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Yes, from my understanding it will go as far west as Sandusky -- if enough funding can be found. The main priority is from Vermilion eastward.


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BTW, from last week's Sun News......

 

Study to see if commuter rail can get on track

By Alison Meaney, Sun News

March 04, 2010, 2:45PM

 

A stress-free ride into Cleveland on a winter weekday morning and the ability to navigate the west side without a car are among dreams brought to you by regional rail enthusiasts in the public and private sectors.

 

Attempting to make their dreams for Northeast Ohio a reality, the rail proponents are using funds procured by U.S. Rep. Betty Sutton’s office as well as from agencies like Ohio Department of Transportation, the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency and the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority. The funds are being used to study the feasibility of an expansive network of commuter rail lines.

 

“We deserve better mobility by public transit here,” said Richard Enty, Lorain County’s project contract manager. “We should be able to get from one end of the region to another without owning an automobile.”

 

READ MORE AT:

http://blog.cleveland.com/thesun/2010/03/study_to_see_if_commuter_rail.html


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“We’re focused on community transportation — we have not been as focused on a rail line that would go out as far as Sandusky,” FitzGerald said. “One the one hand, I could see some advantages to having commuter rail to downtown Cleveland and to University Circle. On other hand, the biggest beneficiaries would be Lorain County and Erie County."

 

What always gets me in this town is how, on so many potentially positive development projects, people are so damned preoccupied with the advantages to someone else.  It'd be nice if mayor FitGerald touted the benefits of rail travel to his dense downtown Lakewood rather than the benefits of Lorain and Erie Counties ... thus giving reasons why Lakewooders should be against it; or at least, not strongly for it.

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Glad to see the progress, but I wish the roof was higher.


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I wish we had an explanation of how these transit centers will interact.  Seems like we're moving even closer to having two separate bus systems, east and west.

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FYI from the co-chair of the West Shore Commuter Rail Task Force:

 

Good Morning,

 

As I reported to you in a previous email, I have a graduate from Bryant and Stratton, Nathan Harris, who is volunteering his time to create a website and social media outlets for the West Shore Commuter Rail Task Force (WSCTF). We need input and information from the Task Force members as to what you would like to see on this site. Additionally, we will need specific links and information that will support the project along with pictures. A WSCRTF Social Media and Website meeting with Nathan regarding website construction, Facebook and Twitter contents is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday, June 8, in Commissioner Blair’s Office located on the 4th floor of the Administration Building.

 

Any input or assistance on this project is welcome and encouraged; so please feel free to contact me or attend the Social Media Meeting. I have received input from Brian McCann that the beautiful brochure that was created by an employee of Bettcher Industries is translatable to a website.

 

If you cannot attend feel free to email me your ideas for consideration and I will gladly share them on Tuesday.

 

The West Shore Commuter Rail Task Force is now on Facebook and Twitter. If you look under notes on Facebook, there is a list of Collaborating and Supporting Organizations. I would like to add a section indicating the individual private support sector and a list of Task Force members. This information would also be included on the website. If you wish to have your name included please send me a letter indicating your support for the project. This letter has a dual purpose. First, it allows me permission from you to add your name as a supporter and or Task Force member, and secondly, most importantly, the letter will be forwarded to specific agencies and or government officials to increase and expedite funding and show sustainability for this project.

 

Later today, I will send out information that you may include in the letter if you so choose.

 

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or suggestions.

 

Respectfully,

 

Virginia Haynes

Administrative Coordinator

Lorain County Community Alliance

226 Middle Ave. Room 515

Elyria, Ohio 44090

440-328-2362

vhaynes@loraincounty.us

www.lccommunityalliance.com


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http://lccommunityalliance.org/announcements.shtml?f=68

 

ALLIANCE COMMUNICATION

News Release/For Immediate Release

June 8, 2010

 

Grant Submitted for Phase I Alternatives Analysis

 

On Monday, June 7th, 2010 Lorain County Transit submitted its grant application to the Federal Transit Administration to pay for Phase I of the WestShore Corridor Transportation Project Alternatives Analysis. It's anticipated that the grant funds will be available for award within the next 30-60 days. Since shortly after its establishment in 1996, the Lorain County Community Alliance (LCCA) has been actively involved in seeking to identify and implement cost effective regional transportation investments that will speed travel and improve multi-county access and mobility within the WestShore Corridor. This Transportation Project is centered at the City of Lorain in Lorain County, Ohio and extends west to Sandusky, Ohio in Erie County and east to Cleveland, Ohio in Cuyahoga County.

