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41 minutes ago, skiwest said:

I checked nonstop airfare from CMH to SEA for a few select dates in July and saw Delta for as low as $217 R/T vs. $310 R/T on Alaska.  So yes, it looks like Delta may be trying to drive out Alaska. Nonstop fare from CLE to SEA for same dates is $280 R/T on Frontier.

 

It really seems to depend on the date. I just randomly selected June 21st and Alaska is offering two flights from CMH for $199 while Delta is offering one for $276. If you look at June 23rd, Alaska is at $153 and $173 while Delta is at $246. Hopefully having the two carriers serving SEA will help drive the price down for us. 

 

I did notice that Alaska seems to be switching to their 178 seat 737-900s this summer for their two daily flights. Currently, they've been using ~120 seat A319s and ~150 seat A320s. So not only are they increasing frequency, they are using larger aircraft. 

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And Cincinnati also has daily nonstops to Seattle via Delta.    I'm glad that Frontier is serving CLE but I wonder if the full service airlines are reluctant to compete with them on the same routes?

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37 minutes ago, skiwest said:

And Cincinnati also has daily nonstops to Seattle via Delta.    I'm glad that Frontier is serving CLE but I wonder if the full service airlines are reluctant to compete with them on the same routes?

 

 

The full service airlines shouldnt be reluctant, every time Frontier has tried competing routes with the big boys, they have ultimately had to bow out (Charlotte, Minny, Philly, Miami, SF)...so Seattle shouldnt be any different.  Frontier and Spirit are just not geared to go from CLE to major business markets.  They are like Allegiant, get families and people to vacation on the cheap.  

 

Why there is no Seattle-CLE is the giant mystery.  Delta has been pretty aggressive here, not sure why they arent making this one happen

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I always assumed that the frequent CVG-SEA flights were sustained by business travel between GE Aviation in Cincinnati and Boeing in Seattle.

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50 minutes ago, taestell said:

I always assumed that the frequent CVG-SEA flights were sustained by business travel between GE Aviation in Cincinnati and Boeing in Seattle.

 

Well and now with Prime Air opening at CVG the route is seeing more Amazon employee traffic between the two cities. The AC will be upgraded to A321 due to capacity numbers on route.  

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CVG is announcing service to Seattle via Alaska today. Even with Delta adding larger aircraft Alaska is going after the route as well...

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14 minutes ago, skiwest said:

So both Columbus and Cincinnati will have 3 daily nonstops to Seattle?    

Both will officially have (2) daily flights to Seattle total of (4) nonstops daily. 

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4 hours ago, skiwest said:

So both Columbus and Cincinnati will have 3 daily nonstops to Seattle?    

 

Columbus will have 3 daily during the summer. Alaska is starting a second daily seasonal flight this summer. 

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26 minutes ago, skiwest said:

It will be interesting to see the load factor on those flights.

The delta flight is typically oversold, with them offering cash for Cincinnati folks to take a layover in Detroit or Atlanta. Same goes for the red-eye back to Cincinnati. I think the different time schedule Alaska is offering will be attractive to alot of folks. 

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FYI I flew out of CLE yesterday and 100% of on-property garages and lots are sold out.   Spring break time must be starting.  

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1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

FYI I flew out of CLE yesterday and 100% of on-property garages and lots are sold out.   Spring break time must be starting.  

 

That's interesting--everyone I've talked to (none of which are students) are canceling or holding off on all air travel due to the coronavirus.

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Passenger numbers at CLE surpassed 10 million last year and put CLE in the large airport category.  It is likely the number or passengers will drop below 10 million this year due to the coronavirus panic.  😟

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I fly alot of transatlantic and my pax numbers are pretty healthy...people take reasonable precautions. I remember SARS or whatever it was called. Flying and riding public transport in NYC and other places means ive already been exposed

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Cleveland Hopkins International Airport soon to break ground on expanded center for shuttle and limo service
 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020/03/cleveland-hopkins-international-airport-soon-to-break-ground-on-expanded-center-for-shuttle-and-limo-service.html

 

“CLEVELAND, Ohio – Construction work to replace the much-maligned Ground Transportation Center for shuttle and limo services at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport will begin in the next several weeks.

 

“And the work is expected to be done before the busy Thanksgiving travel season, according to Cleveland’s airport chief, Robert Kennedy.”

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”The new structure will be at the north end of the terminal where a temporary site has been in use for a year. It is just out the door from the baggage claim area on the terminal’s lower level.”

 

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Another temporary patch in our blanket that is an airport....  The City has been doing this for 60 years, which results in this->

 

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Looking forward to that master plan!  

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On the CLE master plan website, I saw this: 

 

"CLE will be scheduling workshops in 2020 where the public will be encouraged to attend. These open format sessions will be an opportunity for gathering additional information and communicating information relative to the Master Plan Study."

 

Last week, I sent an email asking when the first workshop will be scheduled, but I have not yet received a response.  

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1 hour ago, skiwest said:

On the CLE master plan website, I saw this: 

 

"CLE will be scheduling workshops in 2020 where the public will be encouraged to attend. These open format sessions will be an opportunity for gathering additional information and communicating information relative to the Master Plan Study."

