most urban-like planning, but that is what they want. That is what they feel gives their patients the most relaxed setting in which to fight sickness and recuperate. While it may not be ideal to most people on this board, it is hardly "destroying the fabric of the city of Cleveland." Cleveland is much bigger than just the Cleveland Clinic. It is certainly not ideal to people on this forum, however I would guess that 90% of the business at the Clinic comes from suburban and rural areas, both inside and outside of Ohio. I'm sure this factors into their decision. Someone from Brunswick would not be comfortable in a setting with hyper density. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musky Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Trying to get the shot before it is too dark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyboy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Amazingly that whole top section (about 1/4 of the building) is all mechanical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooner Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Was thru the Clinic yesterday before the snow was too deep. Some observations.....The Holiday Inn on Euclid looks better than expected from the renderings. The Cancer Center also has a nice presence with it's mostly glass facade. Could each of those buildings been better? yes, absolutely, but they aren't bad. Also, the new Med School building for all it's critics, is very big, much bigger than I imagined. I'm guessing it also will look better than it's renderings as it nears completion. I do not wish to re-ignite any old debates about the merits of these buildings only giving my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOJ Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Was thru the Clinic yesterday before the snow was too deep. Some observations.....The Holiday Inn on Euclid looks better than expected from the renderings. The Cancer Center also has a nice presence with it's mostly glass facade. Could each of those buildings been better? yes, absolutely, but they aren't bad. Also, the new Med School building for all it's critics, is very big, much bigger than I imagined. I'm guessing it also will look better than it's renderings as it nears completion. I do not wish to re-ignite any old debates about the merits of these buildings only giving my observations. It is large (the med school). It is holding four different schools: CWRU med school, CC med school (Lerner), CWRU dentistry, and CWRU nursing. Each has a quadrant of the building, with a large center common space (more or less). Research will continue to be done in other buildings on CC campus and CWRU campus, but it still has to be big enough to hold four different colleges. Naturally there are spaces they can all share (e.g., lecture halls), but there are also has to be space specific to three different trades; although, I don't think it was going to hold all four schools when first imagined (but I may be misremembering). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethink Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 ^ I believe the plans for the dental clinic have changed. Originally part of the HEC it was decided to build the clinic in a separate building just across Chester. Which I am guessing would be just west of Innova. It's hard to tell what land they are looking at from the Innova site plan. Read about it below. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_clinic_cwru_break_gr.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethink Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 This Innova site plan shows the location of the Dental Clinic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyboy Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 As previous ones did as well. Directly across Chester from the new Medical school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StapHanger Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 ^^Just in case not clear (I couldn't tell from your earlier post), I think the school dentistry will still be in the HEC. It's only the dental clinic that will be north of Chester, and I believe that's been the proposes site for quite a while now- it was even shown in the early massings, though wasn't labeled then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethink Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 ^I am not sure about the Dental school but as explained in Litt's article the Dental Clinic was originally to be a part of the HEC. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_clinic_cwru_break_gr.html Also the location of the Dental Clinic was speculation. As Michelle disclosed in her Innova piece there is a land swap with CWRU in the works to make it happen. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/02/residence_inn_hotel_added_to_r.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockdog Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 holiday inn... oops.... picture problem.... but looks great... https://goo.gl/photos/Hg52wpmSLsoEaE6s9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w28th Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Looks terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanophile Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Looks about how I expected it to. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ws966112 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Looks about how I expected it to. Meh. Unfortunately, many times if the company that is building a hotel already knows which brand that hotel will be, the franchise requires a standard design for the hotel. That leaves developers with very little room for creativity. That's the same reason why every Hampton Inn looks exactly the same! I agree it is a bit bleh, but typical for a Holiday Inn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestChamp Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 ^It looks like a standard Holiday Inn hotel and standard Cleveland Clinic building style got together and had a baby...not the prettiest kid at the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Dog Pat Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 That can't be right, it's horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mov2Ohio Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 If they were going for the modern glazing with 1970s masonry veneer look, they nailed it! I like the look of the glass. Wish they would have went spandrelive glass instead of masonry though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in Cleveland Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Took a walk yesterday and got a ground level view of the new Health Education Campus ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seicer Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 That's quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRrAy HiLL Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 From NPR -- 3:50 minute audio link as well. Teaching Medical Teamwork Right From The Start August 26, 2016·4:42 AM ET Heard on Morning Edition Julie Rovner There's a new building going up on the campus of the Cleveland Clinic. A very big building. "The skylight that we're standing under will eventually cover the area of an entire football field," says Russ Saghy, who oversees construction projects for the Cleveland Clinic. The skylight is part of the new Case Western Reserve University Heath Education campus. The joint project with the Cleveland Clinic will eventually house the Case Western Reserve University's medical, dental and nursing schools, as well as the Cleveland Clinic's in-house medical school. When it opens to the first classes of students in 2019 it will provide an estimated 8.5 football fields worth of space and enough concrete to build a sidewalk that's 75 miles long. The cost: almost $500 million. http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/08/26/488811721/teaching-medical-teamwork-right-from-the-start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethink Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Looking at the webcam for the CWRU medical school https://m.oxblue.com/open/ccf/cwruhec you will notice the space just west of Innova has been cleared and fenced off. I wonder if ground has been broken for the Dental Clinic that will occupy that space. I haven't seen anything from CPC regarding the plans though. If anyone goes by that way let us know if you see any type of signage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyboy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Looking at the webcam for the CWRU medical school https://m.oxblue.com/open/ccf/cwruhec you will notice the space just west of Innova has been cleared and fenced off. I wonder if ground has been broken for the Dental Clinic that will occupy that space. I haven't seen anything from CPC regarding the plans though. If anyone goes by that way let us know if you see any type of signage. I'm across from there and they have cleared the site. I did have a plan I will see if I can dig up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonyb Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 What's going on behind the Innova building? Looking at the webcam, it looks like there are two wood frame buildings going up behind Innova on the left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooner Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Yes, I saw those also. Plus the dental bldg site looks like it's turned into a parking lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 ^just drove by an hour ago and the dental site is indeed a new parking lot. The wood frame buildings are north of the lot behind some trees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in Cleveland Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The CWRU Health Education Campus building is coming along nicely. But I was searching for a rough opening date, and found an article announcing the groundbreaking last year, which said summer of 2019. That seems crazy to me ... is this building really still 2.5+ years away from being completed/occupied/ready for students? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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