 

Follow along on FACEBOOK and Twitter and participate in discussion on this exciting project. FACEBOOK at WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force and Twitter at Twitter.com/WCRTF

 

 

Respectfully Submitted,

 

Virginia Haynes

Co-Chair of the WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force (WCRTF)

Administrative Coordinator

Lorain County Community Alliance

226 Middle Ave. Room 515

Elyria, Ohio 44090

440-328-2362

vhaynes@loraincounty.us

www.lccommunityalliance.com


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Is there any reason why every rapid stop and major bus exchange doesn't have some sort of retail attached?  I'm sure at least a few people would love to be able to grab basic necessities when they are exiting the bus or train. Nothing fancy, basic things like bottles of water, aspirins, magazines, newspapers. Heck I'd even be OK with coffee drinks and candy bars, since people don't follow the no eating/drinking rule and wait times for the rapid trains can be fairly long.

 

The closest thing I have seen is some temporary coffee kiosk thing at the W 117th rapid station. Wouldn't something like a Hudson News look great wedged into the tubbs-jones transit center?

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Is there any reason why every rapid stop and major bus exchange doesn't have some sort of retail attached? I'm sure at least a few people would love to be able to grab basic necessities when they are exiting the bus or train. Nothing fancy, basic things like bottles of water, aspirins, magazines, newspapers. Heck I'd even be OK with coffee drinks and candy bars, since people don't follow the no eating/drinking rule and wait times for the rapid trains can be fairly long.

 

The closest thing I have seen is some temporary coffee kiosk thing at the W 117th rapid station. Wouldn't something like a Hudson News look great wedged into the tubbs-jones transit center?

 

Especially with CSU right there....

 

I agree.

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I'm pretty sure the STJ Transit Center has a small retail space for rent inside the 'terminal' building.  However, as of early April, they have not had anyone interested in the space.  This info was announced at the April TIAC meeting (Citizens Advisory Board's  Transit Improvement Advisory Committee)

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There is also a spot of land next to the West 65th EcoVillage station that RTA has marketed for years but with no takers. But I haven't their advertisement to judge for myself how it was marketed.


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Methinks it has more to do with the overall bunkness of the Ecovillage plan.  Had they done apartment blocks instead of little houses it might have taken off.  And I don't blame potential merchants for taking a wait and see approach to the STJ center, since it isn't clear to anyone exactly how that's going to work.  Given its proximity to CSU, and the lack of convenience stores in that vicinity, I'm sure it will find a tenant at some point. 

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If RTA rapid stops don't have ridership to support station agents and fare gates, I doubt there's enough traffic flow to support retail.  The transit center could be different given its location and accessibility to non riders.

 

I love the last rendering from oallostavros's post- not sure it really depicts RTAs ridership.

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IMO, the lack of solar on the canopy is a damn shame; heightened by the fact that the garage next door utilizes panels on the roof.  The people in the comp generated photo appear to be from Sim City, but I do like the provision of casual seating along the foundation wall of the glassy terminal.

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WestShore corridor project to receive grant money

Published: Wednesday, June 09, 2010

 

ELYRIA — The Lorain County Transit turned in a grant application to the Federal Transit Administration to pay for the first phase of the West Shore Commuter Rail Corridor Transportation Project Alternatives Analysis.

 

The funds were earmarked from Congresswoman Betty Sutton and the grant money should be available within the next 30 to 60 days, Commissioner Betty Blair said at Wednesday’s commissioners meeting.