 

Last week, I sent an email asking when the first workshop will be scheduled, but I have not yet received a response.  

Can you please share if and when they reply?

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After 10 million passengers at CLE in 2019, the 2020 numbers are going to be much lower. Any guesses as to what the final numbers might be?

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15 hours ago, skiwest said:

After 10 million passengers at CLE in 2019, the 2020 numbers are going to be much lower. Any guesses as to what the final numbers might be?

 

I personally cancelled 8 trips out of CLE in the next 4 weeks as we await to see when gatherings can happen again.   

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5 minutes ago, skiwest said:

I flew back from Denver yesterday. Flight was only about 1/4 full.

 

Just curious, what percentage of passengers were wearing masks?

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2 hours ago, skiwest said:

I only saw a couple passengers wearing masks.

I was on DEN-CLE flight on Friday--same thing only a handful of masks on flight and in airport. 

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Given the air quality inside planes, wearing a mask may always be a good idea

 

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Looking for silver linings, (rather than opportunism)

I wonder if the economic packages the federal government is considering, especially for airlines, might include some money for airport construction projects, like Hopkins.

 

 

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On 3/9/2020 at 9:37 AM, skiwest said:

On the CLE master plan website, I saw this: 

 

"CLE will be scheduling workshops in 2020 where the public will be encouraged to attend. These open format sessions will be an opportunity for gathering additional information and communicating information relative to the Master Plan Study."

 

Last week, I sent an email asking when the first workshop will be scheduled, but I have not yet received a response.  

 

On 3/9/2020 at 10:52 AM, Sapper Daddy said:

Can you please share if and when they reply?

Here is response:

 

Thanks for your message. At this moment we are on hold for any gatherings or pubic workshops. We are currently exploring options to host these in an online format. If we can, we would certainly prefer to hold these in a typical open-house format in the community. How things progress with COVID-19 will be a determining factor.

 

Please check out website periodically for updates. Feel free to send us an email if you have any other questions.

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https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/03/cleveland-hopkins-akron-canton-airports-report-dramatic-drop-off-in-traffic-passengers-take-precautions.html

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"Cleveland Hopkins (CLE): 

At this time, for today [3/25]: there are 102 flight cancellations for Cleveland Hopkins: 52 flights to Cleveland and 50 Cleveland departures."

 

https://www.centerforcleveland.org/covid-19

 

Will certainly hurt CLE's upward trajectory of passengers, especially as the flights that are operating are mostly empty.

 

 

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I have a trip to CLE scheduled in four weeks. At this point I'll be kind of surprised if my flight isn't cancelled. Who knows what the situation will be like by then. 

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3 hours ago, Pugu said:

"Cleveland Hopkins (CLE): 

At this time, for today [3/25]: there are 102 flight cancellations for Cleveland Hopkins: 52 flights to Cleveland and 50 Cleveland departures."

 

https://www.centerforcleveland.org/covid-19

 

Will certainly hurt CLE's upward trajectory of passengers, especially as the flights that are operating are mostly empty.

 

 

It's gonna hurt every airport though.. hopefully will pick up where it left off before this started...

 

I just had a flight into detroit on 3-11 before sh*t fully hit the fan.. when I walked thru the terminal, it was a ghost town

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2 hours ago, surfohio said:

I have a trip to CLE scheduled in four weeks. At this point I'll be kind of surprised if my flight isn't cancelled. Who knows what the situation will be like by then. 

 

I agree that it will likely be cancelled---at least I hope so. The whole country needs to shut down otherwise we'll never get ahead of this. All the states can order quarantines, but only the Federal government can stop the flights (unless the airlines themselves to it). In the BEST CASE SCENARIO, i've heard the peak will be the end of April/early May. But that's only if the country as a whole acts now, but Trump doesn't appear remotely capable.

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"Cleveland Hopkins (CLE): 

 

  • Cancellations today (3/26): there are 133 flight cancellations for Cleveland Hopkins: 72 flights to Cleveland and 61 Cleveland departures.
  • United Airlines is suspending LAX-CLE through the end of April. Currently still on the schedule at 2x daily in May."

https://www.centerforcleveland.org/covid-19

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1 hour ago, Pugu said:

"Cleveland Hopkins (CLE): 

 

You mean they parked 11 planes?


There's nothing wrong with optimism, as long as you don't get your hopes up.

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^No. That means 72 flights from whereever that were destined for CLE today have been cancelled. ALSO, 61 scheduled departures were also cancelled.  yes, the difference between the two numbers is 11, but that doesn't mean anything about where aircraft are.  UA has been storing some planes in CLE--but they're not directly tied to these numbers. DL, AA, B6, WN, Frontier---everyone is cancelling flights all over the country.

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Also posted in the Coronavirus thread.....

 

 

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/04/spirit-airlines-suspending-service-at-cleveland-hopkins-other-airports-for-one-month.html

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5 minutes ago, surfohio said:

 

Hmm, what are the chances I'm getting a refund? 

 

I'm sure they'll want to offer you a credit towards a future flight.  

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