 

The Lorain County commissioners, last year, approved the Alternatives Analysis study, to be compiled during eight months by consultant Parsons Brinckerhoff Inc., of Cleveland. The intent of the study is to identify and compare the costs, benefits and performance of different technologies for providing commuter rail service using existing rail corridors or for enhancing bus services, according to All Aboard Ohio. All Aboard Ohio is a statewide nonprofit organization that promotes improvements to passenger rail and public transportation.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2010/06/09/news/doc4c0fbb5f95f35523130460.txt


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I don't think we have a West Side Transit Center thread yet, so this could go here or in the larger RTA thread:

 

RTA reignites downtown transit center idea

 

By STAN BULLARD

 

4:30 am, June 14, 2010

 

New grants and a new strategy have exhumed the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority's long-buried idea for a transit center west of Public Square in downtown Cleveland.

 

...

 

"Transit centers in other cities serve as parts of multiple-use projects that can include parking garages as well as residential, retail or office space. With such an idea in mind, the Northeast Ohio Areawide Coordinating Agency recently awarded RTA a $75,000 Transportation for Livable Communities Initiative grant to study potential sites and designs for the center in the Warehouse District. The nonprofit Downtown Cleveland Alliance also contributed $10,000.

 

RTA and the Historic Warehouse District Development Corp. last month formed a committee to select a consultant to perform the study, said Maribeth Feke, RTA director of programming and planning, who also serves on the development corporation's board. She said the study would establish a transit center plan that would spur economic activity on vacant or underutilized parcels in a manner consistent with the neighborhood."

 

http://crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100614/SUB1/306149992/1039/TOC&Profile=1039

 

Since you need a subscription to read the rest of the article, here's the gist:

 

The idea was proposed in 1998 as part of the Euclid Corridor plan.  RTA currently has no money to build the transit center, but federal grants could be a source.  Cimperman says that the WHD neighborhood's input is important.  Tom Yablonsky, executive director of the HWD and vice president of the DCA, suggests that the project could help with finding financing for a mixed-use project in the current lending environment, and architecturally speaking, address the historic building stock of the neighborhood.

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I'd really like to know more of the logisitical plan behind these transit centers before we spend any more money on them.  I mean, we're cutting bus routes left and right, and we never seem to have a dime to investigate any rail expansions.  Yet we have grants from all directions to spend on more and more bus infrastructure.

 

Caution, pedestrians... bus is costly... bus... is costly. 

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I think this project is so important to the GCRTA system.  Espeically if this means consollidating downtown RTA routes off of all four corners of public square and onto an extremely underutilized surface lot west of public square.  It would make public square  much more desirbable place and open up the door for innovative public square designs.

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I'd really like to know more of the logisitical plan behind these transit centers before we spend any more money on them. I mean, we're cutting bus routes left and right, and we never seem to have a dime to investigate any rail expansions. Yet we have grants from all directions to spend on more and more bus infrastructure.

 

Caution, pedestrians... bus is costly... bus... is costly.

 

Agreed.

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I think this project is so important to the GCRTA system.  Espeically if this means consollidating downtown RTA routes off of all four corners of public square and onto an extremely underutilized surface lot west of public square.  It would make public square  much more desirbable place and open up the door for innovative public square designs.

 

That all sounds great.  But how does it mesh with the idea that downtown routes are also being consolidated at STJ transit center near CSU?  If we were building one single transit center, I'd say WHD is a great place to put it, because of its relative proximity to the rail nexus at Tower City.

 

Although... Public Square still works better for that purpose because it's directly adjact to the rail nexus, rather than a few blocks away.  Public Square can never not be directly adjacent to the city's rail nexus, not until Tower City is torn down.  So there's an extent to which it will never totally make sense to divert the bus system from there.  It's not like the buses currently go there because they hate greenspace.  They go there because it's rational to do so.  Maybe this bipolar transit center plan is equally rational, but I'm not seeing it.  Can anyone explain how it would work?  Not a rhetorical question.

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I'm just curious... why hasn't RTA (or anybody here) mentioned extending a branch from the Red Line Rapid (at West Blvd) west along the N-S railroad to the center of Lakewood, about 3 miles away?  This distance is about equal to the Van Aken Blue Line east from Shaker Square (shorter than the Green Line)...

 

Lakewood is the 2nd most densely populated city between Philadelphia and Chicago.  Such a Red Line extension would pass within 2.5 blocks from the uber-dense/beautiful Gold Coast.  The Detroit corridor along the route is growing with new condos/townhouses, like Rockport (?) just west of W. 117th Street.  Downtown Lakewood near Detroit & Warren Rd is also growing as a restaurant/entertainment hub.  The N/S (and potential Rapid terminal there) is 1/2 block behind the building line.  As the West Shore commuter rail plan is slowly moving forward, it would make great sense to have a combined Rapid/Train transfer terminal/station for RTA commuters (say from Univ. Circle) to go into Lorain county (or Lorain county folks to transfer for an Airport connection, among others).

 

Personally, I'd try and seek Fed money to elevate the railroad and eliminate the Lakewood generations-old fuss about the trains at street level -- which could easily be done because the elevated train ROW, like the Chicago L (and the East Cleveland RR/Red Line) would be invisible behind the Detroit building line.  But a cheaper (I know Cleveland loves cheap) surface-level Rapid extension could work, too -- unlike Chicago with live 3rd rails at street level in some limited areas, our trains use centenary, which is safely up and away from track level -- just that a surface route would not quite as efficiently.

 

... btw, Chicago has a number of L (rapid transit) commuter train transfer/interfaces... probably the closest one that I envision for downtown Lakewood is the Green Line/Union Pacific terminal/station near the Oak Park/Forest Park border west of the Loop.

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Great thoughts, clvlndr.  I would have it go all the way through Lakewood to West Clifton, maybe even across to downtown River.  I'm sure the fact that it's only one line, with a lot of freight traffic, is an obstacle.  Could those be re-routed while a 2-line elevated replacement is built? 

 

We'll never know if we don't try... and right now it appears we won't, because RTA's capital project priorities are mostly bus-oriented.  Sure we're fixing up some older stations on the existing Rapid network, and even moving one of them, but major functional expansions seem a million years away.  I think that timetable could be accelerated a great deal, if we had some vision and desire in play at RTA.  As long as our transit agency is philosophically opposed to rail expansions we're guaranteed not to see any.     

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Thanks 327.

 

Yeah, I know RTA is a beast that's tough to move... thankfully though the process of rail expansion, though in its infancy, is moving forward.  In the pipeline we've got West Shore, 3-C Ohio Hub and the Blue Line -- which even if its extended only 800 feet through the Chagrin-Warr intersection, represents some progress and sets up for future expansion to 1 or 2 points on the SE Outerbelt freeway system.

 

The commonality in all these?  Individual groups have moved ahead without RTA with driven, like-minded folks and well executed plans: in this case All Aboard Ohio and the City of Shaker Heights.  Even though there was no expansion, Eco-City Cleveland gave a grass roots push to rebuilding the W. 65 Red Line stop when there had been talk of closing the station. 

 

As to the Lakewood Red Line expansion: I'd love to go to Clifton Hts and across the river to Rocky River -- but I sense that NIMBY action (a la Berea) would threaten the former, and expense (featuring a Rocky River high-level bridge), the later.  That's why, for now at least, I'd be content with getting the Rapid into the core of Lakewood density (downtown), while also serving the high-rise Gold Coast as well as the busy, potential-laden W.117 corridor. 

 

The potential cross- pollination of the different rail services is historically what the old-line rapid rail cities like NYC, Chicago, Boston & Philly have done -- you know, back in the good old days when expensive Rapid rail like DC Metro and BART didn't double as lower expense/frequency commuter rail fanning deep into lower density suburban areas... But while the West Shore Line thru Lakewood opens up tons of regional opportunities, its close-in portion in such a busy, dense and growing (at least, building-wise) urbanized core needs to be supplemented by a higher frequency/capacity service that only a rapid transit like the Red Line can provide.  Bing maps Birdseye View shows there are behind the building line surface lots in downtown Lakewood that could be built upon – vertically, that is.

 

And with the Red Line brushing past the area as it currently does, this project (to you and me, at least) is the equivalent of transit low-hanging fruit.

 

 

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... btw, the Van Sweringens, in the 1920s, projected much of today's Red Line as the spine/starter line of their county-wide system of rapid transit ... and it was the only one where any work actually materialized beyond the up 'n running Shaker lines... But their plan was for the Western leg to stretch westerly thru Lakewood to downtown Rocky River, and not dogleg southwest toward the Airport, as it now does.

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LORAIN COUNTY COMMUNITY ALLIANCE

&

WESTSHORE COMMUTER RAIL TASK FORCE

ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Grant Approved for Phase I Alternatives Analysis!!

 

GREAT NEWS!!! The Federal Transportation Administration has approved the grant for $428,750 to pay for Phase I of the WestShore Corridor Transportation Project Alternatives Analysis Phase I!!

 

Since shortly after its establishment in 1996, the Lorain County Community Alliance (LCCA) has been actively involved in seeking to identify and implement cost effective regional transportation investments that will speed travel and improve multi-county access and mobility within the WestShore Corridor. This Transportation Project is centered at the City of Lorain in Lorain County, Ohio and extends west to Sandusky, Ohio in Erie County and east to Cleveland, Ohio in Cuyahoga County.

 

Alternatives Analysis Phase I will study a range of alternatives including:  no build, TSM, road improvements, express bus, bus and rail rapid transit and commuter rail.

 

Thank you to Congresswoman Betty Sutton, Federal Transportation Administration, Lorain County Commissioners, Lorain County Community Alliance, WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force, NOACA, Lake Erie Shores & Islands, City of Avon, Lorain Port Authority, Cleveland Alliance, RTA, All Aboard Ohio!, Cuyahoga County Commissioner Peter Lawson Jones, and the many individuals and organizations who continue to move this project forward! Check FACEBOOK for the complete list of supporters and current updates. 

 

Follow along on FACEBOOK and Twitter and participate in discussion on this exciting project. FACEBOOK at WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force and Twitter at Twitter.com/WCRTF

 

 

Coming soon….. WestShore Corridor Transportation Project Website: www.ridewestshore.com

 

Feel free to contact Dr. Hintz or myself if you have any questions.

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Here's how the funding breaks down, especially for the local funding partners....

 

NOACA $ 34,600

Lake Erie Shores & Islands   10,000

GCRTA   5,000

City of Avon   5,000

Lorain Port Authority 5,000

Downtown Cleveland Alliance   5,000

West Shore Rail Task Force   3,800

______

Subtotal $ 68,400

In-Kind Contribution   $ 17,350 (non-Federal amount of projected staff hours)

  ______

 

Total Local Contribution $ 85,750 (20% of total)

 

Total Federal Contribution   $ 343,000 (80% of total)

 

Total For Phase 1

of Alternatives Analysis: $428,750


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LORAIN COUNTY COMMUNITY ALLIANCE

&

WESTSHORE COMMUTER RAIL TASK FORCE

ANNOUNCEMENT

 

Grant Approved for Phase I Alternatives Analysis!!

 

GREAT NEWS!!! The Federal Transportation Administration has approved the grant for $428,750 to pay for Phase I of the WestShore Corridor Transportation Project Alternatives Analysis Phase I!!

 

Since shortly after its establishment in 1996, the Lorain County Community Alliance (LCCA) has been actively involved in seeking to identify and implement cost effective regional transportation investments that will speed travel and improve multi-county access and mobility within the WestShore Corridor. This Transportation Project is centered at the City of Lorain in Lorain County, Ohio and extends west to Sandusky, Ohio in Erie County and east to Cleveland, Ohio in Cuyahoga County.

 

Alternatives Analysis Phase I will study a range of alternatives including:  no build, TSM, road improvements, express bus, bus and rail rapid transit and commuter rail.

 

Thank you to Congresswoman Betty Sutton, Federal Transportation Administration, Lorain County Commissioners, Lorain County Community Alliance, WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force, NOACA, Lake Erie Shores & Islands, City of Avon, Lorain Port Authority, Cleveland Alliance, RTA, All Aboard Ohio!, Cuyahoga County Commissioner Peter Lawson Jones, and the many individuals and organizations who continue to move this project forward! Check FACEBOOK for the complete list of supporters and current updates. 

 

Follow along on FACEBOOK and Twitter and participate in discussion on this exciting project. FACEBOOK at WestShore Commuter Rail Task Force and Twitter at Twitter.com/WCRTF

 

 

Coming soon….. WestShore Corridor Transportation Project Website: www.ridewestshore.com

 

Feel free to contact Dr. Hintz or myself if you have any questions.

 

THAT'S GREAT NEWS!!! Now we have funding for the Cleveland-Lorain Alternative analysis, Funding for Cincinnati streetcar, $25 m for 3-C analysis (w/poss $375 m to come) and maybe something good might happen with the Cuyahoga Valley line...we might be seeing the dawn of a new age on Ohio.

 

Could it be??? :-D

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RTA says proposed Cleveland Warehouse District transit center would include residential and business development

 

Published: Friday, July 16, 2010, 5:00 AM    Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 7:25 AM

Karen Farkas, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- RTA hopes to build a Warehouse District transit center tied to retail, residential and business development.

 

The project, which could draw on federal funds targeted for such developments, would be part of a new neighborhood promoting the use of public transportation to stimulate economic growth.

 

...

 

For the rest of the article, see: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/07/rta_says_proposed_warehouse_di.html

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Here are my questions:

 

1. What are the current drawbacks of using Public Square as an open-air transit facility? Is the goal to create an indoor depot?

2. If they obtain a large parking lot to do this, what happens to the parking spaces lost? Do we just have to deal with it?

3. Do I really want a huge bus depot right next to our party zone?

4. Doesn't the WHD already have adequate access to rail by way of the waterfront line? I know this is ludicrous because nobody uses that train, but I think that just goes to show that most WHD residents just -don't- (or -can't-) use public transportation on a daily basis.

 

WHD doesn't strike me straight off as being underserved by public transportation. Most of the residents there either can walk to work downtown or are forced to drive out to Beachwood or Lakewood because taking the bus would require upwards of 45 minutes' extra walking time through dead neighborhoods to get to work.

 

The real trouble is service. If the bus doesn't get me to near where I need to go, there's no number of fancy facilities that will entice me to use it short of offering free drinks on the bus (and even then, I don't want to be drunk when I get to work...) I think this study will find that not very many people would consider using the bus if it were one block closer or had a heated waiting facility. But we'll see...

 

However, I acknowledge the benefits. I would certainly rather walk past a bus depot (perhaps with some built-in street retail spots...) than a parking lot on my way from Tower City to the WHD. With the energy that is accumulating at both lower Euclid and the WHD, though, I think it might waste some potential synergies between these areas to take up an entire superblock with an indoor transit facility, especially if it is a standalone building without any non-transit attractions. These problems can definitely be mitigated by proper planning. RTA needs to avoid creating deadspots on the street like that entire mess of City Hall, CMSD, the library, the Fed and the courthouse does right in what is supposed to be the center of the city.

 

Edit: Ahh, just saw that they plan mixed-use development. Well, if the RTA can force it to happen with federal funds, that would be pretty desirable considering no one wants to touch those parking lots. I'm looking forward to the plans. Or does Crain's detail them? I don't have a subscription, so I can't read the article.

 

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Plus the preliminary engineering on the Cleveland intermodal hub, lest we forget! Plus renewed interest in Cleveland-Akron-Canton commuter rail, the Columbus streetcar and who knows what's gonna happen with the Cincinnati Eastern Corridor!


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I think RTA should take over the parking lot and build the center using federal funds, then abandon it as a transit facility then move on to the next surface parking lot in the WHD. :-D

 

But seriously, I believe RTA has to use a federally funded capital asset for 20 years otherwise it has to partially reimburse the feds for the un-depreciated amount.


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